Good morning,

I'm new with Wikipedia and would like some help with the soft delete of this page. Sorry if it took months before I reached out but It took a while for me to realize that we had trouble with the page. Could you help me in understand the exact reason behind the deletion?

The following reasons were written in the talk page of the article -

As near as I can tell, this person has no great significance other than being the "first of his name", i.e. someone who has a lot of descendents. I don't even know for sure if he was a farmer, or just someone who owned land. The provided references seem to indicate that the only research done into this individual was done by his family members; any non-relations giving reference are from primary documents directly connected to the subject. I will admit that I make this AFD after taking a hatchet to the article (see Special:Permalink/1222951438 for the previous version) but there is no usable content in the older version either (most of it is editorialising, OR, or speculation). Primefac (talk) 15:24, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Delete: A family biography project is not suitable for wikipedia. Interesting local history, but not meeting inclusion criteria here. Oaktree b (talk) 15:47, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

I'm writing this on behalf of a friend who did all the research about Jean Houymet and all his descendants. If the main issue is that Jean Houymet is not an important figure, we have found that many famous people are related to this Jean Houymet, the most famous one being Francis Desales Ouimet, the father of amateur golf in the USA https://en.wikipedia.org/key/Francis_Ouimet

Here's a list of other famous people that are descendants of this Jean Houymet André OUIMET https://fr.wikisource.org/key/Les_Patriotes_de_1837-1838/29 Antoine OUILMETTE https://en.wikipedia.org/key/Antoine_Ouilmette Danielle OUIMET https://fr.wikipedia.org/key/Danielle_Ouimet David OUIMET https://en.wikipedia.org/key/David_Ouimet Francis DeSales OUIMET https://en.wikipedia.org/key/Francis_Ouimet François OUIMET https://en.wikipedia.org/key/Fran%C3%A7ois_Ouimet Gédéon OUIMET https://en.wikipedia.org/key/G%C3%A9d%C3%A9on_Ouimet Gérard OUIMETTE https://en.wikipedia.org/key/Gerard_Ouimette J. Aldéric OUIMET https://fr.wikipedia.org/key/Joseph-Ald%C3%A9ric_Ouimet J. Alphonse OUIMET https://en.wikipedia.org/key/Alphonse_Ouimet J. Rodolphe OUIMET https://en.wikipedia.org/key/Joseph-Rodolphe_Ouimet Jean OUIMET https://en.wikipedia.org/key/Jean_Ouimet Joseph-Aldric OUIMET https://en.wikipedia.org/key/Joseph-Aldric_Ouimet Karl OUIMETTE https://en.wikipedia.org/key/Karl_Ouimette Léo-Ernest OUIMET https://en.wikipedia.org/key/L%C3%A9o-Ernest_Ouimet Lise OUIMETTE-PAYETTE https://en.wikipedia.org/key/Lise_Payette Marie-Josée GIBEAU-OUIMET https://en.wikipedia.org/key/Marie-Jos%C3%A9e_Gilbeau-Ouimet Matt OUIMET https://en.wikipedia.org/key/Matt_Ouimet Stephen OUIMET https://en.wikipedia.org/key/Stephen_Ouimette Steve OUIMETTE https://en.wikipedia.org/key/Steve_Ouimette

I think it would be interesting to keep this Jean Houymet page and link it to all these famous people.

I do have to agree that a family biography project is not suitable for Wikipedia. If we rewrite this article in a more encyclopedic way and link it to all these famous Ouimet, would it be something accepted by Wikipedia?

Please get back to me on what's the best way to un-delete this page and modify it ton a Wikipedia worthy article. Thank you very much for the help you will give me,

Pierre-Alexandre Planglois012 (talk) 14:17, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We have a phrase on Wikipedia called "notability is not inherited", which basically means that being related or otherwise connected to a notable individual does not make that original individual notable themselves (see also WP:INHERITED and WP:INVALIDBIO). You state If the main issue is that Jean Houymet is not an important figure... - yes, that is the main issue. I think it would be interesting to keep this Jean Houymet page is also not a valid argument to make for keeping an article on Wikipedia.

The long and the short of it, as I said in the original nomination, is that if the only people who have done any extensive research into the individual are his family members during the course of a genealogy project, he will not meet our requirements for inclusion, no matter how many bluelinked/notable relations he has on Wikipedia. It's not about linking to other Wikipedia articles, it is about linking to reliable, independent sources that talk about the subject. Primefac (talk) 14:53, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for getting back to me quickly with this. I forgot to subscribe to my message and never saw your reply.

I will consult with the writer of this article but unfortunately, I think this is the end of Jean Houymet on Wikipiédia.

Thanks again,

PA Planglois012 (talk) 10:02, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You could possibly have an article about the Ouimet family, but you'd need sources discussing the family as a whole first to establish the notability of the family Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 11:01, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

P, I understand there's a better tool to compare editor interactions and/or similarities, available only to CUs (admins?). Do you know if using that requires probable cause like CU does? — Usedtobecool ☎️ 02:48, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Better than what? Not being snarky, just trying to figure out where your baseline is sitting. Personally I find the Editor Interaction Analyser to be quite useful. Primefac (talk) 10:32, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, no worries at all. Better than that interaction analyser, yeah. Some years ago, I'd come across another tool, perhaps cos it was being developed then, which could be used to compare actual content of the contributions, check stylistic similarities and such. To the best of my knowledge, no such thing is available publicly, but I remember reading about something like that recently, apparently in use among functionaries. I just can't remember at this moment where I read that. So, wondering if you know. Best, — Usedtobecool ☎️ 16:24, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think @Usedtobecool might be talking about Masz which Moneytrees references here at an ANI discussion in his response to Star Mississippi. I had never heard of it until then. S0091 (talk) 16:30, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, masz. At the moment it is (as far as I am aware) only available to CUs, but it does not require quite as much probable cause as running an IP check. Primefac (talk) 16:57, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

S0091, wow, yup, that's it. I guess I didn't take in any beyond thinking, "hey, I'd heard of that thing before". Thanks! — Usedtobecool ☎️ 02:41, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Primefac, I have a case that I have good reasons to want checked sooner rather than later, but of course not enough for an SPI. I'll mail you the details if you'd be interested. I don't expect to be told the results; I'd feel better just knowing it's been checked. — Usedtobecool ☎️ 03:54, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Primefac. Thanks for your work approving AIV helperbot14. I was just wondering whether you perhaps intended to also add the bot flag? -- zzuuzz 16:16, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Whoops! Thanks not sure why I thought it had the flag already. Primefac (talk) 16:56, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Primefac, I hope you are doing well. I have a question about an automated tool. Is the tool at [1] compliant with enwiki policies? It allows anyone to make replacements and carry out other automated tasks. This tool uses its operator’s main account to edit pages and we can’t check who is actually making the edits. I have tested it here. – DreamRimmer (talk) 17:28, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Discospinster, you'll probably be interested in this conversation, given your conversation with that tool's creator two weeks ago. Zinnober9 (talk) 20:53, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jesus fuck. Absolutely not a good thing. Primefac (talk) 22:15, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

DreamRimmer, can I just check that you made Special:Diff/1237001770? Primefac (talk) 22:21, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Some tools are available for MdWiki and others, like fixing references, infoboxes, and translations, for Wikimedia wikis. These tools don’t require login authentication, making it impossible to track who made a particular edit. – DreamRimmer (talk) 04:00, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

+1 here, I used the tools after DR showed them to me, [2] and [3] were caused by me. Sohom (talk) 16:01, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ooft. Blocked. Thanks. Primefac (talk) 16:12, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't know that it allowed others to edit under a different account, or I wouldn't have unblocked it! ... discospinster _talk 17:14, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, this is no longer work in enwiki. And in other wikis it will use OAuth and the edits will be under who ever use it username. Mr. Ibrahem (talk) 02:37, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, we would like to remind you not to attack yourself, as you did on WT:AutoWikiBrowser/Tasks. Please comment on the contributions and not yourself. If you make any further self-attacks you may have to report yourself to yourself, which may result in a self-block. Thank you. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 17:22, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Primefac,

Would you mind checking out Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/RichardHornsby again if you have the time? You performed a check a few days ago but there have been more added since. I'm wondering if checks on these accounts could find others.

Thanks, C F A 💬 21:52, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

When I have time. Primefac (talk) 22:46, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for maintaining this page. My request is that you add the FORMS (Kata) winners to the grid as shown in the original source from Black Belt Magazine (May 1978). The original source lists the following:

Gary Tsutsui, a 31-year-old photographer from Irvine, California, placed third in forms competition for the United States. He scored 25.6 to Keiji Okada, who won the forms title for Japan. Second place went to Japan's Hiromasa Miyomo.

Can you add a forms section to the page as this was a major accomplishment by a US athlete. 2601:282:1880:5BC0:58AB:E98C:7847:1A7D (talk) 19:12, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Are you referring to 1977 World Karate Championships? If so, I have never edited that page; you might want to put in an edit request on the article's talk page. Primefac (talk) 19:42, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Per [4], should HooptyBot officially be given the bot flag? It never actually got one. jp×g🗯️ 18:13, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Given that it's only working on a single set of subpages it didn't need it. Primefac (talk) 19:42, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I see you reverted my change to remove the reference to exotic animals/pets from the introduction on Alveus Sanctuary. I'm a bit confused by why this was done? Many of the ambassadors listed on the Alveus site do not appear to be exotic, for example multiple chickens and a cow. Additionally, the text linked out to the Exotic pet article, which I don't think is particularly correct either, as the animals are ambassadors not pets (many would be illegal as pets)? MattIPv4 (talk) 15:29, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If they are not entirely exotics, then by all means we can reword the sentence. Primefac (talk) 15:51, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hey, you declined my histmerge request for Benjamin Ryan (keyboardist) to gain the history from Benjamin Ryan after I changed the latter's redirect target. You mentioned no copy/paste page move, but there effectively is — I copied the contents of Benjamin Ryan (previously a redirect to Cradle of Filth) and pasted them into Benjamin Ryan (keyboardist) and then changed the redirect target to the more-specific List of Cradle of Filth members.

More importantly, though, the page history of Benjamin Ryan contains 36 revisions that were a biography of the keyboardist, before Animalparty changed it to a redirect. That is the history that needs merging into the new redirect at Benjamin Ryan (keyboardist), otherwise that biography article is lost in the history of a hndis redirect.

Can you take another look, please? Thanks! — OwenBlacker (he/him; Talk) 17:11, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think you are mistaken. Benjamin Ryan (keyboardist) shows exactly three edits: you making the page as a redirect, you asking for the histmerge, and me declining that histmerge. There is no copied history at that page.

As far as Benjamin Ryan goes, I think it is not unreasonable to redirect it back to the list of band members, since he is the only "Benjamin" listed at Ben Ryan (meaning that there is a natural/spelling disambiguation). Primefac (talk) 19:12, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You've got my intention the wrong way round. Benjamin Ryan has the history; that is the histmerge source. Benjamin Ryan (keyboardist) is the redirect I created as effectively a copy/paste move; that is the histmerge destination.

I deliberately removed the spelling-only disambiguation, because there are other people called Benjamin Ryan who could be notable — not least a prominent queer journalist for whom we do not currently have a biography. In any case, given most of the people at Ben Ryan are shortened names from Benjamin, relying on that distinction for the keyboardist, especially when some sources refer to him as Ben.

What I'm asking for is for the history of the erstwhile argument about the keyboardist to be connected with the new redirect I created (a more specific article title that could become a future article about him) rather than it continuing to sit with the spelling-varation redirect to the hndis.

Does that make sense? — OwenBlacker (he/him; Talk) 22:17, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's kind of my point. It's not a copy/paste pagemove, so there is no attribution to save and thus no reason for a histmerge. If you want the history of the un-dabbed redirect to be at the dabbed redirect, then {{db-g7}} the dabbed redirect and move the un-dabbed redirect yourself (or actually, use {{db-move}} since that will save a step). Feel free to point to this discussion to show that I don't consider my edit there to invalidate the G7. Primefac (talk) 00:08, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I still don't agree, but the G7 will fix the issue the same way, so there's no value in me continuing to argue the toss 😅 Thanks! — OwenBlacker (he/him; Talk) 10:45, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

All done. Thank you! — OwenBlacker (he/him; Talk) 11:11, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, you were the person who granted my request for AWB permissions back in March of this year and I've used it as I said I would to add champion templates to the bottom of results pages for sporting events. However when logging in today I'm getting a permission error that says "This user doesn't have enough privilleges to make automatic edits on this wiki." I'm still on the check page for having permissions and I don't believe I broke any of the rules so I'm slightly confused. The only thing that it could be is the speed at which I was making edits. Otherwise I'm at a loss as to why I'm getting this error so if you're able to clear that up for me or point me in the direction of something that could it would be greatly appreciated. Brandon Downes (talk) 15:43, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It sounds like you are attempting to make fully-automated (e.g. "bot") edits, which you are not able to do as your account is (obviously) not a bot. Usually the bot menu is not available to non-bot users, though, so that's a bit odd, but I would check to make sure you are not trying to auto-save with any of your settings. Primefac (talk) 15:45, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I was using it 12 hours ago no problem and after that my PC has been off and nothing has been changed in the settings. So I'm at a loss to be honest. Brandon Downes (talk) 15:59, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, fair enough. Might be worth raising the issue at Wikipedia talk:AutoWikiBrowser. Primefac (talk) 16:00, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Will do, thank you for your help anyways Brandon Downes (talk) 16:05, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thought you may want an update it's not just an error for me a few people are having the same problem so it looks to be an error on the AWB end and not the fault of users. Brandon Downes (talk) 16:24, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I saw that, on the one hand it's good to know it's not just a "you" issue, though unfortunate that it's happening across the board. On the plus side, posting has raised the issue so it can get looked at. Net positive I guess. Primefac (talk) 17:11, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]