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Talk:Tim Walz

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    Tampon Tim

    The article does nothing to explain the actual meaning of the nickname. It wasn't just that he wanted to supply menstrual supplies to students. It's that they were included in boy's restrooms, on the presumption that boys menstruate. (They don't, for those unaware.) This should be explained in the article as currently it makes the nickname seem mean-spirited and anti-female, implying that the objection was to the free supply to girls, which wasn't the case. Objection was push back to the notion children can change their sex. 2604:3D09:C77:4E00:4DB5:BD3C:4D80:6A60 (talk) 12:58, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Whoever just deleted this is requested to use WP:civility. There is nothing in the archives showing this has been discussed. If so, please link to it.2604:3D09:C77:4E00:4DB5:BD3C:4D80:6A60 (talk) 13:47, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The very article apparently being used as a reference in the article talks about it. Which makes it seem previous editors have either misinterpreted the reason for the nickname, or perhaps just didn't read far enough into the article. This is what it says: https://www.npr.org/2024/08/07/nx-s1-5066878/tim-walz-tampon-law-minnesota
    But Republicans appear to be taking issue with the wording of the legislation, which says the products must be available “to all menstruating students in restrooms regularly used by students.”
    Some Minnesota Republicans initially tried to limit the initiative to female-assigned and gender-neutral bathrooms, but were unsuccessful. Even the author of that amendment ultimately voted for the final version of the bill, saying his family members “felt like it was an important issue I should support.”
    The bill’s inclusive language reflects that not all people who menstruate are women, and not all women get periods, which was important to those who lobbied for the legislation.
    “It will make it more comfortable for everyone … then people can use whatever restroom they want without being worried,” Bramwell Lundquist, then 15, told MPR News last year.
    But some in the Republican Party — which has increasingly promoted anti-transgender policies and rhetoric — see that aspect of the bill as a reason to attack Walz. (emphasis added)198.161.4.108 (talk) 14:49, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The election is over. Can we not post election lies here? This was widely debunked. [1][2][3][4][5][6][7] O3000, Ret. (talk) 15:01, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The news story used as a reference in the article states it flat out. In what way is the reason for the nickname "debunked"? Whether or not it happened, that's how he got the nickname and that context is important. 198.161.4.108 (talk) 15:59, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    And your LA Times article "debunking" it says this: "So why the Tampon Tim uproar? Mostly it is about the language of the Minnesota law, which states that pads and tampons must be available to “all menstruating students” " This is the missing context of the Wikipedia article. Your link: https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2024-08-07/tim-walz-tampon-law-menstrual-products 198.161.4.108 (talk) 16:03, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Read the seven links I provided in their entirety. The law does NOT say tampons must be put in boys rooms. It says nothing about sex changes. It is similar to laws in a couple dozen states, many supported by Republicans. The law was widely supported in the state. O3000, Ret. (talk) 16:09, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The links are irrelevant since what the bill actually said is not the point (thought your links do confirm the wording as "menstruating students" so hardly debunked). We're talking about the context and rationale for the nickname. Regardless of what the bill actually said, the nickname is a reference to the perception that menstrual products were being made available in boy's spaces. The article at present paints those giving the nickname unfairly.198.161.4.108 (talk) 16:13, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    In fact, the CNN article you cite actually states that tampons may have been available in male multi-stall bathrooms.198.161.4.108 (talk) 16:15, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Trump stated: “He signed a bill that boys’ bathrooms — all boys’ bathrooms in Minnesota — will have tampons.” Ridiculous lie. The CNN article states: "All 15 of the districts that responded Friday to a CNN survey of 25 districts, including the Minneapolis and St. Paul districts in the state’s two most populous cities, said they comply with the law without providing tampons in traditional boys’ bathrooms." O3000, Ret. (talk) 16:23, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I never mentioned Trump. The NPR article used as a reference is the one to state the rationale. Again, it doesn't matter what Trump said - we're talking about the origin of the nickname, and the fact that it is misrepresented in the article as currently written.2604:3D09:C77:4E00:D50:7F7E:3311:14BA (talk) 00:02, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    No, according to reliable sources it was misrepresented by Trump. The article states what reliable sources state. O3000, Ret. (talk) 11:26, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Trump had it right. The law as written deliberately mentioned "menstruating students" instead of the word "girls" because of the agenda it was promoting. And Walz got called Tampon Tim because of that, not the fact that the products were free.198.161.4.108 (talk) 16:52, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That there was some such "agenda" is your opinion, and a mighty unlikely one at that. We don't use our opinions WP:OR. We use WP:RS. O3000, Ret. (talk) 17:12, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Error on deployment date of 1/125

    The Minnesota National Guard confirmed that Walz retired two months before his former unit was notified on July 14 of its potential deployment to Iraq. That unit received its mobilization order in August and deployed to Iraq in March 2006, ten months after Walz retired.

    The above dates are NOT correct! Our units deployed in 2005 Sept NOT 2006. We were on Active Duty training from Sept 2005 to March 2006. Then the unit went to Iraq in March 2006 but we were on active duty as of Sept 2005 when we went to Mississippi for training. We were placed on Stop Loss before he retired, when we were notified in March 2005! By 2005 July 15 we were notified on where we were going and were in the process of getting our TA-50 in order to deploy in Sept. So no, we did NOT deploy 10 months after he retired, we deployed FOUR (4) months after he retired!

    In fact, to try and off-set the outrage by soldiers in our units, because of his retirement, they gave us an option. If you deployed to Italy in 2003 and you are to retire in 2005-2006 or have an ETS date in 2005-2006 during the deployment, you could opt out, however, you had to remain in the unit, back in the states, until the deployment was over.

    So there is a ton of inaccurate information in this article in just that one little section. I served with Tim Walz, I was in 1/125 FA SVC BTY in St. Peter where he was in HQ in New Ulm. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jaker1976 (talkcontribs) 05:15, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    If this is correct, then I'd suggest looking up articles on your unit's deployment to provide conclusive evidence for the dating. You can usually find news articles online from that time that record this stuff. Ozone742 (talk) 23:01, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 12 November 2024

    Change Command Sargent Major to Master Sargent. Highest grade attained by Timothy Walz as per his official military 201 and finance records is E-8: aka Master Sargent. 152.117.114.53 (talk) 12:05, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 13 November 2024

    Change rank from Command Sergeant Major to Master Sergeant. Tim Walz failed to complete all requirements to keep the rank of Command Sergeant Major therefore he was demoted to Master Sergeant after retirement. 2600:1014:A000:C3A7:9438:9E38:32C0:C7F2 (talk) 05:27, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

     Not done: See the previous discussions EvergreenFir (talk) 05:44, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Portrait?

    Is there an official portrait that we can use for the info box? Pikachubob3 (talk) 02:46, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]