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Typhoon Thelma

... that 1977's Typhoon Thelma was the most destructive event in Taiwan since World War II?

This just seems to be one person's opinion and that's not definite enough for a superlative claim. Consider the 1964 Baihe earthquake, for example. That had more fatalities and thousands of buildings were destroyed, not just damaged. And there have been more natural disasters since 1977 so the opinion is dated. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:29, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Anywhere else on WP we'd expect WP:INTEXT attribution, but DYK I guess allows using a WP:WEASEL word or at least quoting the opinion. Anything but in WP voice. —Bagumba (talk) 09:17, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Tavantius, Oldelpaso, Hilst, and Crisco 1492: Courtesy ping to hook participants.—Bagumba (talk) 09:40, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In the citation, I'm not sure how the text file relates to the pdf link. The relevant quote ("Thelma, the second typhoon of the 1977 season, brought more destruction on Taiwan than any event since World War II.") only seems to be in the text file.—Bagumba (talk) 09:43, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The PDF URL is erroneous as it's the 1991 report not the 1977 report as the citation claims. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:06, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A quick search gave me the actual source of the text file, this 1980 NASA report. The relevant quote can be found on page 173. – 🌻 Hilst (talk | contribs) 11:26, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's page 6.5-1 using the doc's internal numbering system. The confusing part is the WP article says the quote is from "a member of the Joint Typhoon Warning Center". Is it one person's opinion, or does it represent the organization as a whole? If the latter, is the hook OK in WP:WIKIVOICE. The complexity is that the hook is a paraphrase of what's in the source, so it's not as simple as the usual hook trick of just adding quotes. —Bagumba (talk) 11:40, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wait wait, I was wrong. Here is the actual 1977 report, with the World War II comment on page 29 (22 on internal numbering system). As far as I can tell, it doesn't say who wrote what bit, but the foreword does say that it is "prepared by the staff of the Joint Typhoon Warning Center (JTWC)", which leads me to believe that the quote does represent the opinion of the entire organization. I'll update the article to fix the citations. – 🌻 Hilst (talk | contribs) 13:33, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's sounding as if the WP article should strike "a member of" from the lead and body, i.e. ... prompting a member of the Joint Typhoon Warning Center to state ... Then it's a matter of whether the agency's statement can be reasonably contested and whether the hook should be in WP's voice or not. —Bagumba (talk) 14:45, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Don Bragg

• ... that the Korean War allowed Don Bragg to set a UCLA basketball record for the most rebounds by a varsity freshman, which stood for almost 40 years?

This fact is not given in the article and is SYNTH. If you look at the nomination, source one says that due to the Korean War freshmen could play varsity sports and source two says Bragg's 1952 rebound record was broken in 1989. The causation presented here is completely OR. Vladimir.copic (talk) 13:26, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• In addition, this blurb is incomprehensible to anyone unfamiliar with college basketball. At minimum, please link 'rebounds' to rebound (basketball) and link 'varsity freshman' to an article that explains that term (I couldn't find one). Modest Genius 13:58, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I’ve taken care of wikilinking Rebound (basketball). Schwede66 14:32, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I'm ambivalent. On the one hand, some DYK copyeditors routinely remove links as "the details are in the bold link" (and entices a click), while at ERRORS complaints are that links should all be in the hook.—Bagumba (talk) 14:33, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Freshman refers to a student in their first year at college (university), while the varsity team is an institution's top sports tier. In those days, freshman were not allowed on the varsity basketball team, but an exception was made for the Korean War. —Bagumba (talk) 16:16, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

FWIW, "source one" explains the Korean War exception specifically w.r.t. Bragg. Still, DYK hooks are routinely sourced from multiple sources, where the entire hook is not explictly stated in one source. This higher bar for DYK "OR" would need wider consensus.—Bagumba (talk) 14:29, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Q1, 2nd hook "Ojców, a 1897 Polish adventure and travel novel" - pls tweak to 'an' 1897 JennyOz (talk) 06:47, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

   Fixed – Schwede66 07:56, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the lyrics of Gigi Perez's "Sailor Song" were criticized by far-right conservative Christian communities?

Two sources describing the critics. The Official Chart Company uses that language "Given its central queer love story, the release of Sailor Song drew criticism from some far-right, conservative Christian groups online for the line "I don't believe in God, but you're my saviour." [1] but Billboard says the critics were "religious tiktokers" [2]. I don't think objecting to that quote makes you far right, and isn't this really plagiarism? It's certainly a quote. Secretlondon (talk) 14:34, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Launchballer, Mrfoogles, MaranoFan, AirshipJungleman29, and Crisco 1492: Courtesy notifiction to nom participants. —Bagumba (talk) 16:08, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think that while not all religious tiktokers are far-right, some certainly are. Objecting to someone essentially just saying they're an atheist is somewhat questionable, in my opinion. I agree with the other on the copyright basis and I think that the source is reliable for this on the factual basis. Mrfoogles (talk) 17:06, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Per WP:LIMITED, I wouldn't regard this as plagiarism. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:13, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Precisely. I can't readily think of a ready way to express the concept succinctly without using those words, at least without changing the meaning.  — Chris Woodrich (talk) 16:17, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What they both said.--Launchballer 16:28, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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