Wikipedia:Redirects For Discussion
- If you want to replace an unprotected redirect with an article, do not list it here. Turning redirects into articles is wholly encouraged. Be bold!
- If you want to move a page but a redirect is in the way, do not list it here. For non-controversial cases, place a technical request; if a discussion is required, then start a requested move.
- If you think a redirect points to the wrong target article, this is a good place to discuss the proper target.
- Redirects should not be deleted just because they have no incoming links. Please do not use this as the only reason to delete a redirect. However, redirects that do have incoming links are sometimes deleted, so that is not a sufficient condition for keeping. (See § When should we delete a redirect? for more information.)
Please do not unilaterally rename or change the target of a redirect while it is under discussion. This adds unnecessary complication to the discussion for participants and closers.
Before listing a redirect for discussion
Please be aware of these general policies, which apply here as elsewhere:
- Wikipedia:Redirect – what redirects are, why they exist, and how they are used.
- Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion – which pages can be deleted without discussion; in particular the "General" and "Redirects" sections.
- Wikipedia:Deletion policy – how we delete things by consensus.
- Wikipedia:Guide to deletion – guidelines on discussion format and shorthand.
The guiding principles of RfD
- The purpose of a good redirect is to eliminate the possibility that readers will find themselves staring blankly at "Search results 1–10 out of 378" instead of the article they were looking for. If someone could plausibly enter the redirect's name when searching for the target article, it's a good redirect.
- Redirects are cheap. They take up little storage space and use very little bandwidth. It doesn't really hurt things if there are a few of them scattered around. On the flip side, deleting redirects is also cheap because recording the deletion takes up little storage space and uses very little bandwidth. There is no harm in deleting problematic redirects.
- If a good-faith RfD nomination proposes to delete a redirect and has no discussion after at least 7 days, the default result is delete.
- Redirects nominated in contravention of Wikipedia:Redirect will be speedily kept.
- RfD can also serve as a central discussion forum for debates about which page a redirect should target. In cases where retargeting the redirect could be considered controversial, it is advisable to leave a notice on the talk page of the redirect's current target page or the proposed target page to refer readers to the redirect's nomination to allow input and help form consensus for the redirect's target.
- Requests for deletion of redirects from one page's talk page to another's do not need to be listed here. Anyone can remove the redirect by blanking the page. The G6 criterion for speedy deletion may be appropriate.
- In discussions, always ask yourself whether or not a redirect would be helpful to the reader.
When should we delete a redirect?
This page is transcluded from Wikipedia:Redirect/Deletion reasons. (edit | history) |
The major reasons why deletion of redirects is harmful are:
- a redirect may contain non-trivial edit history;
- if a redirect is reasonably old (or is the result of moving a page that has been there for quite some time), then it is possible that its deletion will break incoming links (such links coming from older revisions of Wikipedia pages, from edit summaries, from other Wikimedia projects or from elsewhere on the internet, do not show up in "What links here").
Therefore consider the deletion only of either harmful redirects or of recent ones.
Reasons for deleting
You might want to delete a redirect if one or more of the following conditions is met (but note also the exceptions listed below this list):
- The redirect page makes it unreasonably difficult for users to locate similarly named articles via the search engine. For example, if the user searches for "New Articles", and is redirected to a disambiguation page for "Articles", it would take much longer to get to the newly added articles on Wikipedia.
- The redirect might cause confusion. For example, if "Adam B. Smith" was redirected to "Andrew B. Smith", because Andrew was accidentally called Adam in one source, this could cause confusion with the article on Adam Smith, so the redirect should be deleted.
- The redirect is offensive or abusive, such as redirecting "Joe Bloggs is a Loser" to "Joe Bloggs" (unless "Joe Bloggs is a Loser" is legitimately discussed in the article), or "Joe Bloggs" to "Loser". (Speedy deletion criterion G10 and G3 may apply.) See also § Neutrality of redirects.
- The redirect constitutes self-promotion or spam. (Speedy deletion criterion G11 may apply.)
- The redirect makes no sense, such as redirecting "Apple" to "Orange". (Speedy deletion criterion G1 may apply.)
- It is a cross-namespace redirect out of article space, such as one pointing into the User or Wikipedia namespace. The major exception to this rule are the pseudo-namespace shortcut redirects, which technically are in the main article space. Some long-standing cross-namespace redirects are also kept because of their long-standing history and potential usefulness. "MOS:" redirects, for example, are an exception to this rule. (Note also the existence of namespace aliases such as WP:. Speedy deletion criterion R2 may apply if the target namespace is something other than Category:, Template:, Wikipedia:, Help:, or Portal:.)
- If the redirect is broken, meaning it redirects to an article that does not exist, it can be immediately deleted under speedy deletion criterion G8. You should check that there is not an alternative place it could be appropriately redirected to first and that it has not become broken through vandalism.
- If the redirect is a novel or very obscure synonym for an article name that is not mentioned in the target, it is unlikely to be useful. In particular, redirects in a language other than English to a page whose subject is unrelated to that language (or a culture that speaks that language) should generally not be created. (Implausible typos or misnomers are candidates for speedy deletion criterion R3, if recently created.)
- If the target article needs to be moved to the redirect title, but the redirect has been edited before and has a history of its own, then the title needs to be freed up to make way for the move. If the move is uncontroversial, tag the redirect for G6 speedy deletion, or alternatively (with the
suppressredirect
user right; available to page movers and admins), perform a round-robin move. If not, take the article to Requested moves. - If the redirect could plausibly be expanded into an article, and the target article contains virtually no information on the subject.
Reasons for not deleting
However, avoid deleting such redirects if:
- They have a potentially useful page history, or an edit history that should be kept to comply with the licensing requirements for a merge (see Wikipedia:Merge and delete). On the other hand, if the redirect was created by renaming a page with that name, and the page history just mentions the renaming, and for one of the reasons above you want to delete the page, copy the page history to the Talk page of the article it redirects to. The act of renaming is useful page history, and even more so if there has been discussion on the page name.
- They would aid accidental linking and make the creation of duplicate articles less likely, whether by redirecting a plural to a singular, by redirecting a frequent misspelling to a correct spelling, by redirecting a misnomer to a correct term, by redirecting to a synonym, etc. In other words, redirects with no incoming links are not candidates for deletion on those grounds because they are of benefit to the browsing user. Some extra vigilance by editors will be required to minimize the occurrence of those frequent misspellings in article text because the linkified misspellings will not appear as broken links; consider tagging the redirect with the {{R from misspelling}} template to assist editors in monitoring these misspellings.
- They aid searches on certain terms. For example, users who might see the "Keystone State" mentioned somewhere but do not know what that refers to will be able to find out at the Pennsylvania (target) article.
- Deleting redirects runs the risk of breaking incoming or internal links. For example, redirects resulting from page moves should not normally be deleted without good reason. Links that have existed for a significant length of time, including CamelCase links (e.g. WolVes) and old subpage links, should be left alone in case there are any existing links on external pages pointing to them. See also Wikipedia:Link rot § Link rot on non-Wikimedia sites.
- Someone finds them useful. Hint: If someone says they find a redirect useful, they probably do. You might not find it useful—this is not because the other person is being untruthful, but because you browse Wikipedia in different ways. Evidence of usage can be gauged by using the wikishark or pageviews tool on the redirect to see the number of views it gets.
- The redirect is to a closely related word form, such as a plural form to a singular form.
Neutrality of redirects
Just as article titles using non-neutral language are permitted in some circumstances, so are such redirects. Because redirects are less visible to readers, more latitude is allowed in their names, therefore perceived lack of neutrality in redirect names is not a sufficient reason for their deletion. In most cases, non-neutral but verifiable redirects should point to neutrally titled articles about the subject of the term. Non-neutral redirects may be tagged with {{R from non-neutral name}}
.
Non-neutral redirects are commonly created for three reasons:
- Articles that are created using non-neutral titles are routinely moved to a new neutral title, which leaves behind the old non-neutral title as a working redirect (e.g. Climategate → Climatic Research Unit email controversy).
- Articles created as POV forks may be deleted and replaced by a redirect pointing towards the article from which the fork originated (e.g. Barack Obama Muslim rumor → deleted and now redirected to Barack Obama religion conspiracy theories).
- The subject matter of articles may be represented by some sources outside Wikipedia in non-neutral terms. Such terms are generally avoided in Wikipedia article titles, per the words to avoid guidelines and the general neutral point of view policy. For instance the non-neutral expression "Attorneygate" is used to redirect to the neutrally titled Dismissal of U.S. attorneys controversy. The article in question has never used that title, but the redirect was created to provide an alternative means of reaching it because a number of press reports use the term.
The exceptions to this rule would be redirects that are not established terms and are unlikely to be useful, and therefore may be nominated for deletion, perhaps under deletion reason #3. However, if a redirect represents an established term that is used in multiple mainstream reliable sources, it should be kept even if non-neutral, as it will facilitate searches on such terms. Please keep in mind that RfD is not the place to resolve most editorial disputes.
Closing notes
- Details at Administrator instructions for RfD
Nominations should remain open, per policy, about a week before they are closed, unless they meet the general criteria for speedy deletion, the criteria for speedy deletion of a redirect, or are not valid redirect discussion requests (e.g. are actually move requests).
How to list a redirect for discussion
STEP I. | Tag the redirect(s).
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STEP II. | List the entry on RfD.
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STEP III. | Notify users.
It is generally considered good practice to notify the creator and main contributors of the redirect(s) that you nominate. may be placed on the creator/main contributors' user talk page to provide notice of the discussion. Please replace RedirectName with the name of the respective creator/main contributors' redirect and use an edit summary such as: Notice of redirect discussion at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion]]
Notices about the RfD discussion may also be left on relevant talk pages. |
- Please consider using What links here to locate other redirects that may be related to the one you are nominating. After going to the redirect target page and selecting "What links here" in the toolbox on the left side of your computer screen, select both "Hide transclusions" and "Hide links" filters to display the redirects to the redirect target page.
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Current list
2001 incident
- 2001 incident → September 11 attacks (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Is this really the most appropriate target? 2001 lists a number of incidents, and Google results don't suggest this term is generally intended to refer to the terror attacks. 78.149.135.163 (talk) 19:26, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as impossibly vague. The September 11 attacks don't appear in the first 20 Google hits for me, but about 15 other incidents do including Death of Stuart Lubbock, something related to R. Kelly sexual abuse cases, something at Dreamworld (Australia), an incident at a high school in Edmonton, a chemical incident in Augusta, Georgia, 2001 Humber Refinery explosion, Toulouse chemical factory explosion, a US aircraft making an emergency landing in China, and a customer finding a fingernail in their food at a fast food restaurant. Thryduulf (talk) 19:56, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
Canada. Dept. of National Defence
- Canada. Dept. of National Defence → Department of National Defence (Canada) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
As WP:UNNATURAL. This is not a useful redirect with a period after the country name, as it's not actually shortening anything. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:36, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- keep Anything published by them uses that name.[[1] Cladeal832 (talk) 19:08, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Cladeal832. Their links aren't working for me, but [2], [3] (see ref 7 on PDF page 4), [4], [5] and [6] all demonstrate this name in use. Thryduulf (talk) 20:01, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
"Loss"
thank chernobog those aren't apostrophes. on a less important note, is this unnatural enough to warrant deletion, and if it's not, should it be retargeted to loss? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 17:50, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep normally I'd support deleting these per WP:PANDORA but the article suggests that the term with quotes is common so seems sensible enough to keep on its own merits. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:33, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
Series of
Hands-On Museum
- Hands-On Museum → Ann Arbor Hands-On Museum (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Delete or disambig - quick google search found at least three other museums referred to this way, the Ann Arbor one doesn't seem to be clearly the primary topic. I don't believe we have articles for most of the others. Rusalkii (talk) 17:38, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Create a Set index at List of hands-on and interactive museums or some similar title (the terms are interchangeable) until we have content about the type of museum. Thryduulf (talk) 20:12, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
Hard Cast
results seem torn between hard cast bullets, orthopedic casts, and ptms for movies with "hard" in their titles cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 17:38, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
Kingdom Hearts DS
- Kingdom Hearts DS → Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Could be confused with Kingdom Hearts Re:coded. (Oinkers42) (talk) 17:37, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- okay i believe you. retarget to kingdom hearts#games cogsan (quack) (ES LEBE DEUTSCHLAND) 17:42, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
DJ Silly Boy
- DJ Silly Boy → Steve Wright (DJ) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Nickname not mentioned in target. Rusalkii (talk) 17:34, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep and add mention. Seems to be a pretty common nickname that was also used by Wright: [7] [8] (for [9] and [10] (I can't easily listen to the program to confirm that JD Silly Boy refers to Wright but it appears to). I hope to do another pass to find a source perhaps a bit better than MyLondon and add it to the article but seems common enough on forums (and I can't find any one else it refers to who has a wikipedia article) and such to keep regardless. Skynxnex (talk) 18:55, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Skynxnex: Is MyLondon really so bad as to be unsuitable for this fairly uncontroversial addition? It isn't a source I've ever given much thought to. Couldn't find any mention of it in the archives of WP:RSN. 78.149.135.163 (talk) 20:39, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- I really don't know! It feels like a bit like a (traditional) tabloid so figured I'd let it sit a bit in case there's other thoughts/better source is found. Skynxnex (talk) 20:44, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Fair enough. While I was considering just adding it, I can get behind the notion of giving it a few days for obhections and/or anything better to surface. 78.149.135.163 (talk) 20:53, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- I really don't know! It feels like a bit like a (traditional) tabloid so figured I'd let it sit a bit in case there's other thoughts/better source is found. Skynxnex (talk) 20:44, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
Bulleted
weird case. normally, a redirect like this would be fine and dandy, as is the case with venous and depressed, but "bulleted" refers to either bullet points or... going really fast. opinions? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 17:33, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget, primary topic of a quick search seems to overwhelming be bullet points. Rusalkii (talk) 17:44, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to bullet (typography): I've never heard of it as shooting someone ("aimed the gun and bulleted the target") or for going fast ("bulleted out the door"). I have heard of it as using bullet points ("made a bulleted list"). 78.149.135.163 (talk) 20:12, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
Jumbo jet(747)
Etelis coruscans
- Etelis coruscans → Etelis#Taxonomy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Per the Rcat template: "Note that the practice of creating redirects from species names that could be articles is strongly discouraged." UtherSRG (talk) 16:51, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
Brazilian and Portuguese varieties
- Brazilian and Portuguese varieties → Brazilian Portuguese (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
is this vague? as far as i understand, it could be referring to any type of "variety" of anything that could be considered "brazilian" or "portuguese" cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 14:53, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
AN/PSG-2
- AN/PSG-2 → Gun data computer#Systems (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The redirect AN/PSG-2 targets an article that does not even mention the PSG-2. The redirect is much more confusing than useful and should be deleted. — TadgStirkland (Tadg) 12:39, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
Weekend Trip
- Weekend Trip → List of TV5 (Philippine TV network) original programming (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Weekend trip → Tourism (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned in target. Ambiguous title. ToadetteEdit (talk) 12:05, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I've added Weekend trip to this discussion, which points to a completely different article that also doesn't mention the phrase, although it is clearly related. In terms of articles that do mention the phrase, almost all are NOTTRAVELGUIDE violations or passing mentions in plot summaries. Thryduulf (talk) 15:46, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I'd call this a weekend away which doesn't exist, but Weekend Away does (and targets an article on a film). Depending on if a viable target for the others can be found this too may need thought about. If no target for the first two can be found then I suppose they will be deleted and nothing changes for Weekend Away. 78.149.135.163 (talk) 19:55, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep both With capitals, this is the name of the weekend primetime programming block for TV5 (see playlist on the channel's Youtube). Without capitals, it's a common form of tourism or leisure activity. SFB 20:41, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
Coat of arms of Bogor
- Coat of arms of Bogor → Bogor#Coat of arms (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
In the redirected section, no sections appear in the Bogor article. So for me it's better to just delete it, because if you redirect it, nothing will appear in that article. Baqotun0023 (talk) 11:52, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment the coat of arms is displayed in the infobox and an earlier coat of arms is displayed lower down the article. Thryduulf (talk) 15:50, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- It does exist, but the redirect page is no longer in the article (the reason could have been deleted or the source was invalid), so in my opinion it would be better to just delete the CoA of Bogor page. Baqotun0023 (talk) 16:19, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- My point is that the coat of arms is in the target article even if the section is not. Thryduulf (talk) 16:49, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- It does exist, but the redirect page is no longer in the article (the reason could have been deleted or the source was invalid), so in my opinion it would be better to just delete the CoA of Bogor page. Baqotun0023 (talk) 16:19, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
Harris Sullivan
- Harris Sullivan → List of Yorkshire County Cricket Club players (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention in target ToadetteEdit (talk) 10:16, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- If it nominated for deletion, then I agree with it. Thank you. Goodknowme (talk) 11:33, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I think they are eligible for inclusion on that list having played multiple List A matches for the county [11]. If so then, they should be added and the redirect kept. Thryduulf (talk) 15:57, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
Halloween Cup
- Halloween Cup → List of figure skating competitions (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention in target. ToadetteEdit (talk) 10:15, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Has been added to the target article. Bgsu98 (Talk) 11:12, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
Azerbaijani Figure Skating Championships
- Azerbaijani Figure Skating Championships → List of figure skating competitions (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention in target. ToadetteEdit (talk) 10:11, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Has been added to the target article. Bgsu98 (Talk) 11:13, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
Big Falls (disambigution)
André Bouchard ( environmentalist)
Villarejo (disambigulation)
Home computer game
- Home computer game → PC game (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Home computer games → PC game (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not sure if these redirects should be retained at their current target or be retargeted to Video game. Per the result of Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 May 5#Computer game, Computer game was retargeted away from PC game and to Video game. Considering the current states of the articles Home computer and Personal computer ("PC" in the current target), it does not seem as though the usage of the phrase "home computer" exclusively refers to "personal computer". Steel1943 (talk) 21:11, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- I think the target works with the significant home computer game history on the PC game article and is not comparable to the computer game redirect result. A disambiguation hatnote was added to the video game article by me, maybe add something similar to PC game? IgelRM (talk) 08:24, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Tavix 00:05, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Who's gonna type this over "computer game"? Unnecessary and pointless over-redirection. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 12:02, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per IgelRM. The previous RfD outcome for Computer game was proper. The hatnote mentioned by IgelRM is proper, the proposed reverse hatnote is not necessary. Jay 💬 12:32, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris 09:00, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per Zxcvbnm. --Un assiolo (talk) 20:49, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. There is significant discussion of home computer games at the current target (eg: PC game#Growth of home computer games). -- Tavix 18:43, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Procedural relist to resolve WP:PEIS errors on the main WP:RFD page. This discussion may be closed anytime.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Tavix 00:44, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
All-Star Batman and Robin
- All-Star Batman and Robin → All Star Batman & Robin, the Boy Wonder (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- All star batman and robin → All Star Batman & Robin, the Boy Wonder (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- All Star Batman and Robin → All Star Batman & Robin, the Boy Wonder (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- All-Star Batman & Robin → All Star Batman & Robin, the Boy Wonder (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
all-star batman and robin is a different goddamn comic from all star batman & robin, the goddamn boy wonder, but its only meaningful goddamn mention is in the goddamn list of batman comics, and the goddamn results seem to give goddamn priority to all star batman & robin, the goddamn boy wonder. should they be goddamn retargeted to the goddamn list of batman comics, or are they goddamn fine as is? cogsan (goddamn talk page) (goddamn contribs) 13:12, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- on that goddamn note, should i bring up all star batman and all-star batman (the only goddamn difference is a goddamn hyphen), as they have different goddamn targets, or does the goddamn exclusion of robin narrow them out of this goddamn topic? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 00:16, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Well, there's no goddamn way that the current goddamn arrangement with those two redirects (ASB and A-SB) is the correct goddamn outcome. Since this conversation seems to be lurching toward to a goddamn DAB, I think that the next goddamn question is whether the goddamn DAB is titled something like "All Star Batman" and includes all of these goddamn titles (ASB, ASBAR, ASBARTBW) or whether it's just ASBAR and ASBARTBW. The former "broader" DAB actually seems like my preferred goddamn outcome. —mako๛ 11:54, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Too many goddamn questions!
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 15:12, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- bats like their goddamn questions. they like them a lot. cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:17, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Sorry that I don't get the references here, and I'm thinking many won't. Heck, I don't even understand the nomination statement. What's going on with these redirects? Steel1943 (talk) 14:27, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- asbar and asbartbw (what a nice acronym) are different comics, though only the latter has an article of its own. the joke is mostly that the target really loves plastering the word "goddamn" everywhere, to the point where "the goddamn batman" is an actual redirect to it cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 19:09, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Not enough goddamn answers!
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, mwwv ∫edits 01:28, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate - Since it was too confusing, we should make into a disambiguation page. Ahri Boy (talk) 03:16, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- Question for Cogsan perhaps. This is a very confusing nomination (even without all the goddamns)! Are the very similarly named comics without articles at the moment not notable or do they just not have articles yet? If they are never going to have articles, the proposal sounds reasonable since it seems like this redirect should point somewhere and that seems like the obvious place that currently exists! Otherwise, I like the idea of redirecting to a DAB that explains the situation (perhaps with WP:REDLINKS?). —mako๛ 12:48, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- i'm not the biggest batman fanatic out there so i can't say for sure, but results for "all-star batman" and "all-star batman and robin" are riddled with all star batman & robin, the boy wonder, since robin is a pretty important character in batman lore and "boy wonder" is a pretty common nickname for him, so it's hard to tell
- in case of doubt, i'll assume the answer is "their only notable trait is sharing their names with that one comic", and change my vote to dabifying between all star batman & robin, the boy wonder, dc rebirth, and the list of batman comics so i don't have to think about it again cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 14:33, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- Dabify as per the goddamn response by the goddamn nom and the goddamn conversation here. —mako๛ 15:53, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- Dabify, goddammit - What, are you dense? Are you ^%$&*^%# or something? Just where do you think this should go? It's The Goddamn All-Star Batman & Robin (disambiguation). —Jéské Couriano v^_^v 07:39, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- i just realized this implies you either have the line memorized or had to check the comic in some way to see it. in either case, my condolences cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:14, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- The panel actually showed up on superdickery.com back when that website was A Thing, and even if it didn't the panel is in our article. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v 22:20, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- that still falls within "some way". the condolences are inevitable cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:11, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- The panel actually showed up on superdickery.com back when that website was A Thing, and even if it didn't the panel is in our article. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v 22:20, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- i just realized this implies you either have the line memorized or had to check the comic in some way to see it. in either case, my condolences cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:14, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Can someone draft a disambiguation page? I would usually do so myself but I am not familiar with the topic. C F A 💬 16:24, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- @CFA like this? nah, not happening
- ...jokes aside, i haven't actually found any info on a comic series named "all-star batman and robin", and none of the wikis i found had any entries under that name either, so it's probably just asb and asbartbw cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 17:15, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: for goddamn opinions on this goddamn draft
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- Keep. The other comic in question is "All-Star Batman", so I don't see the confusion because the titles in question are "All-Star Batman and Robin" (emphasis added). If you're specifically searching with 'and Robin', why would you be looking for "All-Star Batman"? If there is genuine confusion, add a hatnote. -- Tavix 20:05, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- yes, i noticed the mistake before, there's no "all star batman and robin" (as far as i know, at least), but there is an "all star batman". considering letting them be kept so i can nominate them all together and not use draftspace for this process cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:13, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
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Hello, Newman!
- Hello, Newman! → Newman (Seinfeld) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Only mentioned once at the target phrase article, claiming to be "Jerry's trademark phrase" for Newman. Is the phrase trademarked? No clue, as there is no reference anywhere in the paragraph where this is stated to be true. Otherwise implausible for people to use this phrase to reach the article about Newman from Seinfeld, before searchers attempt to search for Newman (Seinfeld) (as the character's name is in the phrase in question). Utopes (talk / cont) 17:14, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - plausible search term, and there is no other plausible target. "target phrase"? Did you mean "target article"? Jay 💬 17:20, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Yes. I've since removed the mention of the phrase from the target article as well. Utopes (talk / cont) 17:25, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oh well, retarget to Jerry Seinfeld (character)#Newman. List of catchphrases in American and British mass media has a FOX website source Most popular sitcom catchphrases of all time, from 'Ayyyy!' to 'Hello, Newman' which gives a Page not found though, and may need to be dug up from the archives. Jay 💬 17:38, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Also removed the [totally unsourced] mention from Jerry Seinfeld (character)#Newman as well. The only context present there refers to an erroneous claim that it's "Jerry's trademark phrase", with no citation about a trademark. Beyond that, I'm highly doubtful that this list based on a seemingly subjective metric of "most popular" sitcom catchphrases of all time, would be anything of a reliable source to substantiate any mention. Newman's personality can be demonstrated totally well enough without it. Utopes (talk / cont) 17:54, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- "Jerry's trademark phrase" uses the figurative/colloquial meaning of trademark. It is not a legal assertion that Jerry uses the phrase to identify a particular company's product and differentiate it from other companies' products. SilverLocust 💬 05:36, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- I agree. The content should be added back. The archived source link is here. Jay 💬 17:19, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- "Jerry's trademark phrase" uses the figurative/colloquial meaning of trademark. It is not a legal assertion that Jerry uses the phrase to identify a particular company's product and differentiate it from other companies' products. SilverLocust 💬 05:36, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Also removed the [totally unsourced] mention from Jerry Seinfeld (character)#Newman as well. The only context present there refers to an erroneous claim that it's "Jerry's trademark phrase", with no citation about a trademark. Beyond that, I'm highly doubtful that this list based on a seemingly subjective metric of "most popular" sitcom catchphrases of all time, would be anything of a reliable source to substantiate any mention. Newman's personality can be demonstrated totally well enough without it. Utopes (talk / cont) 17:54, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oh well, retarget to Jerry Seinfeld (character)#Newman. List of catchphrases in American and British mass media has a FOX website source Most popular sitcom catchphrases of all time, from 'Ayyyy!' to 'Hello, Newman' which gives a Page not found though, and may need to be dug up from the archives. Jay 💬 17:38, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Yes. I've since removed the mention of the phrase from the target article as well. Utopes (talk / cont) 17:25, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Do we do soft redirects to Wikiquote? (Not sure if a target exists, not sure if we do such soft redirects these days ... just asking based on our Wiktionary soft redirects' existence.) Steel1943 (talk) 18:35, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- We do do soft redirects to Wikiquote when that's the best target. No opinion (at the moment) on whether that's true in this case. Thryduulf (talk) 02:05, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- I just looked at Wikiquote for a bit: Seems it's more focused on non-serial media, such as films, instead of reoccurring media, such as TV series. What I mean is if a quote is stated more than once in a media (such as multiple episodes in a series), it seems there is no clear target for the quote on Wiktionary. (There may be character pages ... but I haven't figured that out yet.) Steel1943 (talk) 18:16, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- We do do soft redirects to Wikiquote when that's the best target. No opinion (at the moment) on whether that's true in this case. Thryduulf (talk) 02:05, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
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- @Utopes: The current target still mentions the phrase, in the section "Reception and popularity". The discussion of the phrase in that section implies it is very notable, though I am personally leaning delete as long as all mention of the phrase is removed. --Un assiolo (talk) 12:05, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep and re-add per Jay. -- Tavix 18:36, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
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Quadrachromic pencil
Does not look like we have any content on this, neither at the current target nor at Colored pencil. 1234qwer1234qwer4 00:35, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment the history of this redirect suggests it's a {{R from merge}} but I've not investigated whether it was actually merged. The two sentences were enough that it wouldn't meet any speedy deletion criterion if restored but not enough to sustain an article. If sent to AfD I expect it would get a mix of !votes to delete, merge, and expand with consensus equally likely to be any of them. History and uses are obvious potential areas for expansion but I've not yet looked to see what sources are available. Thryduulf (talk) 04:27, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
Dirtbag (and other Transformers redirects)
- Dirtbag (Transformers) → Transformers: Generation 2 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Electro (Transformers) → Transformers: Generation 2 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Firecracker (Transformers) → Transformers: Generation 2 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- High Beam (Transformers) → Transformers: Generation 2 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Hooligan (Transformers) → Transformers: Generation 2 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Manta Ray (Transformers) → Transformers: Generation 2 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Powerdive → Transformers: Generation 2 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Smokejumper (Transformers) → Transformers: Generation 2 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
(My first time to nominate a group, so I'm probably doing it wrong. Feel free to edit/fix the nom as appropriate, or tell me what I need to do.) I propose we delete these 8 redirects, all of which redirect to Transformers: Generation 2. These pages appear to refer to Transformers characters/toys, although they are not mentioned at the target page. So not useful for navigation, says I, and ought to be deleted. None of these names are mentioned at Transformers, either, or I would have suggested retargeting. — JohnFromPinckney (talk / edits) 19:22, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
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- The spirit of WP:Articles for deletion/High Beam (Transformers) was that content from the article history be used for a merge to either the current target or List of Autobots (now redirected to Autobot). So either do a merge, or restore and add the {{merge}} tag. Delete all other entries. Jay 💬 09:21, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete all per nom due to a lack of mention. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/High Beam (Transformers) was redirected back in 2016 just in case someone in the discussion wanted to perform a merge. That never occurred in the eight years since, which shows that there was no such appetite to merge. -- Tavix 18:24, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
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Template:Empty-warn
- Template:Empty-warn → Template:Db-nocontext-notice (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Confusing. Much like {{db-empty}}, one would expect it to refer to A3 or C1 but not A1 which explicitly does not apply to empty articles. Nickps (talk) 13:50, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- Weak delete I agree its ambiguous due and I'd argue C1 is more likely as a category would be more likely to be considered to be empty because although its now possible to create an empty page (it never used to be) I wouldn't expect many articles to be created that are completely empty and blanking is often done when G7 ends up being the criteria used to delete. I'd also note that Template:Empty redirects to Template:Db-empty so I'd consider deleting them both. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:08, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- I think {{empty}} is just fine as is. {{db-empty}} wraps both {{db-a3}} and {{db-c1}} and chooses which to serve depending on the namespace so there is no ambiguity there. Nickps (talk) 19:15, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- Reading your comment again, I hadn't thought of the G7 point. I guess there is an argument to be made for deletion but considering that {{db-empty}} is probably associated with A3 and C1, I'd be very hesitant to delete. Nickps (talk) 19:24, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- I think {{empty}} is just fine as is. {{db-empty}} wraps both {{db-a3}} and {{db-c1}} and chooses which to serve depending on the namespace so there is no ambiguity there. Nickps (talk) 19:15, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - Template shortcuts are quite often ambiguous. Created in 2006, then redirected here in 2012. It is included as a link in {{User:Fuhghettaboutit/Toolbox}} (which is transcluded to many user pages). No need to take any action. Shortcuts have to be learned before use anyhow, and this only affects our editors (not our readers). Prefer a retarget over deletion (if it comes to that). — GodsyCONT) 10:07, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not convenced by this argument. It's alao confusing for editors to have db-empty refer to C1 and A3 but db-empty-notice refer to A1. Every other notice template is named after the CSD template it is used with but this one alone breaks the pattern. That still makes shortcuts more difficult to learn for our editors for no benefit since most of them would know that db-a1-notice is the notice to use along with db-a1. Nickps (talk) 10:23, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- I've since made {{subst:db-empty-notice}} behave identically to {{db-empty}}, that is, it returns {{subst:db-catempty-notice}} if a category is passed to it and {{subst:db-nocontent-notice}} in all other cases. So, assuming the db-empty-notice RfD closes as "disambiguate" between these two, we should retarget there Nickps (talk) 10:14, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Retarget to Template:Db-empty-notice now that Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 July 20#Template:Db-empty-notice has been resolved. -- Tavix 17:17, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
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Chinese coins
- Chinese coins → Ancient Chinese coinage (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Chinese coin → Ancient Chinese coinage (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Is there some reason that Chinese coins are assumed to be ancient? To the contrary, I would personally assume that people looking for information about Chinese coins would be looking for information about modern coins. The same for Chinese coin. — BarrelProof (talk) 18:04, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Added/bundled Chinese coin into the discussion. (Was checking to see in the singular and plural had different targets, and well ... they do not.) Steel1943 (talk) 18:11, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: What a cluster of existing articles did I run into: Between Chinese currency (a disambiguation page), the fact that the aforementioned page has multiple articles listed related to subjects named "Yuan" (including Renminbi, which is alternative called the "Chinese Yuan"), History of Chinese currency, Chinese cash (currency unit), the nominated redirect's current target and ALL of the potentially ambiguous redirects targeting EACH of the respective aforementioned non-redirect pages ... this whole situation is a mess. Obviously, the current target is wrong; my vote here is weak retarget to Chinese currency as a {{R from ambiguous term}}, but oh my gosh, there seems to be a need for a WP:BROADCONCEPT somewhere ... but does History of Chinese currency already serve that purpose? (Honestly, I'm thinking Chinese currency should be WP:BLARed towards History of Chinese currency, but that's a different discussion for a different day.) Steel1943 (talk) 18:28, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- ...And just found Chinese cash, another disambiguation page ... with more articles including Cash (Chinese coin). Wow... Steel1943 (talk) 19:35, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- As a side note, I ran into this redirect by trying to identify the origin and denomination of a modern coin that I have laying around. It doesn't have English writing on it, so I thought it might be Chinese and looked for info by putting "Chinese coins" into the search box. I suspect that happens a lot. (Unfortunately, even at Renminbi § Coins, I didn't find any pictures, unlike for American coins, Canadian coins, Japanese coins, Korean coins, Russian coins, etc. I eventually had to look outside of Wikipedia to identify it as a Chinese one jiao coin.) — BarrelProof (talk) 19:40, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- The current redirect targets are {{R from move}} results of a long-ago move. "Currency of Foo" and "Foo currency" titles tend to be all over the place. Most redirect to the page on the currently used currency in question, but the Eurozone can get weird (e.g. French currency redirects to French franc, but Currency of France to euro, which is technically correct based on grammar). Countries that have had several currencies or that have had currency substitution tend to have standalone articles, but these differ in scope from disambiguation articles (e.g. the very simple Currency of Greece or Currency of San Marino), to list-type articles (e.g. Currency of Spain, Currency of Germany, Brazilian currency), to full-text/list articles (Currency of Ecuador, Currency of Maldives), to extensive history articles (e.g. Korean currency).
TL;DR It's fine to have Chinese currency as a disambiguation page. Whether Currency of China should direct there might also be considered.
- The current redirect targets are {{R from move}} results of a long-ago move. "Currency of Foo" and "Foo currency" titles tend to be all over the place. Most redirect to the page on the currently used currency in question, but the Eurozone can get weird (e.g. French currency redirects to French franc, but Currency of France to euro, which is technically correct based on grammar). Countries that have had several currencies or that have had currency substitution tend to have standalone articles, but these differ in scope from disambiguation articles (e.g. the very simple Currency of Greece or Currency of San Marino), to list-type articles (e.g. Currency of Spain, Currency of Germany, Brazilian currency), to full-text/list articles (Currency of Ecuador, Currency of Maldives), to extensive history articles (e.g. Korean currency).
- On the nominal topic of this discussion, I support a retarget of both to Chinese currency. — AjaxSmack 20:19, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Renminbi#Coins would be another logical target for "Chinese coins". It's surprising that there is not a more detailed section, or even article, with images, compared to the very detailed coverage of some other countries' coinage. PamD 20:27, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Logic aside, a special consideration for this case is that a) coins are not used much in China now (vis-à-vis banknotes, Alipay and WeChat pay) and b) the copper cash coins seen in strings of cash are still found prominently in the Sinosphere with non-currency uses such as in Chinese numismatic charms, in art, in fengshui, in fortune telling, in graves, in medicine and among overseas Chinese. When I hear "Chinese coin" I think more of these and less of a 5-jiao coin. — AjaxSmack 20:33, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Ah: on looking further, (a) there are detailed articles such as Fifth series of the renminbi, which I found by rummaging around the category tree to get to Category:Coins of China, and (b) there are no articles on French coins or Brazilian coins (picking a couple of countries I expected to be well and poorly covered), although there are articles such as French franc, French euro coins and Brazilian real. It looks as if we don't cater for the reader like the OP who wants to find out about the coins of a country, together, to try to identify the one in their hand, without knowing the names of the units of currency or anything else about the country's coinage. PamD 20:35, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- And I've just spotted that Ancient Chinese coins, to which Chinese coins currently points, has a helpful hatnote pointing to Renminbi#Coins, so all is perhaps well. PamD 20:38, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Or perhaps not, as that route doesn't lead easily to the detailed info in Fifth series of the renminbi etc, which is where the detailed info can be found. Better navigation is needed to help the reader like our OP find the info which exists in the encyclopedia! PamD 05:29, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- And I've just spotted that Ancient Chinese coins, to which Chinese coins currently points, has a helpful hatnote pointing to Renminbi#Coins, so all is perhaps well. PamD 20:38, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Leaning toward a retarget to Renminbi § Coins. It seems like that's what someone looking for "Chinese coins" would be seeking, not Taiwanese or Hong Kong or historical topics, etc., so I don't think the disambiguation currently provided at Chinese currency is helpful. — BarrelProof (talk) 20:45, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Retarget to Chinese currency, both phrases are equally as ambiguous. -- Tavix 17:13, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Retarget to Chinese currency as there doesn't seem to be a primary topic. Thryduulf (talk) 16:03, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
Imperial Royalty
- Imperial Royalty → Imperial Majesty (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This term does not appear in the target article. Bgsu98 (Talk) 02:58, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- I guess Royalty and Majesty are somewhat synonymous. Josethewikier (talk) 02:59, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per above, since both words are synonymous. CycloneYoris 04:03, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. The words are not exact synonyms, and, more imporatntly, "Imperial Majesty" is a title, but "Imperial Royalty" isn't. Emperors can referred to as "His Imperial Majesty", but no ruler has ever been called "His Imperial Royalty". The redirect as it stands is misleading. If it's to be kept, Emperor would be a better target. Tevildo (talk) 17:57, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - Imperial and Royal, Imperial–royal, Imperial and Royal Highness, Imperial and Royal Majesty, are just a small selection of targets where this could reasonably point. Unless it can be established that this term is actually used in this form for one or more topics we cover, this should likely be deleted as vague. — GodsyCONT) 21:54, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to King-Emperor. They're not synonymous; in the context of monarchy, "imperial" refers to emperors/empresses, and "royalty" only to kings/queens, a lesser dignity. This article is general, not country-specific like "Imperial-royal" or "Imperial and Royal", and the redirect title is about a concept, not about a title like "Imperial and Royal Highness" or "Imperial and Royal Majesty". Nyttend (talk) 19:54, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget per Nyttend. All the other proposed targets are specific to a particular context, whereas King-Emperor is a broad concept article. Rosbif73 (talk) 11:32, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete it looks like the first Google hit for the term is a Pomerian dog breeder, which wasn't exactly on my bingo card. The other results seem to be mostly the kind of keyword synonym spam people use for SEO. There seems to be the occasional usage in historical contexts, e.g. an old history book or museum listing. I think they're using it to emphasize that these are imperial royals, e.g. emperors and not kings, but it doesn't seem to be a term of art. In any case, serious use of the term is rare and doesn't not appear to be a synonym for Imperial Majesty or King-Emperor. Rusalkii (talk) 20:22, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete. No obvious good target. —Compassionate727 16:59, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to King-Emperor, agreeing with Nyttend that this is the best target. -- Tavix 17:11, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
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North West Leicestershire by-election, 2010
- North West Leicestershire by-election, 2010 → David Taylor (North West Leicestershire MP) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Never happened. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 22:50, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- Weak refine to the "Standing down" section where it gets explained the most. There are a few hits dotted around the web as a by-election was expected. Thryduulf (talk) 23:16, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- In which case it should be renamed Planned North West Leicestershire by-election, 2010, without leaving a redirect. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 18:41, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- If this were an article I could support moving but only retaining a redirect, as a redirect I can only oppose. The current title is the plausible search term, given that's how UK by-election articles are titled. Thryduulf (talk) 08:00, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- It's not at all plausible, it's a fictional event. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 04:21, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Not it's not fictional. It was an expected event that ended up not happening because it turned out to be a rare exception to the norm of by-elections happening within ~four months of a vacancy arising. Given that norm and the rarity of exceptions, it is very plausible for someone seeing the MP for North West Leicestershire died in late December 2009 to expect there to have been a by-election in the constituency in the first quarter of 2010. Thryduulf (talk) 10:42, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, it is ultimately fictional, as it never happened and can never happen, as it's no longer 2010. Like I said, the redirect can be moved to serve the same purpose. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 17:07, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Not it's not fictional. It was an expected event that ended up not happening because it turned out to be a rare exception to the norm of by-elections happening within ~four months of a vacancy arising. Given that norm and the rarity of exceptions, it is very plausible for someone seeing the MP for North West Leicestershire died in late December 2009 to expect there to have been a by-election in the constituency in the first quarter of 2010. Thryduulf (talk) 10:42, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- It's not at all plausible, it's a fictional event. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 04:21, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- If this were an article I could support moving but only retaining a redirect, as a redirect I can only oppose. The current title is the plausible search term, given that's how UK by-election articles are titled. Thryduulf (talk) 08:00, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- In which case it should be renamed Planned North West Leicestershire by-election, 2010, without leaving a redirect. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 18:41, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- Did the preparations for the by-election actually start? The Banner talk 11:19, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- AIUI formal preparations can only start once the writ for the election has been issued (which it never was), but it is very likely that at least some informal ones were. Given that those same preparations would have just become preparations for the general election when that was called, and most of them wouldn't have been newsworthy I'm not sure how you'd go about ascertaining, especially at this distance. Thryduulf (talk) 16:59, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- The by-election should have been within four months after vacating the seat, if I read it correct. That would bring the by-election to the end of April 2010 (roughly). That makes it more than likely that the by-election was effectively cancelled due to the upcoming general election. So in my opinion, it makes sense to retarget to 2010 United Kingdom general election The Banner talk 18:07, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Where is this mentioned at 2010 United Kingdom general election? -- Tavix 23:13, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- The by-election should have been within four months after vacating the seat, if I read it correct. That would bring the by-election to the end of April 2010 (roughly). That makes it more than likely that the by-election was effectively cancelled due to the upcoming general election. So in my opinion, it makes sense to retarget to 2010 United Kingdom general election The Banner talk 18:07, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- AIUI formal preparations can only start once the writ for the election has been issued (which it never was), but it is very likely that at least some informal ones were. Given that those same preparations would have just become preparations for the general election when that was called, and most of them wouldn't have been newsworthy I'm not sure how you'd go about ascertaining, especially at this distance. Thryduulf (talk) 16:59, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Retarget to North West Leicestershire (UK Parliament constituency)#History, which is the general article where it's explained. -- Tavix 23:13, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:Abritration Committe
- Wikipedia:Abritration Committe → Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Both "Arbitration" and "Committee" are misspelled, making this an implausible redirect. 88.97.195.160 (talk) 19:25, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Created 8 years ago purposely as a misspelling, and is in no way ambiguous.
(The forecast is calling for WP:SNOW.)Steel1943 (talk) 19:42, 7 August 2024 (UTC)- Quite a lot, maybe even the majority, of R3s are created on purpose. The only reason this doesn't suffer the same fate is its age, which is only relevant to R3 and nothing else. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 01:01, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- ...Seems the WP:SNOW forecast was canceled... Steel1943 (talk) 18:04, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Unused and implausible. Would have qualified as an R3 had it been caught early. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 22:22, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Plausible and harmless, especially as it's in project space. Thryduulf (talk) 23:30, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- Being in project space is irrelevant. And plausible? Really? Two totally random letter deletions that are horrendously unlikely to ever happen together in that exact way along with no other typing errors, precisely? There's a small but nonzero cost to keeping it as a maintenance burden. There's zero harm in deleting it. Why are you so hell-bent on keeping all these useless redirects? 35.139.154.158 (talk) 01:00, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- The only cost comes from discussions like this one - in the past 8 years this redirect has required no maintenance and caused no harm. Indeed this nomination has resulted in the expending of almost infinitely more editor time and effort than this redirect would have done in at least 20 years had it been left alone. I'm not
hell-bent on keeping all these useless redirects
, I'm simply opposed to the deletion of harmless redirects because deletion is never harmless (for example it hinders navigation) so we should only delete pages when the harm from the existence of the redirect exceeds the harm caused by deletion. In this case there is truly no harm from the redirect's existence - anyone stumbling across it will be taken to where they want to go. It being in project space is relevant, because there is no chance of someone finding this while looking for encyclopaedic content. Thryduulf (talk) 02:05, 8 August 2024 (UTC)- This is what I was I was getting at but in a lot more words: This redirect is in the project/"Wikipedia:" namespace. If someone types this redirect out, they are obviously looking for the current target page. Deletion does more harm than good. Steel1943 (talk) 18:06, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- I agree with Thryduulf on this. There was zero maintenance burden from this redirect until this RFD was created, which has used far more storage space/processing power/brain power than the redirect ever has. The redirect probably isn't that helpful, but that isn't really enough to justify deletion. BugGhost🦗👻 11:03, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- The only cost comes from discussions like this one - in the past 8 years this redirect has required no maintenance and caused no harm. Indeed this nomination has resulted in the expending of almost infinitely more editor time and effort than this redirect would have done in at least 20 years had it been left alone. I'm not
- Being in project space is irrelevant. And plausible? Really? Two totally random letter deletions that are horrendously unlikely to ever happen together in that exact way along with no other typing errors, precisely? There's a small but nonzero cost to keeping it as a maintenance burden. There's zero harm in deleting it. Why are you so hell-bent on keeping all these useless redirects? 35.139.154.158 (talk) 01:00, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:57, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep per previous comments. Redirects are cheap, and despite being an implausible spelling, it's not in mainspace and doesn't do much harm staying as it is. SmittenGalaxy | talk! 06:39, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as harmless {{R from misspelling}}. C F A 💬 18:41, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom as two separate errors -> implausible. Being in project-space makes this even more unlikely to be typed because 99.5% of everyone types "WP:ARBCOM" or "WP:AC" into the search-bar anyway. This might've been harmless before, and I myself wouldn't have nominated it... but we're here now at RfD so lets seal the deal: its existence is a bad precedent that opens the door to an infinite potential redirect mess.
- If every page on Wikipedia had 5-10 typo redirects that generally seen as implausible, but aren't technically hurting anything because redirects are technically cheap, Wikipedia as a whole would be 5x-10x harder to maintain on the backend / pagecount side, because for each of the millions of pages that exist (across all namespaces), there's tens of millions of implausible typo redirects to scroll through. This is an example of one, so delete to save us the headache of having this same conversation over this exact redirect in another 5-10 years. Utopes (talk / cont) 02:18, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per Utopes. --Un assiolo (talk) 15:58, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as its possible for someone to mispell it, even if its 1/1000 chance. JuniperChill (talk) 19:24, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- Dleete prr Utopas, impkusable. Queen of Hearts (talk) 05:52, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per Utopes' excellent explanation. Harmful, as this has come up on RfD and been relisted, and there's nothing to prevent its recurrence at RfD given that there was support for Delete. Jay 💬 16:37, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete because the absence of a consensus to delete means it might get nominated for deletion in the future is one of the silliest justifications for deletion I can recall seeing. Thryduulf (talk) 14:32, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Utopes' justification was
Delete per nom as two separate errors -> implausible.
Everything else was a justification of why this is the opposite of harmless. Jay 💬 15:44, 27 August 2024 (UTC)- And that justification is what I was calling silly. We don't delete something because some people think that the lack of consensus to delete it was wrong. Thryduulf (talk) 17:56, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- What justification are you referring to - the multiple errors one for deletion, or the explanation for why discussing this at RfD is not harmless? Jay 💬 21:55, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- The explanation given for why this is not harmless. The only "harm" will come if peopled disliking a lack of consensus to delete think it's worth wasting time nominating a harmless redirect for deletion (for a reason I don't understand). The misspelling is a valid reason to think this is useless, no valid reason has been given for why it is harmful. Thryduulf (talk) 10:47, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- No Consensus outcomes sometimes get re-nominated after a gap. Sure, a nominator wouldn't do it if he thought it was harmless. I have said why it is harmful. Jay 💬 08:13, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- The explanation given for why this is not harmless. The only "harm" will come if peopled disliking a lack of consensus to delete think it's worth wasting time nominating a harmless redirect for deletion (for a reason I don't understand). The misspelling is a valid reason to think this is useless, no valid reason has been given for why it is harmful. Thryduulf (talk) 10:47, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- What justification are you referring to - the multiple errors one for deletion, or the explanation for why discussing this at RfD is not harmless? Jay 💬 21:55, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- And that justification is what I was calling silly. We don't delete something because some people think that the lack of consensus to delete it was wrong. Thryduulf (talk) 17:56, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Utopes' justification was
- Delete because the absence of a consensus to delete means it might get nominated for deletion in the future is one of the silliest justifications for deletion I can recall seeing. Thryduulf (talk) 14:32, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, multiple typoes are implausible. I do agree that redirects like these are harmless and should not be nominated due to the cost of discussing them, but at this point it's a sunk cost. -- Tavix 16:45, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per Utopes. —Compassionate727 18:24, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete as it is an implausible typo due to both words being misspelled and being in project space. I doubt someone would type the full name out with many typos and not just use the shortcuts or the search bar results first. Schützenpanzer (Talk) 18:31, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Redirects may be cheap but imagine if we kept/created a redirect for every single 2 word item with 2 errors in it, while arguably harmless we would end up with a huge amount of clutter. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:38, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- You call it clutter, I call it being helpful to readers. Thryduulf (talk) 20:16, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- you call it being helpful to readers, i call it "almost a genuine reason to cite pandora". i'm of the mind that someone going to arbcom (and most of wikipedia for that matter) would be expected to have the writing skill to not misspell a word and then press enter exactly one letter too early. utopes' justification was on point cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:43, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- You call it clutter, I call it being helpful to readers. Thryduulf (talk) 20:16, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
Muhajir Province
- Muhajir Province → Karachi Division (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention in target page. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 07:08, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: This redirect points to its current target due to its former target, Muhajir Province (Movement) (title match but with a disambiguator, thus a WP:PRECISE violation), being subject to a total WP:BLAR which occurred a few months ago. Steel1943 (talk) 00:15, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
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3128
- 3128 → Timeline of the far future (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target, and this is also a port number. 1234qwer1234qwer4 22:50, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
8009
- 8009 → Timeline of the far future (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target, and this is also a port number. 1234qwer1234qwer4 22:49, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
6009
- 6009 → Timeline of the far future (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target, and this is also a port number. 1234qwer1234qwer4 22:49, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
3601
- 3601 → Timeline of the far future (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target, and this is also a port number. 1234qwer1234qwer4 22:44, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
3101
- 3101 → Timeline of the far future (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target, and this is also a port number. 1234qwer1234qwer4 22:44, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
3004
- 3004 → Timeline of the far future (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target, and this is also a port number. 1234qwer1234qwer4 22:43, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
5670
- 5670 → Timeline of the far future (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target, and this is also a port number. 1234qwer1234qwer4 22:42, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
7777
- 7777 → Timeline of the far future (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target, page history shows that this can also refer to You Only Live Twice (novel). 1234qwer1234qwer4 22:39, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
9876
- 9876 → Timeline of the far future (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target, and this is also a port number. 1234qwer1234qwer4 22:38, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
3389
- 3389 → Timeline of the far future (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target, and this is also a port number. 1234qwer1234qwer4 22:37, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
3059
- 3059 → Timeline of the far future (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention at target, and the title initially referred to a video game according to the page history. Search results also mention this as a stock symbol. I don't think this redirect is helpful. 1234qwer1234qwer4 22:29, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
Template:R from patronymic
- Template:R from patronymic → Template:R from surname (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Patronymics are not surnames, and I don't think the use-cases here are even remotely similar. I'm not sure if there are any naming conventions that would refer to a person by their patronymic only, so the only redirects from patronymics I could imagine would lead to articles about the corresponding names (not people). 1234qwer1234qwer4 22:09, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- One usecase will be redirects from patronymics that are misinterpreted as surnames, which is something that is, for example, done by many people from Britain and the US with respect to Icelandic names. Thryduulf (talk) 22:40, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- For those, I would suggest they point at the relevant given name articles as well. 1234qwer1234qwer4 22:51, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- They would still be redirects from patronymics, I interpreted your nomination to be arguing for the deletion of the redirect for having no valid usecases?
- I can think of five possible targets for a redirect from a patronymic
- A single article (when it is unambiguous)
- A surname page (where a single name is used as both a surname and a patronymic by different people)
- A given name page (where a single name is used as both a given name and a patronymic by different people)
- A a combination given name and surname page (when some people use it as a given name and others a surname)
- A patronymic page (when it is used as a patronymic by multiple notable people, but not as any other sort of name)
- So I guess either retargetting to {{R from short name}} or making it it's own template would be best. Thryduulf (talk) 04:17, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- For those, I would suggest they point at the relevant given name articles as well. 1234qwer1234qwer4 22:51, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep in multiple cultures e.g. Icelandic names, they use patronymics instead of surnames. Thus, every "R from surname" for Icelandic name is actually a "R from patronymic". Joseph2302 (talk) 06:45, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
Overruled
- Overruled → Objection (United States law) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Overrule → Objection (United States law) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Is the US legal term the primary topic here? We do also have Overruled! (a TV show) and Overruled (play). Thryduulf (talk) 20:01, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Dabify as there are many potential targets --Lenticel 01:07, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Dabify per nom. I have also bundled Overrule into this. mwwv ∫edits 21:48, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- You didn't add the tag to that redirect or notify the creator, but I've done so now. Thryduulf (talk) 01:57, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: I was going to close this as disambiguate Overruled and redirect Overrule to it, but there doesn't seem to actually be anything else "Overrule" could refer to. I think "Overrule" should be kept as is. C F A 💬 17:46, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep as is per CFA. If there are other meanings worth mentioning, add them to a hatnote at the target article. BD2412 T 03:45, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- Dabify: There is no primary topic, due to the two common meanings in law: a court's opinion which overturns precedent, or a judge's interjection to squelch a lawyer's objection. Plus the TV show and play identified by Thryduulf, for a total of at least four dab entries. Jruderman (talk) 15:41, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
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Rat feces
Not mentioned at target. 1234qwer1234qwer4 02:34, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, add mention at target. pages of sources. Hyperbolick (talk) 08:14, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete until/unless content is in fact added, otherwise this is just confusing for any searchers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rusalkii (talk • contribs) 17:33, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Is the "sewage" mentioned at Rat#In the spread of disease anything to do with rat feces? Jay 💬 13:57, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
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MAGA tourist
- MAGA tourist → January 6 United States Capitol attack#Participants and response (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned in target article, leaving the connection between this specific phrase and the target unclear. Though MAGA is a rather known phrase, the use of the phrasing of the redirect on third party engines doesn't return results for "MAGA", but rather returns results for tourism in cities named "Maga". Steel1943 (talk) 19:33, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. This term is used to help categorize people involved in the events of January 6, 2021 at the U.S. Capitol. For example, see Lucas, Ryan. “Where the Jan. 6 insurrection investigation stands, one year later”, NPR (6 Jan 2022): “In the past year, the FBI and the public have learned a lot about who the rioters were and what motivated them, and they fall into three general categories. The first are the so-called MAGA tourists. These are Trump supporters who entered the Capitol but didn't engage in violence or destroy property.” If there are other significant uses of this term, then I’d recommend a disambiguation page. Anythingyouwant (talk) 08:05, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment: The target section "Participants and response" does not exist. It was renamed last year by Feoffer to "Participants, groups, and demographics", and later to "Participants, groups, and criminal charges". Jay 💬 17:00, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- I support directing it to “Participants, groups, and criminal charges” instead of “Participants and response”. Anythingyouwant (talk) 04:51, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete. While Anythingyouwant's comment explains the term's origins, I think it also demonstrates the redirect's lack of utility. Anyone who is aware of the term will likely get a better sense of its meaning from the context they heard it than here, and it's actually somewhat misleading it to just leave or refine it, as the reader could infer that "MAGA tourist" means "member of the mentioned groups," which seems to not be the case. —Compassionate727 18:32, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- The meaning of a redirect is often known by the person who clicks on it, and they click on it to get further information on the subject. In other words, they know the dictionary meaning, but want encyclopedic info rather than dictionary info. Anythingyouwant (talk) 19:07, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
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Feel status minus Actual status Inconsistency
- Feel status minus Actual status Inconsistency → Body image (neuroscience) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
not mentioned at target (in over 10 years) seems to be created for listing at dab FAI as the only user, but I'm removing that dab entry as it fails WP:DABACRO and wouldn't be used anyway due to incorrect capitalisation. Widefox; talk 20:37, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- It's an index [12], that could indeed be listed at FAI. The capitalisation *seems* to be correct, although I'm not sure why the authors chose to capitalise it this way. In other sources [13] [14], sentence case seems to be preferred. I don't think there's enough information to write an article, but it might merit a mention at the target. Cremastra (talk) 20:24, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
Texvc
Legacy cruft does not warrant a double soft redirect from mainspace. * Pppery * it has begun... 19:14, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep or retarget if a mention is added. The page was moved (without redirect) to project space in 2010 following Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Texvc reached no consensus. The redirect was recreated "since Meta has many links to this page, and I don't have access to a bot to correct Meta". The redirect gets over 400 hits a year with only a handful of days with zero visits, and I can find no evidence of anything else with this name so it's clearly providing value to those using it. I don't know how to filter out all the manpages, package lists, forum questions and programming snippets, etc. to assess whether this is notable enough for a mention somewhere, but someone who does know how to do that should do that. Thryduulf (talk) 19:48, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Since there is no page in projectspace, it is a redirect to an offsite location, this is therefore a redirect to an offsite location, and not the proper use of a redirect. The only proper offsite location redirect in articlespace is Wiktionary. Per Thryduulf's stats, WP:REDLINK to allow creation of an article, should it prove notable. -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 21:58, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
The only proper offsite location redirect in articlespace is Wiktionary
this is incorrect. While Wiktionary is the most common target of soft redirects in the mainspace it is not the only one. Thryduulf (talk) 22:43, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
Certificat Superieur de Francais
- Certificat Superieur de Francais → Language education (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Certificat Supérieur de Français → Language education (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. Only seems to occur in a passing mention on the English Wikipedia. 1234qwer1234qwer4 13:20, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Note I've merged the version with the diacritic in with this nomination as was likely intended. It was nominated with no rationale. Thryduulf (talk) 17:25, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. This seems to be the full name of the "B2" level mentioned at Telc#French and possibly warrants a mention, but a mention at Français langue étrangère#Diplomas, certifications and examinations may also be due. Thryduulf (talk) 17:32, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
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Abdali Airport
- Abdali Airport → Kandahar International Airport (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Failed to verify the source redirect as an alt for the target. Not mentioned either. ToadetteEdit (talk) 15:25, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
Saving Grace (2025 TV series)
- Saving Grace (2025 TV series) → List of Kapamilya Channel original programming (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned in target. ToadetteEdit (talk) 15:10, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
Deer cannon
- Deer cannon → Bird scarer (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
results are torn between the propane cannons used to give birds a dang ol spook, and actual deer cannon bones. i haven't found any info on where the name for the cannons came from, but it seems used, albeit not enough to warrant a redirect. any ideas? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:53, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
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Jim Dumps
The redirect makes no sense. GMH Melbourne (talk) 09:19, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- It should probably redirect to Force (cereal) now that I think about it. that article actually mentions "Jim Dumps". ―Howard • 🌽 09:44, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
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Adishakti (TV series)
- Adishakti (TV series) → List of channels owned by Sun TV Network (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Title implies a TV series, the target lists channel without the series in question. ToadetteEdit (talk) 14:44, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
1770s in piracy
- 1770s in piracy → Timeline of piracy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No relevant content of piracy in the 1770s in target article. ToadetteEdit (talk) 14:34, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:G6. The history of 1730s in piracy shows this was apparently created in error. - Eureka Lott 15:50, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
Blue Origin landing platform
- Blue Origin landing platform → Blue Origin landing platform ship (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Disambiguate There are two Blue Origin landing platforms. A ship that was scrapped in 2022 (Landing Platform Vessel, aka "Jacklyn"), and a barge that was completed in 2024 (Landing Platform Vessel 1 aka "Jacklyn"). There may be future platforms on land, like SpaceX lands on land. -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 10:14, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, clearly should be changed now. The current redirect was correct from 2018-2022, and arguably still was up until the time that Jeff Bezos and Blue Origin made public the info about their new barge to use for New Glenn landing attempts. Blue Origin had purchased a ship, rather than a barge, to use as a "Landing Platform Vessel" during the years 2018-2022. In fact, the ship was formally named LPV in the ship registration records for a time, prior to naming it Jacklyn in 2020, its final name, before owner Blue Origin decided to scrap the ship in 2022. I will get after correcting whichever of the titles and redirects I can to fix it. N2e (talk) 10:47, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- We could start with a dab page / SIA, and then expand into an article like the SpaceX ASDS article, if they build more than the two examples (scrapped one, extant one) -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 11:05, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- @SafariScribe: thoughts? -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 11:45, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Okay, I have fixed all the other/related disambig pages I could related to the multiple uses of the same marine vessel names by Blue Origin for a ship, and now, a barge. As for this particular redirect, with an active RFD underway, I would say this particular page named "Blue Origin landing platform" should go from being a redir to a disambig page. It should merely point to the ship Blue Orgin owned from 2018 to 2022 AND to the barge they own now, and which they intend to now use to land New Glenn booster stages beginning in 2025. N2e (talk) 11:30, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Now, Landing Platform Vessel and Landing platform vessel lead to different targets; wouldn't that lead to the new disambig/SIA page? -- 64.229.88.34 (talk)
- Disambiguate. Agree with IP editor 64.229.88.34. That is the correct thing, since the proper name is the two marine vessels Blue Orgin has owned, and the non-proper name title should go to floating launch/landing platforms more generally, which already has a Chinese vessel, and the SpaceX ones, and there will be many more in the coming years. I'm overloaded now and don't have the time to fix it. N2e (talk) 11:48, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate per above. ~ Matthewrb 14:50, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- I can fix it, as a WP:SNOW close might be in order here; but I'm unsure if the wiki rules allow me to fix it if I've given input on the RfD. N2e (talk) 19:31, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate, ie this page should be converted to a dab page under the existing name, currently with the two entries identified bu N2e further up. The LPV/Lpv pages also noted above by IP are not part of this RfD. - Davidships (talk) 14:29, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
Upper chest
Specific concept in question as such not detailed in given target. Hildeoc (talk) 08:39, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep I don't think this is doing any harm as it is, and I can't think of a better target. "Chest" also redirects to thorax, if a reader is looking for something specific to the upper chest (e.g. Pectoralis major or nipple) the thorax article will appropriately get them there. Bestagon ⬡ 15:58, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
Resident Evil Re:Verse
- Resident Evil Re:Verse → Resident Evil Village (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention about Reverse at the article. It was downloadable together with Village, yes; but it is still a completely different game. It doesn't help either when this was not mentioned at the article. 🍕Boneless Pizza!🍕 (🔔) 08:25, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
Las Vegas shooting
- Las Vegas shooting → 2017 Las Vegas shooting (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Vegas shooting → Las Vegas shooting (disambiguation) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Shouldn't this point at the same target as Las Vegas shooting? 1234qwer1234qwer4 23:40, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Las Vegas shooting redirects to 2017 Las Vegas shooting, but it's been retargetted to the dab page a couple of times. I agree that the two redirects should target the same place, but I can't find evidence the latter's target has ever been discussed so it might be worth bundling that in here so we can get agreement what the best target is. Thryduulf (talk) 12:04, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget both to the disambiguation page. --Un assiolo (talk) 15:49, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Target the disambiguation page -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 10:30, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget both to the dab page, should be apparent that that is the correct location. Bestagon ⬡ 16:00, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget "Vegas shooting" to 2017 Las Vegas shooting, keep "Las Vegas shooting": As the deadliest US mass shooting in over 100 years, the 2017 event is by far the most significant of the shootings occurring in Las Vegas. My search results for "Las Vegas shooting" overwhelmingly refer to the 2017 shooting, though I admit to only skimming the first eight pages.
- Searching for "Vegas shooting" is a bit more complicated, because it automatically returns instances of "Las Vegas shooting". But the results were similar. Dsuke1998AEOS (talk) 15:18, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
Jazz Jackrabbit 2 Facts
- Jazz Jackrabbit 2 Facts → Jazz Jackrabbit 2 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
As per Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 31#Volcanoe facts. 1234qwer1234qwer4 01:56, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:PANDORA. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:18, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 15:30, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per the arguments to keep all the other nominated redirects. Thryduulf (talk) 10:25, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete seems like the title for a FAQ and WP:NOTFAQ don't mislead people into thinking they're heading for a FAQ -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 10:37, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
Wasp facts
As per Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 31#Volcanoe facts; reverted page move leftover. 1234qwer1234qwer4 01:54, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, not a plausible search term. Chiswick Chap (talk) 08:31, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:PANDORA. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:20, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. The existence of so many different "... facts" redirects indicates that actually this is a plausible search term. Furthermore it is harmless and leads the searcher to an article containing facts about wasps. It's a shame that I need to remind experienced RfD participants that WP:PANDORA is a harmfully misleading combination of WP:OTHERSTUFF, WP:CRYSTAL and WP:IDONTLIKEIT. Thryduulf (talk) 02:08, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Steel1943 (talk) 14:35, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - the redirect is nonsensical, given that there are thousands of Wikipedia articles about different kinds of wasps. Dyanega (talk) 20:36, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: I am convinced by Thryduulf's argument. Cremastra (talk) 20:53, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 15:31, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete seems like the title for a FAQ, and WP:NOTFAQ don't mislead people into thinking they're heading for a FAQ -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 10:34, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
Girlfriend hoax
- Girlfriend hoax → Manti Te'o#Catfishing incident (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This could refer to so many other stories. Incredibly vague redirect. Delete. LilianaUwU 01:47, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- uh... weak retarget to bride scam or possibly catfishing? delete otherwise cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 04:28, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to catfishing. Fieari (talk) 05:32, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Dekete could also refer to a fake girlfriend, like that Canadian girlfriend trope American like to use. Or an escort hired to pretend. Or hiring a girlfriend experience -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 10:32, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
Facts on Dallas, TX
As per Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2009 December 27#Information about Stitch's cousins and Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 31#Volcanoe facts. 1234qwer1234qwer4 01:43, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:PANDORA. Also note that Facts on Dallas doesn't exist (its on the AP Stylebook's big 30) or Facts on Dallas, Texas. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:23, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. If someone wants facts about Dallas, TX then this redirect will take them exactly where they want to go making it plausible and useful. WP:OTHERSTUFF not existing is completely irrelevant, WP:PANDORA is harmfully misleading nonsense. Thryduulf (talk) 12:34, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Steel1943 (talk) 14:41, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Thryduulf. No harm is being done. If one person, presumably the creator, finds this useful, then good! It's Wikipedia:CHEAP. We're here to help people. These people, too. Cremastra (talk) 21:03, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Implausible search term. --Un assiolo (talk) 15:39, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete seems like the title for a FAQ, and WP:NOTFAQ don't mislead people into thinking they're heading for a FAQ -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 10:34, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
Oasis Facts
- Oasis Facts → Oasis (band) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
As per Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 31#Volcanoe facts; also currently does not refer unambiguously to the band. 1234qwer1234qwer4 01:42, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:PANDORA and should go to the base name Oasis if kept. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:24, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Oasis or Oasis (disambiguation). This is a harmless, plausible search term and we have articles that will provide searchers with facts about oasis - however we should take them either to the primary topic or to the disambiguation page as they are more likely to be looking for facts about an Oasis other than the band. It's a shame that I need to remind experienced RfD participants that WP:PANDORA is a harmfully misleading combination of WP:OTHERSTUFF, WP:CRYSTAL and WP:IDONTLIKEIT. Thryduulf (talk) 02:05, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Steel1943 (talk) 14:41, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to DAB per Thryduulf. No harm is being done here. Cremastra (talk) 21:03, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 15:40, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete seems like the title for a FAQ, and WP:NOTFAQ don't mislead people into thinking they're heading for a FAQ -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 10:33, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
Dragon facts
As per Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 31#Volcanoe facts. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dragon facts decided to redirect though deletion was equally possible. 1234qwer1234qwer4 01:41, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as an improbable search term. This article existed for less than a day fourteen years ago, and seemed to be a junior-high first-person narrative of someone's understanding of a specific (but unidentified) fictional universe's dragons. Anyone looking for information about dragons would be better off without this in the list of possible search terms while typing "dragon". P Aculeius (talk) 11:43, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:PANDORA. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:24, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep harmless, plausible search term that leads readers to an article with facts about dragons. It's a shame that I need to remind experienced RfD participants that WP:PANDORA is a harmfully misleading combination of WP:OTHERSTUFF, WP:CRYSTAL and WP:IDONTLIKEIT. Thryduulf (talk) 02:03, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Steel1943 (talk) 14:42, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Thryduulf. No harm is being done here. We're here to help people, including these ones. Cremastra (talk) 21:03, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 15:40, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete seems like the title for a FAQ, and WP:NOTFAQ don't mislead people into thinking they're heading for a FAQ -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 10:35, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
Interesting facts
- Interesting facts → Information overload (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This just seems confusing to me. 1234qwer1234qwer4 01:33, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- see talk page, retarget to ani (optional), and then delete cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 04:25, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- I don't see what the benefit of this would be considering the talk vandalism was originally from 2019 and February 2023. Trailblazer101 (talk) 22:59, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- fine, consider step 1 optional as well :( cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:20, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- I don't see what the benefit of this would be considering the talk vandalism was originally from 2019 and February 2023. Trailblazer101 (talk) 22:59, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Trivia (which is what pretty much everything collection of "interesting facts" is) or delete as a second choice. Thryduulf (talk) 20:09, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Trivia per Thryduulf. Trailblazer101 (talk) 22:59, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete not everyone thinks trivia is interesting; and the current target is unrelated to the redirect name -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 10:38, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- IMHO trivia is quite a good target; it also aligns with the usage of "Interesting fact" and "Trivia"
cluttersections on Wikipedia. 1234qwer1234qwer4 15:59, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- IMHO trivia is quite a good target; it also aligns with the usage of "Interesting fact" and "Trivia"
Cancer Facts and Figures
- Cancer Facts and Figures → American Cancer Society (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. 1234qwer1234qwer4 01:24, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Cancer, which is where people will find facts and figures about cancer. Deletion is preferable to keeping as is, but retargetting is preferable to both. Thryduulf (talk) 20:11, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. If Cancer contains any "figures", I can't find them. Saying that we have "figures" then sending readers to the top of an article that is almost 200KB in size is not helpful at all. Steel1943 (talk) 14:24, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Thryduulf. @Steel1943: there are plenty of figures, statistics, and facts in Cancer#Global perspective, as well as §Causes, §Epidemeology, and §Economic effect. Cremastra (talk) 21:03, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah, I meant that I gave up looking for them. The target page is so unwieldy regarding its subject matter that trying to find subtopics, especially those in multiple locations, can be confusing/annoying. Steel1943 (talk) 21:12, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 15:42, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete seems like the title for a FAQ, and WP:NOTFAQ don't mislead people into thinking they're heading for a FAQ -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 10:36, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
AuthServ
- AuthServ → IRC services#Components (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Authserv → IRC services#Components (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Currently seems to be only mentioned at GameSurge#Services, but I'm not sure if that's the only IRC network with this service. 1234qwer1234qwer4 00:39, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment other IRC networks use this, such as AfterNET [15] -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 10:51, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment other people use the term "AuthServe" in various different ways. like Akamai [16] uses it for authoritative DNS server. IBM for "authorization service", its a software package authentication service [17], it's also a BSD distro [18]. -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 10:51, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete and let the search engine find it. "authserv-id" appears in Email authentication -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 10:51, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
E-boat (trailer sailer)
- E-boat (trailer sailer) → Trailer sailer (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. Blanked and redirected by Justlettersandnumbers two days ago. According to their edit summary, its sole source doesn't even mention e-boats (it's offline so I can't verify that myself), which would mean there's nothing worth merging. jlwoodwa (talk) 00:04, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
University Institutes of Technology
- University Institutes of Technology → University technical institute (France) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
It's impossible to associate this term with a single subject, even though the french name is in plural too. NotAGenious (talk) 15:01, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. The nomination is simply incorrect - every hit on Google for "University Institutes of Technology" -Wikipedia down to at least the middle of page 2 refer to University technical institutes in France (either the system or the institutions collectively, both of which are covered at the current target article). From the middle of page 2 there are some results for specific institutions of this type - the correct target for searches that generate that kind of result is the list of institutions, which in this case is located at the current target. Thryduulf (talk) 19:28, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- On incognito mode, in order:
- https://www.institutesoftechnology.org.uk/ (UK)
- https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/institutes-of-technology--2/institutes-of-technology (UK)
- https://www.tudublin.ie/ (UK)
- https://classesinternationales.org/network-of-university-institutes-of-technology.php (France)
- https://www.kth.se/en (Sweden)
- https://www.uitrgpv.ac.in/ (India)
- https://www.gatech.edu/ (USA)
- https://www.collegetransitions.com/blog/best-technology-colleges/ (blog, USA) NotAGenious (talk) 11:14, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep and tag as {{R from move}}. This redirect is the result of a move that happened just before the nominator proposed deletion. There are still dozens of internal links to the redirect. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 01:42, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
Almadina (school)
- Almadina (school) → Calgary#School system (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention at target. There's definitely a school in Calgary called this [19], but that doesn't make this a helpful redirect. The name is also ambiguous with [20] [21] and [22], to name a few. I suggest deletion. Cremastra (talk) 21:25, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Alberta charter schools, where these schools are described. The schools in Alberta appear to be the only ones of this name represented in Wikipedia. If that changes, this can be pointed to the disambiguation page as a {{r from incomplete disambiguation}}. - Eureka Lott 21:44, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
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Hastings East (Vancouver)
- Hastings East (Vancouver) → Vancouver (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention at target. Could refer to East Hastings, or to a more general neighbourhood/area as in [23]. Thoughts? Cremastra (talk) 21:32, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 15:51, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
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Patch-management
- Patch-management → Patch management (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Delete redirect, not helpful for navigation. (Do I have the right 'closure' tag?) Tule-hog (talk) 21:55, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. I don't understand the nomination statement, but "not helpful for navigation" is definitely incorrect - this is a straightforward {{R from modification}}. Thryduulf (talk) 19:17, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Probably either {{R from alternative hyphenation}} or {{R from adjective}}. 1234qwer1234qwer4 22:55, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Not helpful in that its simply not used, no reason to have it anymore than there is reason for a specific redirect from Patch-ManAgEmenT. Tule-hog (talk) 02:14, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
Far-right riots
- Far-right riots → 2024 United Kingdom riots (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Wayyyy too vague for a redirect. There have been many far-right riots in history, such as the one in Charlottesville in 2017. Delete. -1ctinus📝🗨 20:06, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete or retarget I cannot seem to find any page or section specifically about far-right rioting, the closest being the page on rioting. There is also Right-wing terrorism (which some of the UK riots has been described as by some people) and List of ethnic riots, but not all far-right rioting might be described as such. Xeroctic (talk) 20:29, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate if there are indeed more topics that cover far-right riots. CNC (talk) 20:57, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget - I think a few good sources to avoid WP:SYNTH would justify a paragraph/couple sentences at Riot#Classification as a type of 'political riot'. Tule-hog (talk) 23:48, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- It seems the 'index' of riots is largely subsumed in the index found at Protest. Tule-hog (talk) 23:50, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Disambig or retarget. I don't know what the best target for this highly plausible search term is, but it isn't one specific riot or set of riots so the current target is wrong. Thryduulf (talk) 19:19, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
Order of vanishing
- Order of vanishing → Zeros and poles (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Multiplicity of a root → Multiplicity (mathematics) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Multiplicity of a root of a polynomial → Multiplicity (mathematics)#Multiplicity of a root of a polynomial (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Multiple root → Multiplicity (mathematics)#Multiplicity of a root of a polynomial (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Simple root → Polynomial#Solving polynomial equations (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Simple root (polynomial) → Polynomial#Solving polynomial equations (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Simple zero → Multiplicity (mathematics) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Double root → Multiplicity (mathematics) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Double roots → Multiplicity (mathematics) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Repeated root → Multiplicity (mathematics)#Multiplicity of a root of a polynomial (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Repeated roots → Multiplicity (mathematics) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
I feel like there should be some consistency in these redirects, and it's not immediately obvious to me how. 1234qwer1234qwer4 16:18, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- They could all go to Multiplicity (mathematics)#Multiplicity of a root of a polynomial, with the addition of a sentence or so to cover order of vanishing. Charles Matthews (talk) 18:02, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- BTW, Simple pole and Order of a pole (the latter created recently by me) also point at Zeros and poles; not sure if the multiplicity article would be more relevant here as well. 1234qwer1234qwer4 19:02, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- I cannot comment on all of the items above. I agree for one item: Repeated root → Multiplicity (mathematics)#Multiplicity of a root of a polynomial. Taweetham (talk) 23:55, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
Strawman (literal)
- Strawman (literal) → Scarecrow (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Straw man (literal) → Scarecrow (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
weird case, this one. results are torn between every possible thing that can be and is referred to as a literal straw man (from scarecrows to straw men to straw man), and also donald trump. straw man (literal) was seemingly accidentally moved by a bot to avoid a double redirect, though its talk page still redirects to the dummy. opinions? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:26, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Straw man (disambiguation) is my first thought, and that does include a link to scarecrow (disambiguation). Treat it as a {{R from incomplete disambiguation}}. Thryduulf (talk) 15:27, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- seems good, i support retargeting it to straw man (disambiguation) cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:14, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
Delete because the disambiguator makes no sense in terms on what available subjects are currently on Wikipedia. Steel1943 (talk) 14:18, 19 August 2024 (UTC)- Eh? It's an entirely plausible disambiguator for multiple topics things that are literally made of straw, including Straw man (dummy) and Scarecrow, that would be used by someone who doesn't want the rhetorical use but doesn't know there is more than one literal usage. Thryduulf (talk) 14:53, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Sounds like an WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS argument to me. That, and the whole concept of "rhetorical" vs. "literal" is incredibly subjective. Steel1943 (talk) 18:51, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry to sound repetitive but this comment again makes me go "eh?" - I don't understand how OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is at all relevant here? We have a plausible search term that people are apparently using but which could refer to multiple different articles. When that happens we disambiguate because multiple articles exist. What is rhetorical and literal is not subjective in this case - either something is a man made that is literally made of straw or it isn't. Someone using this search term knows they don't want the article about the type of argument or other figurative uses but they don't know that we have articles about multiple things that meet that description - and they should not be required to know that before being able to find the article they want. Thryduulf (talk) 19:28, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Sounds like an WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS argument to me. That, and the whole concept of "rhetorical" vs. "literal" is incredibly subjective. Steel1943 (talk) 18:51, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Straw man (dummy) per Tavix's findings. That works. Steel1943 (talk) 00:43, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- Eh? It's an entirely plausible disambiguator for multiple topics things that are literally made of straw, including Straw man (dummy) and Scarecrow, that would be used by someone who doesn't want the rhetorical use but doesn't know there is more than one literal usage. Thryduulf (talk) 14:53, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Straw man (dummy), noting that this was the disambiguator used for that article from 2006–2008. -- Tavix 21:21, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- That's better than deletion, but still inferior to the disambiguation page as there are multiple types of literal straw man and I see no evidence for a primary topic. Thryduulf (talk) 10:32, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- Nah, per the article a scarecrow is a type of strawman. It's better to target the broader article. -- Tavix 21:36, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- That's better than deletion, but still inferior to the disambiguation page as there are multiple types of literal straw man and I see no evidence for a primary topic. Thryduulf (talk) 10:32, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris 10:24, 24 August 2024 (UTC)- Redirect to Straw man (disambiguation) I am concerned about the accuracy of a redirect to Straw man (dummy). Our article on the logical fallacy of the same name states "The term's origins are a matter of debate, though the usage of the term in rhetoric suggests a human figure made of straw that is easy to knock down or destroy—such as a military training dummy, scarecrow, or effigy."
- Straw man, even discounting the logical fallacy is used vaguely to refer to many literal topics. (You could even argue that the most literal interpretation of "straw man" is a man made of straws)
- Whatever the reader is looking for by this ambiguous disambiguator, they'll find it in the DAB page. Ca 16:02, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to straw man (dummy) per Tavix. The broad-topic article that includes scarecrow is more useful and precies than the disambiguation, since the latter includes many non-literal straw men. Cremastra (talk) 15:16, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
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Operation Dryfront
- Operation Dryfront → Operation Wetback (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target, no Google hits. This seems to be the literal opposite of "wetback", which I doubt makes this a helpful redirect, so I propose it be deleted. /Rational 14:50, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- I originally made it due to it being used to talk about the operation in the political space on twitch, primarily by hasanabi, as the term is considered a slur. If that's not enough for a redirect, fair enough. Emma0mb 18:16, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep. While I'm only seeing one google hit for "operation dryfront" (but it wouldn't find uses in Twitch videos) and a couple more for "operation dry front", "dryfront" and "dry front" alone do get multiple uses in this context as ways to avoid using a slur. Indeed at least one use is to bypass a forum filter that prevented linking to an encyclopaedia article about the operation. While the redirect wasn't used between creation on 14 August and nomination, that's not a long enough time to reliably demonstrate how useful or otherwise the redirect is, especially when the target typically only gets a few hundred hits a day. Thryduulf (talk) 19:28, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
Wmn
Not sure how omitted vowels make this a plausible misspelling. Potentially this could be retargeted to the disambiguation page WMN, though all entries there are all-uppercase; otherwise, delete. /Rational 14:48, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to WMN. It seems to be fairly standard to have lower-cased redirects to TLAs. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 20:41, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget per above. I added a lower-cased language code. 1234qwer1234qwer4 21:07, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to WMN per the IP editor. While the nominator is correct that this is not a plausible misspelling, that's because it's not a misspelling - it's an intentional abbreviation. It's a plausible search term, but not the primary topic for those three letters though. Thryduulf (talk) 19:32, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to WMN per above --Lenticel 06:38, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
Laws of work
- Laws of work → Thermodynamics (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target, and might also refer to Labour law. (Interestingly, work law does not exist as a redirect to that article.) 1234qwer1234qwer4 23:15, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. It is an uncommon term, and i dont think we lose anything by getting rid of it. Ldm1954 (talk) 02:38, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate between Thermodynamics and Labour law. Disambiguations are cheap enough to cover this cost. Work law should exist, as Employment law does. BD2412 T 03:42, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- If we're going to convert this to a disambiguation page, Laws of thermodynamics would probably be a better entry than Thermodynamics. - Eureka Lott 15:23, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- DABify between Laws of thermodynamics and Labour law. A search in Google Scholar and other search engines show this term is used in both contexts frequently. Ca 16:12, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. This is not a term used in physics or thermodynamics, and I can't find it used for the laws of thermodynamics anywhere in a quick google search. Work is an important concept in thermodynamics, but only the first law of thermodynamics talks about work. StarryGrandma (talk) 20:22, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- Disambig per Ca's research. Thryduulf (talk) 13:51, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Dabify per above --Lenticel 06:39, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
Murloc
- Murloc → Thrall (Warcraft)#Warcraft III (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not discussed at target with sufficient substance to warrant a redirect - the target section makes one passing mention with no context, leaving anyone who isn't a Warcraft fan more confused than they were before. * Pppery * it has begun... 05:07, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment would The Murlocs be a viable target? Also, you might want to consider adding Murlocs in this RfD. --Lenticel 06:36, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- It's fine for Murlocs, and I've boldly retargeted it there rather than adding it to this discussion. I think it's too far off for the singular Murloc to be plausible, but definitely a better target than the current one. * Pppery * it has begun... 14:44, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to List of piscine and amphibian humanoids#Games. The fictional creature was already listed there, but I went ahead and added a reference. — GodsyCONT) 03:58, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Do nothing until the AfD concludes. Until we know the outcome of the AfD it's not worth spending any effort evaluating whether we should point this redirect there or not. Thryduulf (talk) 18:29, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
Crab angle
- Crab angle → Course (navigation) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. Related to Crosswind_landing#Techniques? 1234qwer1234qwer4 01:23, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
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Pi1
Apparently also refers to Yudo Pi1. 1234qwer1234qwer4 03:20, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate retarget to Π1 and add "Pi1" as one of the variants covered there. -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 03:08, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
Margaretville Railroad Station
- Margaretville Railroad Station → Margaretville station (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Margaretville Station → Delaware and Northern Railroad (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Margaretville station → Delaware and Northern Railroad (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention at target. Perhaps there's a better target? Redirect is a result of an AFD discussion but I can't see the logic in redirecting to an article that doesn't contain any material on the search term. TarnishedPath 09:12, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- This is part of why I originally nominated the article for deletion. It is completely uncited, which makes merging a non-option. despite it being closed as merge. Thus, I used the other consensus, and redirected.
- Kingsmasher678 (talk) 13:33, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: per nom, but does the station even meet WP:NOTE? The only notable thing mentioned is an AMWAY and it's an WP:EASTEREGG. Unless I'm missing something it's a long demolished train station in a tiny town. This isn't really relevant to the official procedure, but I've got family in the area and Margaretville is lovely but tiny, even when the station existed it probably wasn't particularly notable. ~ Argenti Aertheri 20:15, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Also bundle Margaretville Station and Margaretville Railroad Station with this. Jay 💬 11:19, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete all. The article itself is a real problem and a borderline copyright violation of the 1943 Railroad Magazine article. Mackensen (talk) 12:38, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
Multiplicities
- Multiplicities → Multiplicity (mathematics) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Unclear that this plural form would not be ambiguous the same way as Multiplicity. 1234qwer1234qwer4 12:47, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. The term is used in other disciplines but mathematics is by far the primary topic in my search results. A hatnote to the dab will suffice for those looking for other things. Thryduulf (talk) 18:34, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Is its use in other disciplines a carefully defined technical term belonging to those disciplines (as it is in mathematics) or is it just an ordinary word used in English? If the latter, then Multiplicity (mathematics) seems like the right target. Unless the page is to be moved to Multiplicity, in which case, if necessary, a hatnote could either direct the user to a disambiguation page or say "For the number of belly buttons a person has, see Multiplicity (omphalology)." Michael Hardy (talk) 22:33, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
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- I don't know how "multiplicities" is used in other disciplines, but equally I don't know how that is relevant? The primary topic for the plural is very clearly the mathematical use, but that topic is correctly titled in the singular, therefore the status quo is correct. Thryduulf (talk) 14:03, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to DAB, the term "multiplicities" only appears once in Multiplicity (mathematics) but also appears in Multiplicity (chemistry) and in a footnote at Multiplicity (philosophy) and while Google does return the mathematics Wikipedia article first it also returns the philosophy article and I don't think like Orange v Oranges there is much of a difference between the singular v plural to have different targets per WP:PLURALPT. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:39, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep. It does seem like the mathematical use in the primary topic. Mdewman6 (talk) 01:37, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- And, add a {{Redirect}} hatnote to the dab page. Mdewman6 (talk) 01:39, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
ETDA
- ETDA → Ethylenediaminetetraacetic acid (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This redirect was created as an obvious typo of the common name of the chemical, EDTA. However, "ETDA" has two legitimate meanings - the Electronic Trade Documents Act (2023) (see UNCITRAL Model Law on Electronic Transferable Records), and the Electronic Transactions Development Agency (see Surangkana Wayuparb). Neither of these has its own article, but the UK legislation, at least, has the potential to merit one. A standard {{redirect}} on the EDTA page is a possibility, but the resulting text will be long and potentially disruptive. My suggestion is therefore to add an ETDA section to EDTA (disambiguation) with entries for the UK law and the Thai government agency, but I don't know if this is fully compliant with our rules on DAB pages, and would like to discuss it before taking unilateral action. Tevildo (talk) 00:15, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect - I think it should be redirected to one of the two article's subsections, with a {{Redirect-distinguish}} template added to the other article. I would rather this than maintaining the continued redirection to EDTA/Ethylenediaminetetraacetic acid that I had originally set up in 2007, 17 years ago when there were fewer overall articles on en.wikipedia, and there was a greater need to redirect such typos. My preference would be for Electronic Transactions Development Agency, as it actually uses the 'ETDA' acronym within the article (and as a section heading), while Electronic Trade Documents Act (2023) does not use 'ETDA' as an acronym within the UNCITRAL Model Law on Electronic Transferable Records article. Wiz9999 (talk) 09:07, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Retarget to Surangkana Wayuparb#ETDA and add a {{Redirect-distinguish}} hatnote there per Wiz9999. In the spirit of MOS:DABACRO, this target is the only use of ETDA as an acronym on enwiki, so it should redirect there for now. Another option is a dab page, but I don't think we should weight a valid use and a misspelling equally for disambiguation purposes, unless there is evidence the misspelling is usually prevalent so as to rival the correct use. Mdewman6 (talk) 01:49, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
The BFG (1987 film)
- The BFG (1987 film) → The BFG (1989 film) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
apparently someone didn't mean to mean to deliberately spread a misconception that this film was released 2 years earlier by accident by accident. the year is mentioned once across all articles related to the big fucking giant, and not as this film's release date cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 18:52, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep there seems to be a slightly common misconception that this film was released in 1987, so much so that the article was moved to this title and then later a duplicate article was created here (presumably by someone who thought there were two films or the 1989 one was wrong). So people will look for it at this title, and the redirect will educate them that they are incorrect and it's a 1989 film and discourage the creation of a duplicate article. Thryduulf (talk) 14:00, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep per Thryduulf. I also saw several references to this film being made in 1987, particularly on Fandom. (Admittedly, I do wonder if the origin of this error is actually Wikipedia itself. I couldn't really find many organic references for this misconception). - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 18:09, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Thryduulf and tag with {{R from incorrect disambiguation}}. Skynxnex (talk) 18:11, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per above --Lenticel 02:26, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per above YodaYogaYogurt154 (talk) 16:54, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
Speako
seems to refer to speech errors in general, and not just spoonerisms. opinions? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 19:41, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
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AN/WLR-1
- AN/WLR-1 → AN/SLQ-32 electronic warfare suite#Variants (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The section redirect AN/WLR-1 targets a section of the article that mentions WLR-1 twice in passing. The redirect really serves no purpose and should be deleted. There are sources elsewhere that may be used to create a new article to cover the AN/WLR-1. — TadgStirkland (Tadg) 22:53, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
JD Vance couch "(word)"
- JD Vance couch controversy → JD Vance#Public perception (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- JD Vance couch hoax → JD Vance#Public perception (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- JD Vance couch sex → JD Vance#Public perception (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- JD Vance's couch → JD Vance#Public reactions (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned in article Isla🏳️⚧ 21:40, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
So ... the section doesn't exist and the word "couch" is currently nowhere in the target article. May be a borderline WP:BLP attack without context. Steel1943 (talk) 22:23, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- This discussion may need to be merged into #JD Vance's couch. Steel1943 (talk) 22:27, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Can be redirected to Hillbilly_Elegy#Renewed_attention Kcmastrpc (talk) 22:21, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Wait to delete or retarget all until consensus about whether or not couch paragraph should be included in article is reached. At the present time, there is an ongoing discussion about whether or not the couch stuff should be mentioned in the JD Vance article. If it remains deleted in the JD Vance article, but continues to be included in the Hillbilly Elegy article, retarget to Hillbilly Elegy. pbp 23:06, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Wait per pbp. Thryduulf (talk) 08:16, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Wait; pbp is spot-on. BBQboffin 00:26, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
Untitled The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild sequel
- Untitled The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild sequel → The Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Target has not been untitled for 2 years now. Steel1943 (talk) 20:49, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- delete since nobody will be looking for that subject under the title anymore. YodaYogaYogurt154 (talk) 16:38, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
Wikipedia:DYKGIF
- Wikipedia:DYKGIF → Template:Did you know nominations/Pronunciation of GIF (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
See Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 August 10#Wikipedia:GIF; there appears to be of questionable utility as a project namespace to a single DYK nomination is unlikely to be of substantial use. Hog Farm Talk 20:38, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. This was a mistake I made a few years back.Gen. Quon[Talk] 21:38, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
Open Burning
Recommend retargeting to Incineration, as this phrase refers to a much broader practice than the military practice discussed at the current target. Hog Farm Talk 20:35, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete or weak retarget to Open burning of waste. The subject of Incineration is about methods to dispose of materials that do not have affinity to "open" methods; the only place in the aforementioned article where the phrase "open burning" is mentioned is at Incinerator#Burn barrel, which is not the entirety of the article at all. The encyclopedia would probably be better off if this redirect led nowhere; however, Open burning of waste does exist, but that is not necessarily the only application of "open burning". Steel1943 (talk) 22:56, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. The lowercase Open burning doesn't exist, likely due to the ambiguity discussed above, so delete this incorrectly capitalized version for now, at least until something (dab or redirect) exists at the sentence case version. Mdewman6 (talk) 01:56, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per above --Lenticel 02:29, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
The game (the game)
- The game (the game) → The Game (mind game) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Unnecessary duplication (unnecessary duplication). Implausible. Alongside this, congrats on losing the game! mwwv ∫edits 20:01, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Weak retarget to The game#Sports and games. Steel1943 (talk) 20:53, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete due to the use of the definite article in the disambiguator. Second choice is to retarget to The game#Sports and games as {{R from incomplete disambiguation}} per Steeel1943. Mdewman6 (talk) 02:00, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: This deletion nomination is just trolling? --MZMcBride (talk) 02:08, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think a WP:GF failure is a valid keep rationale. Steel1943 (talk) 20:51, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete (delete) as an WP:RDAB. I don't see anyone actually being helped by this. If kept, it should be retargeted per Steel. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 21:08, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- WP:RDAB does not apply here; there are technically no errors in the format and potential capitalization (and spelling) errors are irrelevant because it is not a variation of 'disambiguation'. For example, a redirect such as Band (band) would be appropriate for a band named 'Band'. Thus, we cannot write these off wholesale. — GodsyCONT) 05:11, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
Master Levels
- Master Levels → Doom II#Master Levels for Doom II (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
surprisingly, doom 2 is the primary topic for this... just seemingly not to the extent that it completely drowns out results to other things that might use this relatively vague term. doom eternal also uses this name i guess cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 16:23, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. My research agrees that the current target is the primary topic, and is more common than all the other uses put together to the extent that no other meaning got more than 1 hit on the first three pages of search results and even when excluding "doom" from the search term most other results were passing collocations. If there is something else that this is a useful search term for then it can be included in a hatnote. Thryduulf (talk) 16:45, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. This phrase also has particular affinity for some The Legend of Zelda games. Steel1943 (talk) 20:51, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- I oppose deletion. If you disagree there is a primary topic (despite the clear evidence there is) then it should be disambiguated. Thryduulf (talk) 08:15, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Current target is a WP:PTM. The usage of the term in reference to Zelda is more of a search term than an official title. Deletion seems the way to go. Steel1943 (talk) 13:53, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- I oppose deletion. If you disagree there is a primary topic (despite the clear evidence there is) then it should be disambiguated. Thryduulf (talk) 08:15, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
Naga (Warcraft)
- Naga (Warcraft) → Gameplay of World of Warcraft (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. Mentioned once in passing at Warcraft#Azeroth but not really with enough substance to warrant a redirect. * Pppery * it has begun... 15:08, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to List of piscine and amphibian humanoids#Games, where it is mentioned. — GodsyCONT) 04:46, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Honestly that article itself should probably be sent to AfD. It's a pile of poorly-sourced trivia with no real focus, and if it were cleaned up properly it would probably no longer mention the naga. * Pppery * it has begun... 05:52, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Retarget to Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne which seems to be the most detailed appearance on Wikipedia I have seen, including a bit of commentary from a secondary sources. (And seems to be the first appearance in the game series.) Daranios (talk) 14:07, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- That is a better suggestion than mine. Prefer a refined target of #Settings and characters though. — GodsyCONT) 04:54, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Godsy: Usually I am in favor of such a refinement, but in this case the preceding section #Gameplay already has relevant information on the naga - which might be overlooked by an interested reader if we point them further down - and so do sections further down. So here I would prefer to just link to the article. Daranios (talk) 10:38, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Daranios: I still prefer the refined target because it defines a 'naga' as opposed to describing their introduction into the specific game at hand. Keep in mind that the (Warcraft) disambiguator may designate the Warcraft universe, not merely the origin series of games. — GodsyCONT) 16:19, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Godsy: Usually I am in favor of such a refinement, but in this case the preceding section #Gameplay already has relevant information on the naga - which might be overlooked by an interested reader if we point them further down - and so do sections further down. So here I would prefer to just link to the article. Daranios (talk) 10:38, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- That is a better suggestion than mine. Prefer a refined target of #Settings and characters though. — GodsyCONT) 04:54, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
Kiss-in
- Kiss-in → Queer Nation#Los Angeles (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
A type of protest connected to no particular group (others include UK Gay Liberation Front 1971 Festival of Light action, OutRage!, 2014 Kiss of Love protest, Ibtissam Lachgar#Kiss-in in Rabat), the first two of which pre-date the Queer Nation protests which are currently being redirected to. I don't think there's a single useful redirect to be had here. Belbury (talk) 11:12, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: If there is no suitable target article and one is not created, then perhaps a soft redirect to wikt:kiss-in would be best? Enix150 (talk) 19:46, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Soft retarget to the wiktionary entry per Enix150 -Lenticel 02:30, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
Automatic MatchMaker
- Automatic MatchMaker → Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
{{R from merge}} but no longer mentioned at the target at all. * Pppery * it has begun... 00:02, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
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- i guess retarget to matchmaking (video games), since the name could refer to whatever flavor of matchmaking there cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 14:32, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 15:20, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
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Real people
- Real people → Real People (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
"Real people" is a very vague phrase. Usually, it would refer to people that are also real. However, the current target is also quite surprising. I suggest retargeting to either people or Real People (disambiguation). Duckmather (talk) 21:31, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep I took the liberty of tagging the redirect as {{r from ambiguous}}, that's all that needed doing. Paradoctor (talk) 22:23, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Paradoctor: that tag is not correct as things stand: it should only be used for redirects to disambiguation pages but it currently targets an article. If the current target (a TV series) is kept it is a {{R from incorrect capitalisation}}, which I've replaced it with. Thryduulf (talk) 13:09, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- So what tag do we use to indicate the term's ambiguity? Because that is needed. {{r from ambiguous term to primary topic}}? Paradoctor (talk) 19:12, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- If there is a primary topic it is not ambiguous, the redirect should point to that article and links to the redirect do not need disambiguating. Use {{R to other capitalisation}}, {{R from modification}}, etc, etc. depending what fits.
- If there is no primary topic the redirect should lead to a disambiguation page and links to it do need disambiguating. Use {{R from ambiguous term}}. Thryduulf (talk) 13:47, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
If there is a primary topic it is not ambiguous
Ok, so "Real people" can mean the TV series Real People, but not, say, Real People (album)? Paradoctor (talk) 19:01, 31 August 2024 (UTC)- No. I'm saying that if there is a primary topic for "Real people" then the redirect should lead to that primary topic and not all links to the redirect need to be disambiguated. However if there is no primary topic then the redirect should point to the disambiguation page and all links will need to be disambiguated. I am not expressing any opinion about which alternative is correct, just that the Rcat needs to match the status quo, which is a redirect to a single topic. Thryduulf (talk) 19:34, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- If "Real people" can mean either of Real People or Real People (album), then "Real people" is ambiguous, and needs to be tagged as such. That is the question I had asked you:
So what tag do we use to indicate the term's ambiguity?
Or did I cross some mirror along the way? Paradoctor (talk) 20:19, 31 August 2024 (UTC)- There is no tag to indicate the ambiguity of a redirect that targets anything other than a disambiguation page. In the same way there is nothing in the metadata to indicate that Real People is ambiguous. Thryduulf (talk) 22:02, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Well, that seems to be a problem, then, ain't it? Paradoctor (talk) 22:34, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Why? All it would tell you is "some incoming links might be for the wrong target", but that's true for every page. It doesn't tell you that a separate disambiguation page exists (because a single hatnote might cover all the other uses) or, if it does, what title it is at. Thryduulf (talk) 00:01, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
that's true for every page
🤦 Paradoctor (talk) 01:50, 1 September 2024 (UTC)- I don't understand your comment. Every page on Wikipedia, whether the title is ambiguous or not, that has incoming links might have some that are not actually intended for that page. Not wanting the primary topic is one reason (whether the link is via a redirect or direct to the article), but content being moved or removed, misunderstanding, misconceptions, vandalism, typos, misclicking the wrong entry in a list, intending a topic that hasn't been written (possibly due to non-notability), and possibly other reasons all exist too. Thryduulf (talk) 11:54, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
I don't understand your comment.
Let's just say I'm tired, and leave it at that. Paradoctor (talk) 12:22, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- I don't understand your comment. Every page on Wikipedia, whether the title is ambiguous or not, that has incoming links might have some that are not actually intended for that page. Not wanting the primary topic is one reason (whether the link is via a redirect or direct to the article), but content being moved or removed, misunderstanding, misconceptions, vandalism, typos, misclicking the wrong entry in a list, intending a topic that hasn't been written (possibly due to non-notability), and possibly other reasons all exist too. Thryduulf (talk) 11:54, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Why? All it would tell you is "some incoming links might be for the wrong target", but that's true for every page. It doesn't tell you that a separate disambiguation page exists (because a single hatnote might cover all the other uses) or, if it does, what title it is at. Thryduulf (talk) 00:01, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Well, that seems to be a problem, then, ain't it? Paradoctor (talk) 22:34, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- There is no tag to indicate the ambiguity of a redirect that targets anything other than a disambiguation page. In the same way there is nothing in the metadata to indicate that Real People is ambiguous. Thryduulf (talk) 22:02, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- If "Real people" can mean either of Real People or Real People (album), then "Real people" is ambiguous, and needs to be tagged as such. That is the question I had asked you:
- No. I'm saying that if there is a primary topic for "Real people" then the redirect should lead to that primary topic and not all links to the redirect need to be disambiguated. However if there is no primary topic then the redirect should point to the disambiguation page and all links will need to be disambiguated. I am not expressing any opinion about which alternative is correct, just that the Rcat needs to match the status quo, which is a redirect to a single topic. Thryduulf (talk) 19:34, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- So what tag do we use to indicate the term's ambiguity? Because that is needed. {{r from ambiguous term to primary topic}}? Paradoctor (talk) 19:12, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Paradoctor: that tag is not correct as things stand: it should only be used for redirects to disambiguation pages but it currently targets an article. If the current target (a TV series) is kept it is a {{R from incorrect capitalisation}}, which I've replaced it with. Thryduulf (talk) 13:09, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Real People (disambiguation). Too vague to refer to People since it could also refer to Person. Not all people/persons are "real". WP:DIFFCAPS definitely applies here to retarget the lowercase variant away from the current target, and to allow readers to figure out what they are intending to find when typing the lowercase variant. (Heck, I'd go as far as to say the current de facto primary topic at Real People needs to be displaced to move Real People (disambiguation) to that title, but that's a discussion for another day.) Steel1943 (talk) 16:50, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to disambiguation per the above. Cremastra (talk) 17:54, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as a {{r from miscapitalization}}. All of the items on the disambiguation page are proper names, so this should point to the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for the title. If the community decides there is no primary topic and moves the disambiguation page, this should still point to the base title. - Eureka Lott 20:46, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- The monkey wrench that I'm going to throw into that statement is that Realpeople uses a lowercase "p". Steel1943 (talk) 22:59, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Weak retarget to DAB page given Realpeople. Crouch, Swale (talk) 16:40, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. If the capitalized title has a PTOPIC, then let the uncapitalized redirect go there. And if one of the non-PTOPICS were meant instead, then the hatnote to the dab page will get the reader there just the same as if they had entered the name capitalized instead. I don't think that the one oddball lower-case-but-single-word really makes much of a difference this time. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 21:26, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to the dab page and let the readers find what they prefer to look for --Lenticel 02:31, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
Code phrase
vague? could refer to passwords or code words, for starters cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:33, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to code word (figure of speech) appears right, with a hatnote to passphrase. Euphemism is way too broad to serve as target. Paradoctor (talk) 21:17, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Per Paradoctor, "euphemisim" is too broad and imprecise; code word (a disambiguation page) seems to cover all the options here, and is my preferred new target, rather than trying to cover contingencies with hatnotes. "Hooray, hooray, for the spinster's sister's daughter!" Cremastra (talk) 17:58, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
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MetaphoR
no idea, no comment, delete. was created as a draft seemingly before the article cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:06, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:RFD#K4 as a very old WP:CAMEL redirect. Early articles here required CamelCase titles. - Eureka Lott 21:41, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per EurekaLott, this dates from the very first month of Wikipedia's existence. Page histories that old can look confusing to modern eyes but there is nothing odd here. Thryduulf (talk) 13:14, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Eureka. mwwv ∫edits 13:17, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Weak delete. This may be a {{R with old history}}, but it's not a {{R from CamelCase}} (CamelCase) since "Metapho" and "R" are not separate words. Steel1943 (talk) 13:19, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- While technically not CamelCase in the usual sense, this is CamelCase in wiki jargon. Links required two capital letters separated by one or more lowercase letters, the convention was to capitalise the first and last letters of single-word titles, e.g. MetaphoR, PhysicS, DemocracY, WikipediA, etc. See also Wikipedia:CamelCase and Wikipedia. Thryduulf (talk) 13:30, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- gotta be honest, i don't get why those should be preserved. 2001 was at least 3 months ago (maybe even longer), and i don't believe this one would meet k4, as there's only one page that links to it for any reason besides this rfd nomination, and even then, it has a good number of already red links. i really can't think of any reason to keep this doom logo-style miscapitalization besides novelty, since nostalgia wikipedia is a copy cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 13:43, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Just because there is only one current revision on the English Wikipedia that links to it doesn't mean there is only one link to it. There is a good essay on this and how we should be good net citizens and avoid creating unnecessary link rot for others that I can't immediately find. This is one reason why R3 speedy deletion is limited to very new redirects. Thryduulf (talk) 14:33, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep - Too old to delete, avoiding link rot is a worthy goal. It's also harmless, and WP:CHEAP. Fieari (talk) 07:43, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - harmless and deletion may cause unintended link rot problems. Hog Farm Talk 22:34, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - since it's a legacy redirect and ramifications to getting rid of it are detailed above. YodaYogaYogurt154 (talk) 16:49, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
Flight Swissair 11, the victim plane of the Swissair 111 accident, that had been caused by fire.
- Flight Swissair 11, the victim plane of the Swissair 111 accident, that had been caused by fire. → Swissair Flight 111 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Delete this redirect. It's unnecessarily long, not exactly correct grammatically, and I doubt anyone would search this. (We can put it in Wikipedia:Deleted articles with freaky titles) Mr slav999 (talk) 06:52, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Editor has no understanding of how folk search. scope_creep 10:53, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete and DAFTify Too long, grammatically incorrect, and low-viewed to be useful. mwwv ∫edits 15:09, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per above. ---Lenticel 11:45, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete since these are just a bunch of unhelpful words that the likelihood of a person typing just so into a search bar near a level which makes this irrelevant. YodaYogaYogurt154 (talk) 16:50, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
Old Confederacy
- Old Confederacy → Old Swiss Confederacy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
I really think this ought to be disambiguated due to a lack of a clear primary topic. This is common American shorthand to refer to those states that once were part of the Confederate States of America. This appears to be a valid term for the Old Swiss Confederacy though as well; I'm not convinced there's a primary topic. Hog Farm Talk 03:20, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- DABify - I agree. I want to say Confederate States of America would be primary, but clearly there is evidence that the term is used elsewhere, and we aren't America-centric here, so a disambiguation page looks necessary. Fieari (talk) 06:20, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Disambig as no primary topic. Of the first twenty hits for me on Google for the exact phrase, 11 were about Switzerland and 9 about the US. Thryduulf (talk) 11:59, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Dabify per above --Lenticel 06:36, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
Artwork at the World Trade Center
- Artwork at the World Trade Center → Artwork at the World Trade Center (2001–present) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Artwork in the World Trade Center → Artwork at the World Trade Center (2001–present) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
no PTOPIC w/ Artwork at the World Trade Center (1973–2001), which redirects to Artwork damaged or destroyed in the September 11 attacks. Queen of Hearts (talk) 01:58, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep and Hatnote - A mini-DAB with just those two entries seems excessive... though I wouldn't strongly object to it if others disagree. In my opinion, placing a hatnote linking to the other article should suffice. Fieari (talk) 06:23, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep and disambiguate to Artwork at the World Trade Center (1973–2001), Artwork at the World Trade Center (2001–present) and Artwork damaged or destroyed in the September 11 attacks. Sir MemeGod :D (talk - contribs - created articles) 23:05, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate at Artwork at the World Trade Center and retarget Artwork_in_the_World_Trade_Center there. In my view there is no reason to expect a primary topic between the time periods before and after 9/11, and currently the redirect that exists at the base name is WP:MISPLACED. If 2001-present is the primary topic, then it should be moved to the base name over the redirect. Mdewman6 (talk) 02:11, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Dab drafted below the redirect, though its really a {{list of lists}}. Mdewman6 (talk) 02:27, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
You Decide on the Adventure
- You Decide on the Adventure → Nintendo gamebooks#You Decide on the Adventure (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Extremely novel and obscure redirect that is only used in one article as a "not to be confused" item, and is barely mentioned and described in the target article. Definitely deserves to be deleted. MimirIsSmart (talk) 01:17, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - Are you under the false impression that the purpose of redirects is primarily or solely to catch wikilinks? This is not true. The primary purpose is to catch users searching for things, such as by typing it into the search bar. If someone has one of these books, and wants to find information about the series on wikipedia, they are going to type in the series name, and then we redirect them to the subsection of the article that contains information about what that series contains. Just because the information is sparse doesn't mean we have no information at all... we should give the user what they are looking for. Fieari (talk) 06:26, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Fieari and add a hatnote to Gamebook (the article about the genre) and/or List of gamebooks as it's possible someone may have misremembered the name of a similar series. Thryduulf (talk) 12:05, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Fieari --Lenticel 11:46, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Fieari YodaYogaYogurt154 (talk) 16:52, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
Roland Burris Burial Site
- Roland Burris Burial Site → Oak Woods Cemetery#Roland Burris tomb (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The relevant section has since been removed, and the burial site is only linked from Roland Burris and a see-also at Burris. We could logically redirect this to Roland Burris, but we'd then realistically need to remove those incoming links as circular and redundant, respectively. Better, I think, to delete this, and recreate it later if the situation warrants (presumably not before his actual death). BDD (talk) 15:13, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Roland Burris#Personal life and education: I actually prefer this option, where the structure is discussed/described. Seems fairly unambiguous; certainly, can't think of anything else a reader might be looking for. Easy enough to remove the outdated links. It's a shame this redirect isn't decapitalised i.e. Roland Burris burial site or perhaps even Roland Burris mausoleum might have been more apt. 78.149.135.163 (talk) 23:52, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- It might be capitalized intentionally, if it's an official name. If it's not, that makes it an even less likely search term. --BDD (talk) 18:23, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Retarget to Roland Burris#Personal life and education, per above. We have the information, this is where it is. Fieari (talk) 23:46, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
Sarcastive
the history says some haiman guy coined the word, but i found nothing on its origin or existence, and haiman is a dab. not sure if it refers to john haiman or some other unmentioned haiman. please pretend this was written in a clever, sarcastic way cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:25, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
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Eumephism
created as a possible misspelling, but... it doesn't seem like it. i got no results cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:37, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep: not unreasonable for someone who is learning English to mix up the sounds in a somewhat complicated word; it seems to get pageviews. Cremastra (talk) 16:59, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep - A somewhat rare but non-implausible misspelling/typo/mishearing/misremembering of the word. Linguistically, misplacing the middle "m" sound is a very easy mistake to make, so it's less that fingers slipped and more that the tongue slips, or the mind slips, moving the sound around, and then they type what they say/hear in their head. It gets a dozen or so hits a year, so it's useful to someone, and WP:CHEAP applies. Fieari (talk) 23:51, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per both above. Plausible, used and harmless. Thryduulf (talk) 11:52, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
Brody Foxx
- Brody Foxx → "Yo mama" joke (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Redirect not mentioned at target. Off the top of my head this is some youtuber who makes jokes like this. Whether he is notable enough to be mentioned on it, I don't know, but as it stands no reason to redirect. PARAKANYAA (talk) 20:51, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - This looks like a plain example of a vanity redirect. You know the expression, "If you look up **** in the dictionary (on wikipedia), you'll see a picture of (thing rhetorically being associated strongly with ****)"... someone is trying to make sort of thing actually happen for this guy. We shouldn't oblige. Fieari (talk) 06:17, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- As the person who made the redirect, I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Why are you accusing me of creating the redirect out of vanity? I simply created it because I thought the character was notable and well known enough to be a viable search term on Wikipedia. gangplank galleon (talk) 09:45, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - For reasons stated above. gangplank galleon (talk) 21:35, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete not mentioned in target -1ctinus📝🗨 21:27, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
Terrokar Forest
- Terrokar Forest → World of Warcraft: The Burning Crusade (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Terokkar Forest → World of Warcraft: The Burning Crusade (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. * Pppery * it has begun... 00:50, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- This specific zone is in fact mentioned at the target, though you'd have to check the spelling. Target is unlikely to be ambiguous, so keep. IznoPublic (talk) 02:45, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Terokkar Forest (correct spelling) per Izno. Neutral on the other one. — GodsyCONT) 19:41, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Terrokar Forest, keep Terokkar Forest. --Un assiolo (talk) 15:30, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
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TSTM
- TSTM → Thunderstorm (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Tstm → Thirty Seconds to Mars (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
I think these should point at the same target? (Also, definitely not primary, but there is a song on Cat Spectacular! with this title.) 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:15, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Thirty Seconds to Mars, which is the very clear primary topic, and add a hatnote to the other uses. Thryduulf (talk) 18:42, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget TSTM to "Thirty Seconds to Mars" - Retarget TSTM to "Thirty Seconds to Mars" per WP:PTOPIC. --Jax 0677 (talk) 20:28, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget both to Thirty Seconds to Mars. Enix150 (talk) 19:31, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
Some overly capitalized redirects
- KOLKATTA → Kolkata (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- CALCATTA → Kolkata (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- LADAKH India → Ladakh (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- LADAKH, INDIA → Ladakh (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- LADAKH → Ladakh (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- LAKSHADWEEP → Lakshadweep (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- MANIPUR, INDIA → Manipur (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- MANIPUR INDIA → Manipur (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- MANIPUR → Manipur (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- MEGALAYA, India → Meghalaya (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- MEGALAYA → Meghalaya (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- MEGHALAYA, INDIA → Meghalaya (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- MEGALAYA, INDIA → Meghalaya (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- MEGHALAYA → Meghalaya (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Assam, INDIA → Assam (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- ASSAM, INDIA → Assam (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- ASSAM INDIA → Assam (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- TRIPURA, INDIA → Tripura (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- TRIPURA → Tripura (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- MIZORAM, INDIA → Mizoram (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- NAGALAND, INDIA → Nagaland (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- BIHAR, BHARAT → Bihar (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- State of BIHAR, INDIA → Bihar (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- BIHAR, INDIA → Bihar (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- GUJARAT, INDIA → Gujarat (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- GUJARAT INDIA → Gujarat (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- GUJARAT → Gujarat (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- CHHATTISGARH → Chhattisgarh (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- JHARKHAND → Jharkhand (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- BIHAR → Bihar (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- PUNJAB, INDIA → Punjab, India (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- PUNJAB → Punjab, India (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- HARYANA, INDIA → Haryana (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- RAJASTHAN → Rajasthan (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- MIZORAM → Mizoram (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- NAGALAND → Nagaland (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- UTTAR PRADESH, INDIA → Uttar Pradesh (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- UTTAR PRADESH → Uttar Pradesh (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Karnataka STATE → Karnataka (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- State OF KARNATAKA → Karnataka (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- KARNATAKA STATE → Karnataka (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- TELANGANA STATE → Telangana (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- STATE OF Kerala → Kerala (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- STATE OF KERALA INDIA → Kerala (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- KERALA STATE INDIA → Kerala (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- KERALA STATE, INDIA → Kerala (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- KERALA STATE → Kerala (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Based on the capitalizations used, these are not likely or useful redirects (WP:RCAPS). Note that these were all created by the same user, and there were a lot more, but they've been R3 tagged (no spaces between commas and words, punctuation at the end, etc., perhaps these should have been R3 tagged as well). Hey man im josh (talk) 14:10, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete all - recently created. If these were older ones I would have reconsidered. I wouldn't mind some of these in proper case. However, R3 is for typos and misnomers, and these are neither. Jay 💬 14:30, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah that's kind of where I struggle @Jay. I don't think all caps are necessarily R3 eligible, but I have seen some people process similar ones. It just didn't feel right for me to R3 all of these though because it doesn't fit the description of the criteria, even if it's applied slightly differently in practice sometimes. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:23, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- delete all as raw. a lot of those aren't even committed to being in all caps cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 15:41, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as implausible/Wp:UNNATURAL. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:22, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - Keep per WP:CHEAP. Someone might forget to turn off their CAPS lock and type one of those titles. If they do, they should be sent to the appropriate article. --Jax 0677 (talk) 20:31, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- DELETE ALL PER NOM. STEEL1943 (talk) 22:22, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep those that are entirely capitalisaed per Jax. Delete those that are mixed case. Thryduulf (talk) 11:54, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:PANDORA. Not useful -1ctinus📝🗨 16:46, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- WP:PANDORA is not a reason to delete anything, it's a misleadling harmful mix of WP:OTHERSTUFF, WP:CRYSTAL and WP:IDONTLIKEIT. Some all caps redirects are unquestionably useful, others are not. Thryduulf (talk) 19:47, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Sounds like you should create a counter essay to WP:PANDORA, which itself is a part of a counter essay to WP:CHEAP. lol -1ctinus📝🗨 15:49, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- something like that thing lunamann did? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:06, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Sounds like you should create a counter essay to WP:PANDORA, which itself is a part of a counter essay to WP:CHEAP. lol -1ctinus📝🗨 15:49, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- WP:PANDORA is not a reason to delete anything, it's a misleadling harmful mix of WP:OTHERSTUFF, WP:CRYSTAL and WP:IDONTLIKEIT. Some all caps redirects are unquestionably useful, others are not. Thryduulf (talk) 19:47, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete all as not useful. -- Ssilvers (talk) 17:27, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete mixed case redirects Why would someone do that? I can see the all-caps as a capslock error, or eomeone using a teletext terminal that only supports one case -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 03:45, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
Zelensky: The Unlikely Ukrainian Hero Who Defied Putin and United the World
- Zelensky: The Unlikely Ukrainian Hero Who Defied Putin and United the World → Regnery Publishing (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at the target. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:29, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. It looks like the purpose of this and several other book redirects to the same target is for them to show up under Category:Regnery Publishing books, but then clicking on them brings us to the publisher's article that doesn't have a list or a collection of their best books. Jay 💬 14:34, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- I agree. I wanted to test the waters with this one redirect first, then I figured I might batch nominate the rest after if someone doesn't add a list into the article in response. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:24, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Fyi, A listing of books was removed from the article because such a list was claimed to fail WP:NOTDIRECTORY.GobsPint (talk) 09:45, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
List of items in Sonic games
- List of items in Sonic games → Sonic the Hedgehog (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No such list at the target article, and there does not seem to be any applicable target in any of the Sonic-related subtopic articles either. Steel1943 (talk) 01:02, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Sonic the Hedgehog#Gameplay, which discusses how items work in respect to its gameplay. Sergecross73 msg me 16:05, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- delete. list not present, sonic isn't known for having a clear definition of "item" (are wisps items?), list unlikely to be present since wikipedia isn't known for being a game guide cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 17:43, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
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Super Emeralds
- Super Emeralds → Sonic the Hedgehog#Chaos Emeralds (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Super Emerald → Sonic the Hedgehog#Chaos Emeralds (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The target article contains information about "Chaos emeralds" and "Master emerald" ... but nothing about a "Super emerald". Readers trying to find information about this topic will find nothing at the target. Steel1943 (talk) 00:54, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - "Super Emeralds", in short, are the same thing as Chaos Emeralds, just "bigger and more powerful". This can be easily amended where Chaos Emeralds are covered. Sergecross73 msg me 16:02, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
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Solitaire (solitaire)
- Solitaire (solitaire) → Klondike (solitaire) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
unnecessary disambiguate, don't see how it'll be helpful to someone Cowboygilbert - (talk) ♥ 04:06, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Redundant and unnecessary. CycloneYoris 09:59, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- delete (delete) per "what target do we even put this in?" cogsan (cogsan) (nag me) (stalk me) 12:49, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, or at least create solitaire (solitaire) ((solitaire)). Lee Vilenski 13:05, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, perhaps it should have been Solitaire (Klondike), which would also have been redundant, as Solitaire (game) leads to Patience (game) which does mention
Solitaire is often used worldwide just to refer to the game of Klondike.
Jay 💬 14:50, 5 September 2024 (UTC) - Keep, although I don't have any arguments stronger than the one I gave in my creation message: Klondike the game in the patience genre can also be known as Solitaire the game in the solitaire genre. This matches page titles like Klondike (solitaire) and Spider (solitaire). Dingolover6969 (talk) 16:41, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - You know what? I buy Dingolover's argument above. That works for me. Klondike is commonly known as simply solitaire after all, as our own article on it confirms, and it is a card game in the solitaire family. Fieari (talk) 23:57, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Solitaire (disambiguation) which lists Klondike and why it would be searched for that way (a solitaire game called "Solitaire") -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 03:46, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
Canon Professional Services
- Canon Professional Services → Canon Inc.#CPS (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- CPS (Canon) → Canon Inc.#CPS (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target, and at least "Canon Professional Services" only seems to have passing mentions. Tagged as {{R to article without mention}} in 2018 but should probably have just been RfDed back then already. 1234qwer1234qwer4 03:53, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
Double digest
- Double digest → Restriction digest (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
"Double digest" is better known for being a marketing term used by Archie Comics than as a synonym for restriction digest. In fact, the current redirect target does not mention "double digest". Kinopiko 00:34, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete in favour of search results. Someone searching "double digest" intending to find additional information on this type of restriction digest won't be served well by this redirect. Though by DDG search results, at least, I wouldn't say that the use by Archie Comics is more well known/widespread. Therefore, delete and let the user find what they want through search. ― Synpath 15:06, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
Australia 2032
- Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 July 25 § Korea 2018 – Delete (no appropriate retarget option at the time)
- Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 September 3 § China 2008 – Retarget to 2008 in China
- Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 September 3 § Brazil 2016 – Retarget to 2016 in Brazil
- Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 September 6 § Italy 2026 – Delete (no appropriate retarget option at the time)
- Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 September 26 § Japan 2020 – Delete all (China 2022, France 2024, and USA 2028 were included)
- Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 January 24 § CountryName Year redirects to events – Delete all 10 (no appropriate retarget option at the time)
- Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 February 20 § Qatar 2023 – Retarget to 2023 in Qatar
- Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 March 20 § France 2024 – Retarget to 2024 in France
- Australia 2032 → 2032 Summer Olympics (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Does not appear to be branded as "Australia 2032" from what I've searched, just as "Brisbane 2032". Hey man im josh (talk) 16:46, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
- I've added a number of related redirects in which "CountryName Year" redirects ended up being deleted or retargeted. There is precedence for deleting this redirect based on a number of deletions over the years. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:00, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
- The redirect seems like a reasonable aid to find the page. As redirects are for helping people find the right page, I don't think it should matter that the name is different from the official brand. It may be worth changing after 2032, but at the moment it seems fine. Safes007 (talk) 05:45, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Safes007: The point is that it's not the expect result based on the tens of thousands of other CountryName Year redirects that exist. As such, it's misleading because this isn't what one would expect to be the "right page". Hey man im josh (talk) 18:20, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- The redirect seems like a reasonable aid to find the page. As redirects are for helping people find the right page, I don't think it should matter that the name is different from the official brand. It may be worth changing after 2032, but at the moment it seems fine. Safes007 (talk) 05:45, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 11:45, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per previous consensus on similar redirects, since 2032 in Australia doesn't exist yet. - Eureka Lott 15:46, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
Chengdu Airport
- Chengdu Airport → Chengdu Shuangliu International Airport (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
I was intending to move the disambiguation page Chengdu airport to this name for proper capitalization. However, the original creator of the redirect states that this is a common name for the target airport. Would need sources to confirm this, and I'm unsure if this is even an appropriate redirect (due to the disambiguation page). Johnj1995 (talk) 19:00, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- I feel like this is more appropriate to ask via a WP:RM on the disambiguation page (i.e., whether Chengdu airport should be moved to Chengdu airport (disambiguation) to make it a redirect to the same page as the nominated one). 1234qwer1234qwer4 19:23, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- @1234qwer1234qwer4:. The disambiguation page should be moved to either Chengdu Airport or Chengdu Airport (disambiguation) for consistency (see Beijing Airport, Shanghai Airport). Also, I don't know if this is even an appropriate target for Chengdu Airport, because non-Chinese users might be looking for Chengdu Tianfu International Airport, which is where all international flights to Chengdu are operated. Johnj1995 (talk) 21:01, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Make "Chengdu Airport" a full disambiguation page because both Chengdu Tianfu International Airport (international) and Chengdu Shuangliu International Airport (now domestic) are equally notable WhisperToMe (talk) 02:24, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- The status quo looks correct to me. Is Chengdu Tianfu International Airport commonly known as "Chengdu Airport"? The article gives "Tianfu Airport" as the shorthand for that one. On the other hand, the article says that the shorthand for Chengdu Shuangliu International Airport is "Chengdu Airport". As for the lowercase variant, one would be looking for an airport in Chengdu, not an airport named "Chengdu Airport". The disambiguation does list the airports in Chengdu, but I would suggest that Chengdu#Air is more helpful. -- Tavix 14:56, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Chengdu Shuangliu for years was the only Chengdu Airport, so lots of older sources rightfully called it "Chengdu Airport". However all of the international flights went to Tianfu after it opened, and many EN wikipedians may be thinking of Tianfu Airport now when typing in "Chengdu Airport". I would look at the post-Tianfu opening source usage to see if Shuangliu is still called "Chengdu Airport" without disambiguaion WhisperToMe (talk) 04:26, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support the creation of a disambiguation page as previously stated. The distinction between the two similarly named airports is not obvious to the uninitiated. Carguychris (talk) 17:40, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- Chengdu Shuangliu for years was the only Chengdu Airport, so lots of older sources rightfully called it "Chengdu Airport". However all of the international flights went to Tianfu after it opened, and many EN wikipedians may be thinking of Tianfu Airport now when typing in "Chengdu Airport". I would look at the post-Tianfu opening source usage to see if Shuangliu is still called "Chengdu Airport" without disambiguaion WhisperToMe (talk) 04:26, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Drafted a dab. Jay 💬 11:47, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Note that AssieBassie000 changed it from draft to disambiguation page by overwriting the redirect, and made it a duplicate of Chengdu airport, and then Bkonrad removed it completely. So now we have no draft for the uppercase version. If there is support for separate pages for the uppercase and lowercase versions, my version can be restored. Jay 💬 10:06, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment, no opinion about whether one of these airports should have a primary topic redirect. However, if consensus is to dabify, the existing lower case dab page should be moved and cleaned up rather than creating a duplicate. older ≠ wiser 18:06, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Dabify Assumed that "Chengdu Airport" isn't created yet, it would be plausible to create new disambiguation page of it contained two major airports in Chengdu (except if Chengdu Tianfu Airport isn't exist). 103.111.100.82 (talk) 23:38, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
Magik (film)
- Magik (film) → Benedict Cumberbatch (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Magik (2015 film) → Benedict Cumberbatch (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Situation I haven't run into here: This was a BLAR to an article that does not currently mention the subject, but restoring the article would go against WP:NFF, which means there isn't a snowball's chance in Hell that the article would survive AfD. I think the best approach is restore article but draftify, which is the better way to incubate something in development hell anyways. (Normally I wouldn't take something to RfD just to !vote restore, since anyone can do that, but if I were to unilaterally restore and draftify I feel like that would be backdoor deletion of the redirect.) -- Tamzin (they|xe) 00:56, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Restore/Draftify per nom. You make a good case for it, and I appreciate the reasoning for going through the RfD process. Fieari (talk) 01:22, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Although back in 2018 and 2019 it was restored twice so I think it probably should be restored and sent to AFD per WP:BLA and if it is desired to disambiguate (if the 2024 one is different) then the edit history should be moved to Magik (2018 film) and redirected to Magik (disambiguation) per WP:INCDAB. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:21, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Bundling the related redirect Magik (2015 film). Hyphenation Expert (talk) 04:09, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment - Well, this is really two separate issues. The draft(s) can be restored and draftified, if desired. What needs to be determined here is: Are these appropriate titles to point (i.e redirect) to targets in the mainspace? — GodsyCONT) 18:13, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete both per WP:NFF as the nom points out. This looks like a film that was shelved a long time ago. Unless there has been any recent updates there is no point in draftifying it because it'll just be deleted six months down the road. -- Tavix 20:12, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Well we can't predict now whether there will be updates in the next six months. But even if there aren't, having deleted history be at a draftspace title is helpful for if the film does get made years from now, letting a future editor know that they can have it undeleted. And if that doesn't happen and it does just get G13'd and never undeleted, then we're no worse off. -- Tamzin (they|xe) 06:03, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Given how long ago we're talking, I feel rather confident that there will be no updates in the next six months. Even if I'm wrong, I would rather deleted history be in mainspace rather than draftspace. The edit history would be less 'hidden' there because casual editors aren't as familiar with draftspace. -- Tavix 14:17, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Well we can't predict now whether there will be updates in the next six months. But even if there aren't, having deleted history be at a draftspace title is helpful for if the film does get made years from now, letting a future editor know that they can have it undeleted. And if that doesn't happen and it does just get G13'd and never undeleted, then we're no worse off. -- Tamzin (they|xe) 06:03, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete Magik (2015 film) at least – it has no meaningful page history and the year disambiguator doesn't apply anymore. Probably delete Magik (film) as well since there is very little chance the film will ever be made or be notable enough as an unmade film to have its own article. I don't see the point in draftifying it. Also, the current target is confusing. Mclay1 (talk) 01:02, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Restore and send to AfD as a disputed BLAR. Thryduulf (talk) 11:14, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
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Couch sex
Silly mountain
Hanshan Deqing can be "Silly Mountain" - "Crazy Mountain" is in the article, but "Silly Mountain" can be used to distinguish from Hanshan (poet) ("Cold Mountain"). The other items in the disambiguation page are different Chinese characters and I don't think any can be "Silly". There is also Silly Mountain (Arizona) - not sure if there should be a separate disambiguation page or (if there are only two uses) a redirect to one or the other. Peter James (talk) 11:32, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Yep, disambiguate these two meanings because neither seems to be primary for such a niche term. --Joy (talk) 10:17, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Silly Mountain (Arizona), or move that article to Silly Mountain and retarget there, possibly with a hatnote to it being an alternative name for Hanshan Deqing. The fact that "Silly Mountain" didn't even merit inclusion as a possible name at the latter article (which does include "foolish mountain" as well as the above mentioned "Crazy Mountain") seems to indicate to me that the Arizona mountain is what someone would be looking for searching under this, though it's a plausible translation and probably makes sense to hatnote. Dylnuge 23:04, 11 August 2024 (UTC) (edited 01:03, 5 September 2024 (UTC))
- @Dylnuge that could just be happenstance, though. We should probably avoid focusing on editor behavior (what is currently written in Wikipedia), rather on reader behavior (what is actually out there in the real world that should be documented by an encyclopedia; WP:RF). So we should probably answer these kinds of questions:
- Is it likely that the bulk of our readers would associate this term with a single topic as the bulk of sources would do the same?
- Is it an ambiguous name that our readers might encounter in reference to several topics in sources?
- --Joy (talk) 08:32, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- I couldn't find any reliable sources that call Hanshan Dequing "Silly Mountain". Googling for it shows a few dozen self-published sites and college papers, but it's not clear to me it's a common translation in literature at all. Searching for "Silly Mountain" on its own pretty exclusively brings up stuff about the Arizona mountain. Did you find sources indicating otherwise? Dylnuge 14:36, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Per Steel1943 and Jay's comments, I see no issue with the proposed move of Silly Mountain (Arizona) to Silly Mountain. Either way this redirect should target that article. Dylnuge 01:03, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Dylnuge that could just be happenstance, though. We should probably avoid focusing on editor behavior (what is currently written in Wikipedia), rather on reader behavior (what is actually out there in the real world that should be documented by an encyclopedia; WP:RF). So we should probably answer these kinds of questions:
- Retarget and add a hatnote. What matters is whether sources exist and how prevalent they are, not whether they are reliable or not. Less than a minute on google found at least 7 sources that clearly identify this as a name for Hanshan Deqing, so it's clearly something that will be searched for. However, it is also clear that the mountain in Arizona is the primary topic so we should retarget there and add a hatnote. Thryduulf (talk) 18:02, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
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- I'm not sure why that's relevant, but obviously it can be created as a redirect to the same target when this is closed. Thryduulf (talk) 19:28, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- Silly Mountain (Arizona), a title that is "Silly Mountain ([disambiguator])", and WP:PRECISE. (Didn't know that needed explanation to why it's incredibly relevant; it's de facto an issue since the base title does not exist.) Steel1943 (talk) 19:58, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not sure why that's relevant, but obviously it can be created as a redirect to the same target when this is closed. Thryduulf (talk) 19:28, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- Move Silly Mountain (Arizona) to Silly Mountain and hatnote to the monk. Retarget Silly mountain to Silly Mountain as an alternate capitalization. Jay 💬 22:38, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Move as suggested by Jay. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 21:14, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Move Silly Mountain (Arizona), then Retarget there, add hatnote to Hanshan - As per above. This is the sensible solution. Reiterating that hatnotes and redirects do not require reliable sources, but merely evidence of use... non-standard names still can be found in the wild and then searched for by users, and we want to help those people as much as possible. Fieari (talk) 05:52, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
Autofire
- Autofire → Turbo button (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Auto-fire → Turbo button (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Auto fire → Vehicle fire (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Ambiguous redirect, not mentioned in target article. ~Liance 18:37, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. A Google search found nothing related. --Un assiolo (talk) 11:43, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget back to game controller. It's not mentioned there, but it is on several of its subarticles like joystick. —Cryptic 12:50, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Automatic firearms are most commonly referred to as simply "automatic", or at most "automatic fire", in my experience, but I'm willing to accept that some variant of "auto[- ]?fire" can refer to them in other dialects. A dab is fine by me. Turbo button shouldn't be mentioned except maybe as a label of the button on gamepads, not the 286-era clock speed button our article there is about; this is the origin of that target, and Turbo button was an extended dab including that sense from its very first edit until 2013. —Cryptic 01:22, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- retarget to Joystick where it's actually mentioned. Lee Vilenski 13:08, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Someone could be looking up this redirect intending to locate Automatic firearm. Steel1943 (talk) 17:24, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Note I've added two related redirects to this discussion. Thryduulf (talk) 18:53, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Disambig. The game controller sense is most common for me on Google but the firearms sense is most common on Wikipedia, indicating no primary topic. However all three spellings are plausible search terms for both of these, and while the vehicle fire sense seems only to be used in the two-word form it is not primary for that spelling. My very weak preference is for the disambig to be at Auto fire but it doesn't really matter as long as all three lead to it. Thryduulf (talk) 18:53, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- DABify per Thryduulf. The repeatedly hitting a game controller button sense of the word is most primary to me, but there does seem to be evidence that it is not in fact the WP:PTOPIC overall, so a disambiguation page is necessary. Fieari (talk) 23:29, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- 'dabify at auto fire (since that's the only one that could refer to an automotive vehicle being on fire), and add values for automatic firearm (automatic firing; full auto; ie. machine gun) and autonomous weapon systems (automatic targetting and firing) -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 04:00, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
One-up
- One-up → Life (video games)#Extra lives (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- One-Up → Life (video games)#Extra lives (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- One up → Life (video games)#Extra lives (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- One ups → The finger (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Oneupmanship should be a more appropriate target. Definition of "one-up" is "to practice oneupmanship on" per Merriam Webster. The video game term is spelled exclusively as "1-up" in the target article. "One ups" isn't even mentioned in the finger. ~Liance 18:09, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Also - One Up should most likely be moved to One Up (Central Cee song) and targeted to whichever article is ultimately decided as the most appropriate by consensus. ~Liance 18:31, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Disambig. I'm not seeing any evidence of a primary topic. Thryduulf (talk) 19:37, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- DABify - I don't think that the fact that "1-up" is the standard rendition means that a gamer wouldn't say or write "one up" sometimes, but Oneupmanship is equally a valid target. Where there are multiple valid targets, we disambiguate. I agree that One Up should be moved per Liance above, and then retargeted to the new DAB (which should include said song). Fieari (talk) 05:56, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Dabify per above --Lenticel 06:56, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- DAB there's clearly at least three target articles here (extra life, middle finger and oneupmanship) so a dab is suitable without a suitable primary topic. Lee Vilenski 13:12, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
Moravec s paradox
- Moravec s paradox → Moravec's paradox (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Replacing an apostrophe by a space seems like an WP:UNNATURAL error. 1234qwer1234qwer4 16:58, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 11:44, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
John Biden
Tagged as a misspelling but I don't believe this to be a likely or expected typo. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:02, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - maybe not super common (and arguably, we only have a few weeks since creation of the redirect) - but it appears it is not zero, so I'd say there is no harm in keeping the redirect around since redirects are WP:CHEAP if there is no other more notable John Biden that it should point to instead. We should just tag it as non-printworth, which I'll do now. Raladic (talk) 16:10, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Not a misspelling or typo, but a misremembering of the name that gets more results than I expected. Thryduulf (talk) 19:42, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Not Joe Biden's name, not a typo, has never been misrepresented as or called "John" in his life, no mention of it in the article. Thus no justification for a redirect. Not everything on the Wikipedia can be stupid-proofed, if a reader cannot differentiate John vs. Joe, that is to low of a bar to play to. Zaathras (talk) 21:36, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Uncommon, potentially WP:BLP erroneous name that blocks Wikipedia's search function from displaying any information we may have on any actual "John Biden" subjects. Steel1943 (talk) 17:14, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete My searches don't turn up enough uses to convince me this is a common error. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 02:41, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- we have Joe Bidon, Jo Biden, Joel Biden, Joe bidne, Jose Biden, Joe Bydin, Joe Bidin... why not John Biden? Specially cause Jo is the same syllable as John in English (a stress-timed language). Web-julio (talk) 16:56, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Family of Joe Biden where a "John Biden" ancestor is mentioned. Anybody looking for Joe Biden himself has easy access to the Joe Biden article from there. -- Tavix 17:31, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget per Tavix
- Web-julio (talk) 19:11, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
Kondan (24°48′N 95°2′E)
- Kondan (24°48′N 95°2′E) → Tonehein Khondan (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No reason for coordinates in a redirect title, and there are no sources that suggest this title will be particularly useful for navigating (i.e.: nothing actually calls the subject by its coordinate name). Bobby Cohn (talk) 15:16, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete and delete all similar- there are a lot of these left over from a large disamb renaming/page moving that I did of many villages added in northern Sagaing Region. If any Myanmar villages with coordinates are still found, please ping me as I can find a more natural disamb. EmeraldRange (talk/contribs) 15:24, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- I came across this single instance during WP:NPP but there weren't any others listed like it in the feed. Do you happen to know where I could find a full list of these? Bobby Cohn (talk) 15:26, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- I think most of the others got approved by others during NPP. Unfortunately, I didn't save the original list. The three RMs at Talk:Al Mushayrifah (31°30′0″N 35°52′0″E)#Requested move 28 December 2023 , Talk:Hunawng (24°49"N 94°53"E)#Requested move 29 December 2023 and Talk:Panglong (23°53'0"N 98°22'0"E)#Requested move 30 December 2023 are where I got the list to go through all the Burmese villages. The late RMs got deleted, however- I think the places listed there are in my user contribution history of new pages made from 15 March to 18 March. EmeraldRange (talk/contribs) 16:04, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- I came across this single instance during WP:NPP but there weren't any others listed like it in the feed. Do you happen to know where I could find a full list of these? Bobby Cohn (talk) 15:26, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Vanguard Entertainment
Subject is not mentioned at the target page. IceWelder [✉] 14:59, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete not only is this not mentioned at the target (or anywhere else) the only connection between the two seems to be they both publish iOS games. The deleted history is unrelated. Thryduulf (talk) 19:50, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Moldorm
- Moldorm → List of The Legend of Zelda characters#Nightmares (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned in the target article. The subject of this redirect is a "boss" enemy in several The Legend of Zelda titles, leaving there potentially no target for this redirect. Steel1943 (talk) 07:48, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect target changed. Apokrif (talk) 09:07, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- I reverted this change, considering this RFD is open. Per the edit I reverted, seems their intent was to "retarget to List of fictional worms#Video games". Steel1943 (talk) 17:09, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator comment: I oppose "retarget to List of fictional worms#Video games" since the subject of this redirect has affinity to the Legend of Zelda series, meaning readers looking up this term probably are not trying to locate an article about fictional worms. Steel1943 (talk) 17:09, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- Target can be changed while the RFD is active. As the article about fictional worms is the only place where the meaning of this word is explained, it's an appropriate target. Apokrif (talk) 17:17, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- The hidden message appears with every transclusion of {{RfD}} while editing the tagged redirect: <!-- End of RFD message. Don't edit anything above here. Feel free to edit below here, but do NOT change the redirect's target. --> You literally were shown that message while you were making your edit: Changing the redirect's target for any reason not considered maintenance during an active RFD discussion is considered disruptive. Steel1943 (talk) 17:29, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- What's the point of this discussion (to which almost nobody takes part)? We can just change the redirect target like I did and call it a day. Apokrif (talk) 00:58, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- Traditionally,
WP:SILENCEWP:NOQUORUM = nominator's proposal ("delete" by default), but that doesn't apply anymore since you have voiced an opinion for a retargeting option, and I don't agree with it. Steel1943 (talk) 04:33, 13 August 2024 (UTC)- Fixed the link I meant. Steel1943 (talk) 13:19, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Traditionally,
- What's the point of this discussion (to which almost nobody takes part)? We can just change the redirect target like I did and call it a day. Apokrif (talk) 00:58, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- The hidden message appears with every transclusion of {{RfD}} while editing the tagged redirect: <!-- End of RFD message. Don't edit anything above here. Feel free to edit below here, but do NOT change the redirect's target. --> You literally were shown that message while you were making your edit: Changing the redirect's target for any reason not considered maintenance during an active RFD discussion is considered disruptive. Steel1943 (talk) 17:29, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- Target can be changed while the RFD is active. As the article about fictional worms is the only place where the meaning of this word is explained, it's an appropriate target. Apokrif (talk) 17:17, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete as the Moldorm boss does not originate from Link's Awakening; it first appeared in the game immediately before this one and so people looking for it are equally likely to be looking up the ALttP incarnation as the LA one. I'm not willing to Pokemon Test random LoZ bosses. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v 17:01, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete or Retarget per Apokrif, no strong feelings either way. I don't see what the issue with the retarget is, except that its a one-liner and not very useful. The list entry does say
Moldorm, from The Legend of Zelda and its sequels.
Jay 💬 10:30, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 16:22, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Feminist Perspectives on Eating Disorders
- Feminist Perspectives on Eating Disorders → Eating disorder (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Feminist perspectives on eating disorders → Eating disorder (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- A Feminist Perspective → Eating disorder (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. Otherwise, only appears to occur in references on the English Wikipedia. 1234qwer1234qwer4 19:19, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
Retarget A Feminist Perspective to Jo Freeman - one of her books is entitled Women: A Feminist Perspective, which is the only exact match (including capitalization) for the term we have.Neutral on the other two. Tevildo (talk) 23:24, 14 August 2024 (UTC)- That does not seem to be exactly true, as there is also A Feminist Perspective on Virtue Ethics by Sandrine Bergès, An Introduction to the Old Testament: A Feminist Perspective by Alice L. Laffey, The Pakistan Project: A Feminist Perspective on Nation & Identity by Rubina Saigol, Educating for Peace: A Feminist Perspective by Birgit Brock-Utne (just not mentioned at the article, but could be), and a bunch of articles and essays with this WP:PTM mentioned in articles as well. 1234qwer1234qwer4 13:21, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Seems like a disambiguation page filled with WP:SUBTITLEs. (I've always wondered if WP:SUBTITLE is a stronger stance than WP:PTM ... guess we will find out.) Steel1943 (talk) 15:11, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate A Feminist Perspective per the above - or, if we can't disambiguate on subtitles, retargetting it to Feminism or Feminist theory might be an alternative. But we shouldn't preserve the status quo in this case. Tevildo (talk) 07:40, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- That does not seem to be exactly true, as there is also A Feminist Perspective on Virtue Ethics by Sandrine Bergès, An Introduction to the Old Testament: A Feminist Perspective by Alice L. Laffey, The Pakistan Project: A Feminist Perspective on Nation & Identity by Rubina Saigol, Educating for Peace: A Feminist Perspective by Birgit Brock-Utne (just not mentioned at the article, but could be), and a bunch of articles and essays with this WP:PTM mentioned in articles as well. 1234qwer1234qwer4 13:21, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom. Disambiguating based on subtitles is silly. No one is searching for a book based on the subtitle. --Un assiolo (talk) 16:17, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Aušautas
- Aušautas → List of Lithuanian gods and mythological figures (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Ausautas → List of Lithuanian gods and mythological figures (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Does not seem to be mentioned on the English Wikipedia. 1234qwer1234qwer4 22:56, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- I have tagged Aušautas as an {{R from merge}}. Probably retarget Ausautas to Ausātas. Jay 💬 19:31, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
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Aušlavis
- Aušlavis → List of Lithuanian gods and mythological figures (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Auslavis → List of Lithuanian gods and mythological figures (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Does not seem to be mentioned in any article on the English Wikipedia, though this is linked from the {{Baltic religion}} navigational template. 1234qwer1234qwer4 22:59, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- I have tagged Aušlavis as an {{R from merge}}. Jay 💬 19:29, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
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Diedievaite
- Diedievaite → List of Lithuanian gods and mythological figures (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Does not seem to be mentioned on the English Wikipedia. Correctly diacriticised Diedievaitė does not exist. 1234qwer1234qwer4 23:02, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- I have tagged it as an {{R from merge}}. Jay 💬 19:23, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
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Bute (mythology)
- Bute (mythology) → List of Lithuanian gods and mythological figures (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. Correctly diacriticised Butė does not exist, and only mention of that spelling on the English Wikipedia is an unrelated surname at the 2019 Lithuanian presidential election article. 1234qwer1234qwer4 23:04, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Bute (Greek mythology) redirects to Butes.
Bundle that here, orretarget to Butes. Jay 💬 19:18, 18 August 2024 (UTC)- I see no reason to bundle a redirect that points at its unambiguous meaning. 1234qwer1234qwer4 15:09, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
- You're right. Struck off the bundling part. Jay 💬 13:08, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- I see no reason to bundle a redirect that points at its unambiguous meaning. 1234qwer1234qwer4 15:09, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Retarget to Butes as a plausible target. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 21:17, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Karorius
- Karorius → List of Lithuanian gods and mythological figures (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Does not seem to be mentioned on the English Wikipedia. 1234qwer1234qwer4 23:06, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- I have tagged it as an {{R from merge}}. Jay 💬 19:24, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
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Ringie
Slang term not described at target but listed at Longtail (rat) (which is somehow not linked from the Rat article). There appears to be an unrelated meaning at Two-up, though. 1234qwer1234qwer4 19:25, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
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Ǝ́
Ə is a different letter from Ǝ, but neither article mentions this diacriticised character. 1234qwer1234qwer4 22:27, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
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Nerubian
- Nerubian → Gameplay of World of Warcraft (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. Mentioned once in passing at Mummy (undead) and at World of Warcraft: The War Within but neither of those have enough substance to support a redirect. * Pppery * it has begun... 15:08, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - Could probably be added to List of fictional arthropods if reasonable sourcing exists. — GodsyCONT) 04:58, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
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Hozen
- Hozen → Gameplay of World of Warcraft (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. Mentioned a few times at World of Warcraft: Mists of Pandaria but search is finding a number of unrelated uses so I'm not sure the fictional race is the primary topic. * Pppery * it has begun... 15:08, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - Could probably be added to List of fictional primates if reasonable sourcing exists. — GodsyCONT) 04:53, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- comment would this be a good redirect for Hōzen-ji the "ji" part just means temple --Lenticel 02:51, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Retarget to Hōzen-ji, this looks like the WP:PTOPIC to me. Fieari (talk) 23:35, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Hōzen-ji per my comment above --Lenticel 00:46, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
Undermine (Warcraft)
- Undermine (Warcraft) → Warcraft#Azeroth (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. * Pppery * it has begun... 15:21, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to World of Warcraft: Cataclysm as {{r without mention}} for now; could easily be covered there. — GodsyCONT) 04:28, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- That's just an invitation to add more unwanted fancruft. No. * Pppery * it has begun... 05:52, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
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High Council of Lordaeron
- High Council of Lordaeron → Warcraft#Azeroth (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. * Pppery * it has begun... 15:21, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 16:04, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Vashj'ir
Not mentioned at target. * Pppery * it has begun... 15:21, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to World of Warcraft: Cataclysm as {{r without mention}} for now; could easily be covered there. — GodsyCONT) 04:19, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- That's just an invitation to add more unwanted fancruft. No. * Pppery * it has begun... 05:52, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- It is one of a handful of primary locations introduced with the expansion. Should already be mentioned. It is not arcane cruft. — GodsyCONT) 06:01, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
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Blademaster (Warcraft)
- Blademaster (Warcraft) → Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. * Pppery * it has begun... 00:50, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. The redirect doesn't have an ambiguous target and discussion of the heroes is available there, even if the blademasters isn't called out as being one such. IznoPublic (talk) 02:41, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete unless a mention is added. Readers searching this phrase will be led to nothing with the current situation. Steel1943 (talk) 16:44, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom and Steel1943. --Un assiolo (talk) 16:05, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Death Knight (Warcraft III)
- Death Knight (Warcraft III) → Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This is at least unambiguous due to the disambiguation, but the sole mention of "death knight" at the target is Now an Undead Death Knight, Arthas meets with the leader of the dreadlords, Tichondrius, who tasks him with resurrecting Kel'Thuzad
, which isn't really enough substance to support a redirect. * Pppery * it has begun... 00:02, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 16:06, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Adam Angligena
- Adam Angligena → Dictionary of National Biography (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
A person who was redirected to a subpage about doubtful biographies in the DNB, which itself was just merged into the Dictionary itself. It's safe to say that this redirect has been useless since around 2014. OhHaiMark (talk) 14:11, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- So, I have comments. Apocryphal biographies in the Dictionary of National Biography was not merged into Dictionary of National Biography. After surviving an AfD in 2018 at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Apocryphal biographies in the Dictionary of National Biography, where deletion had no support, an end run round process took place in 2019 with a merge notice added in July, and then the page simply redirected, five days later, by the same editor. Not very different from an out-of-process deletion, that.
- If an "Apocryphal biographies" section had been added to the DNB article, Adam Angligena could be an anchored redirect to that section. The argument has been put that the existence in the DNB of not obviously fictitious but made up people is of encyclopedic interest. I support that argument.
- The way this issue has been handled does make it unclear what to do about Adam Angligena, but that's a by-product of high-handed actions five years ago. Charles Matthews (talk) 15:09, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
OoX
- OoX → The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Seasons and Oracle of Ages (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Misleading redirect if the intent is to refer to a game in the The Legend of Zelda series with "X" referring to a letter wild card (for this target, the respective acronyms would be "OoA" and "OoS"): This redirect could also refer to The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time, which is "OoT". Steel1943 (talk) 15:53, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- results gave me... birbs and madness combat. delete cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 15:58, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, possibly with a hatnote. My results are a roughly equal mix of Zelda (with the term used to refer to the two titles collectively), World of Warcraft ("OOX refers to a series of mechanical chickens created by Oglethorpe Obnoticus" which might as well be written in Greek for all it means to me) and random non-notable stuff. List of airports in Ukraine#Military bases tells me OOX is the IATA code for Melitopol Air Base but that isn't mentioned in the article. I can't find any mention of the WoW meaning on Wikipedia (but someone who understands the game should check that) but the collective term for the Zelda games should be. A hatnote to the air base (and WoW if mentioned) would seem to be useful but I'm not going to lose any sleep if others disagree with that. Thryduulf (talk) 18:13, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- So ... an ambiguous redirect with no connection to either subject at its current target should ... remain with a hatnote placed at the current target? Seems nonsensical. What would make more sense would be to create a disambiguation page and deregulate the current target to a "See also" section. (I'm still in the "delete" camp, but "disambiguate" makes more sense than "keep and hatnote" here since the "keep" part just doesn't make sense.) And I'm just itching to cite WP:PANDORA and claim this opens the door for other wildcard redirects ... maybe XBC (I know there's already an article there) for ABC, NBC, etc? Steel1943 (talk) 18:39, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Extremely ambiguous with no primary topic. Let the readers type up a more specific search term or let the search function do its job. Ca 04:05, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
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- @Steel1943:
an ambiguous redirect with no connection to either subject at its current target
the redirect refers collectively to both of the games the target article is about. That's very much not "no connection to either subject". When something is ambiguous between one notable and multiple non-notable things, or where only one of the things is mentioned on Wikipedia, then redirecting to the only place we have relevant content is normal and more helpful to readers than deletion. Here the term refers to exactly three notable things, one of which is very clearly not the primary topic (the airbase) and two things which could be primary (Zelda and WoW). However we only have content about one of the latter two (Zelda) so we should redirect there. I don't object to a dab page, but Zelda would be a full entry not a see also. Thryduulf (talk) 10:52, 22 August 2024 (UTC)- even if wikipedia had those wild cards for disambiguating (like xrt and eox being dabs for the first
twofive pokémon mystery dungeon games), this redirect could refer to 3 games in a single franchise, with a disambiguator that isn't even popularly used to refer to any of them in the first place. this redirect would require leaps of logic and frivolous details bordering on gamefaqs-style fancruft to keep or dabify... for the most part, anyway. i won't argue for or against the air base cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 13:38, 22 August 2024 (UTC)- Except it is commonly used to refer to the games collectively. I have no knowledge about whether the Pokemon games are referred to collectively at all/in that manner, but if they are then they should be included on the relevant dab pages. Windows 3.x is not used to refer to any operating system specifically but it is used to refer to them collectively so we have a disambiguation page. Thryduulf (talk) 17:38, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
- a more thorough look into the results gave me... just as little association with tloz as before. one result among a myriad of mechanical birds and... instagram usernames probably proves that usage of this wild card is too niche for wikipedia at best cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 19:35, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Except it is commonly used to refer to the games collectively. I have no knowledge about whether the Pokemon games are referred to collectively at all/in that manner, but if they are then they should be included on the relevant dab pages. Windows 3.x is not used to refer to any operating system specifically but it is used to refer to them collectively so we have a disambiguation page. Thryduulf (talk) 17:38, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
- even if wikipedia had those wild cards for disambiguating (like xrt and eox being dabs for the first
Nominator vote update: super weak retarget to Melitopol Air Base. I verified "OOX" was the IATA code for Melitopol Air Base, and added the code to the article, as well as created the respective redirect OOX pointing towards Melitopol Air Base. However, I still prefer deletion since IATA codes are in all caps always. (Other than that, I believe I have already made my other relevant points in this discussion and am refraining from further participating in order to avoid performing a WP:BLUDGEON.) Steel1943 (talk) 17:57, 22 August 2024 (UTC)- Never mind on all that: Seems the connection between "OOX" and Melitopol Air Base is potential WP:OR per an edit that reverted something I did. Forget that then. (Still "delete" on this redirect.) Steel1943 (talk) 20:07, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
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Arakkoa
- Arakkoa → Gameplay of World of Warcraft (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Minor plot element not mentioned anywhere on Wikipedia. * Pppery * it has begun... 15:08, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- As the creator, happy for this to die. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 23:14, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - Could probably be added to List of fictional birds or one of it subsets, if reasonable sourcing exists. — GodsyCONT) 05:03, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment The Arakkoa have enough sourcing for a mention, see here. I'd say it should probably be mentioned in and retargeted to World of Warcraft: Warlords of Draenor, which introduced the Spires of Arak area with a lot of Arakkoa characters, I'm just not sure where. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 23:19, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 16:09, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
V̂
- V̂ → Circumflex (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- T̂ → Circumflex (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- D̂ → Circumflex (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No description of the character or its usage at the target; delete to encourage article creation. 1234qwer1234qwer4 23:05, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
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Terrorblade
- Terrorblade → Defense of the Ancients (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. * Pppery * it has begun... 00:50, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 16:10, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Dota: Dragon's Blood as he is the primary antagonist there. --Lenticel 07:09, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
Banehallow
- Banehallow → Defense of the Ancients (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. * Pppery * it has begun... 00:50, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 16:10, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
2017 PGL Open Bucharest
- 2017 PGL Open Bucharest → Dota 2#Esports (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. * Pppery * it has begun... 01:05, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 16:10, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Death Prophet
- Death Prophet → Defense of the Ancients (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. * Pppery * it has begun... 00:50, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 16:10, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Restore without prejudice to AfD or merger. Surprisingly to me this is not ambiguous, but one editor's opinion that the topic is not notable is not justification for deletion of article content - especially not when there are so many sources available that potentially indicate notability. Thryduulf (talk) 19:54, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Yabbying
a "yabby" (or cherax) is a type of crayfish, and "yabbying" refers to fishing for yabbies. was going to retarget to yabby and call it a day, but it turns out that's a dab, and there are two fish that can be referred to as "yabby", though the verb seems to refer mostly to the crayfish. opinions? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 15:55, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Retarget to disambiguation page. --Un assiolo (talk) 16:12, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to the dab page. I think it's possible that it can also refer to the other fish --Lenticel 08:45, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Yabby (disambiguation). Enix150 (talk) 19:29, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
Looting the seas
- Looting the seas → Sustainable fishery#Looting the seas (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Looting the Seas → Sustainable fishery#Looting the seas (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
refers to a series of journalistic investigations by the international consortium of investigative journalists on sussy stuff in the fishing scene. no longer mentioned in the target or in the icoij's article, so all we're left with is a vague term that could refer to pirates for all we know cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 16:05, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 16:12, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Priestess of the Moon
- Priestess of the Moon → Defense of the Ancients (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. And not even correct if it were - Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos is the original use, and Tyrande Whisperwind before her article was BLARed would also have been reasonable. But none of those mention it either. Maybe retarget to Moon magic or Lunar deity as a last-ditch genericization, but that's well, grabbing desperately to see if anything sticks so I would just delete. * Pppery * it has begun... 00:50, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Lunar deity. There are some works that claim Priestess of the Moon as the protagonist. Ahri Boy (talk) 01:54, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete seems apropos per nom. IznoPublic (talk) 03:00, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Enheduanna who was (high) priestess of the moon (god). The only uses of the phrase on en.wp are in relation to her. Thryduulf (talk) 11:23, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- The search results are almost all about the game character [27], in fact, I'm struggling to find anything not related to the game [28]. Leaning delete. If the capitalisation were different, I'd be more inclined to retarget, but it isn't, so I'm not. Cremastra (talk) 22:52, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete. Enheduanna was the "priestess of the moon god Nanna", not the "priestess of the Moon". Not mentioned at Lunar deity. --Un assiolo (talk) 16:14, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per Un assiolo. I think we should just let the search function do its thing for this particular search phrase --Lenticel 00:45, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
SL i-League Invitational Season 3
- SL i-League Invitational Season 3 → Dota 2#Esports (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. * Pppery * it has begun... 01:05, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 16:15, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Esyllabus
- Esyllabus → Syllabus (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Online syllabus → Syllabus (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Electronic syllabus → Syllabus (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Online course syllabus → Syllabus (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Target currently does not mention online education. Possibly retarget to Online school or a similar target (see also the "Online education" redirects below)? 1234qwer1234qwer4 13:05, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
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Notional-functional syllabus
- Notional-functional syllabus → Syllabus#Notional-functional (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Notional-Functional Syllabus → Syllabus (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Functional-notional syllabus → Syllabus (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Notional syllabus → Syllabus (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. There is a redlink of "Functional syllabus" at Glossary of language education terms#F, though that does not mention "notional". 1234qwer1234qwer4 13:14, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
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Gogaku
- Gogaku → Language education (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Kobe (gogaku) → Language education (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. Other than a passing mention at National_Diet_Library#Digital_Library_from_the_Meiji_Era, search results for "Gogaku" on the English Wikipedia appear to be surnames or other unrelated topics. 1234qwer1234qwer4 13:22, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per WP:RFOREIGN. Apparently, it's Japanese for "study of foreign languages; linguistics". --Un assiolo (talk) 16:27, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Chapter Two: MADMAX
Melbourne Commonwealth Games (disambiguation)
- Melbourne Commonwealth Games (disambiguation) → Melbourne Commonwealth Games (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
I've converted the DAB page back into a redirect as the games are not going to happen in Melbourne - added a hatnote to the 2006 games instead. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 09:23, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Slap Pack
- Slap Pack → History of Saturday Night Live (1980–1985) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Appears to be an extremely obscure term for "Bad Boys of SNL" which is already a redirect to "History of Saturday Night Live". This redirect is obscure and unnecessary. StewdioMACK (talk) 08:11, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 16:28, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
-U-
Not a plausible search term for Ustaše. Safari Scribe 07:53, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment neither Google nor the internal search engine (nor any other search engine I'm aware of) distinguish between "-U-" and "U" so it is impossible to use them to verify how the term is used ("U" obviously being overwhelmingly more common). Thryduulf (talk) 10:31, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Implausible search term and not useful. I think this symbol may be used by Croatian neo-Nazis on the internet, but it seems unlikely that someone unfamiliar with this would see it and then look it up on the English Wikipedia. People who speak Serbo-Croatian already know what the U represents. In the unlikely scenario that an English speaker sees this and looks it up, the redirect isn't very helpful because it provides no context on the symbol itself as used in the present day. You can look up "ušato U" for the symbol this is meant to represent, which is itself a variant of the symbol seen in the infobox at Ustaše. --Un assiolo (talk) 18:09, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- I wouldn't be surprised if this gets used in some sort of Internet vernacular, could it be a plausible search term? Goodness knows fringe organization sympathisers congregate in Internet forums, so it's plausible that they may have developed this sort of a shorthand without regular people noticing, and then it might be useful to allow regular people to look this up if encountered... In general, I'd say the listing at U#Other uses probably suffices, though our search results for -U- would not be useful to find U, the reader would have to first prune the symbols manually. (BTW I noticed we also used to have =U=, but it was deleted in Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 April 4#=U=.) --Joy (talk) 09:26, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
,la
Doesn't add any search aid to the target, Kamala Harris. Safari Scribe 07:49, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: I don't see the relevance to Kamala. StewdioMACK (talk) 08:13, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Seriously? ,la → comma la → kama la → Kamala. —В²C ☎ 22:00, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, common variant of Comma la reference. Hyphenation Expert (talk) 12:58, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Common, really? Is anyone actually typing this to try and find Kamala's article? StewdioMACK (talk) 17:08, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Kamala Harris says her first name is pronounced "comma" + "la". Ca 14:01, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep Not convinced this is the likeliest search term, but it is in use to refer to the VP (see, e.g., [29]). - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 21:21, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, I created it. It’s a nickname for her used on social media because she pronounces her name “comma la”, or “,la”. So someone might search for this. Plus it’s a convenient shortcut. Note that someone else created Comma la. What problem gets solved by deleting this? —-В²C ☎ 21:55, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - In use enough in the wild that someone could easily be confused by it and want to look it up, making it a plausible search term. I'm kinda surprised the Kamala Harris article doesn't have a sub-section regarding the pronunciation of her name, given that this topic has actually garnered a fair bit a media coverage and that the pronunciation of her name has been a political... thing-- deliberate mispronunciations by the opposing side to make her seem more foreign and to appeal to racists, for example. If such a section existed, I'd suggest refining to that section, but said section does not exist, so the existing target is fine. It will inform a confused searcher what it means well enough. Fieari (talk) 23:23, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Self-referencing WP:NEO WP:SEO at its finest. We really should trash this redirect, and maybe Comma la while we are at it. Steel1943 (talk) 17:07, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Fieari, B2C and Presidentman. This term is in use and people unfamilar with it will look it up on Wikipedia to find out who it is referring to and it will also be used by some people who can't remember how her name is spelled. Thryduulf (talk) 18:39, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- that's not a nickname for a politician, that's a pokémon. i'll make the unbelievably controversial vote that is weak keep. unless a source can be crammed somewhere in the article, in which case my vote can be changed to just keep. with that in mind, i found some, and will properly check them in a few minutes (3 hours) cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 19:19, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- took a little longer than 3 hours, but from a quick look, i found this, this, this, and no komala jokes whatsoever. politico and ap news (not listed under the abbreviated name) are apparently reliable enough per wp:rsp, and slate seems reliable enough per wp:nppsg (thanks, qoh), but i'm not an expert on yeehawland politics, so i'll leave opinions on whether or not those three are worth adding to her article to someone else. if they're determined usable, then keep. otherwise, forget the aforementioned weak keep in favor of a strong meh cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 01:53, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
1958 Independent Air Travel Vickers Viking crasb
Dingle Ridge, New York
- Dingle Ridge, New York → Southeast, New York (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
non-existent town name, only google search shows up for a street name Cowboygilbert - (talk) ♥ 04:28, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. There is also an electricity substation called "Dingle Ridge" about a mile away from the road, but neither are settlements, neither appear notable and neither are mentioned anywhere on enwp. Thryduulf (talk) 10:44, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Demonstation
This seems to be a typo of "demonstration", which is distinct from "protest" (the former is broader). However, demonstration is a dab. Maybe retarget there? Duckmather (talk) 02:06, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to the demonstration dab page. --Lenticel 09:11, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Someone may accidentally type out this redirect while trying to actually type "demon station" ... which seems to be a plausible erroneous search term for Demon FM. Steel1943 (talk) 17:10, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
Remonstrance
I don't think remonstrance is a synonym for "protest" (in the sense of a political protest). From what I can tell, it seems to be more of a synonym for disagreement instead. We do have disagreement, which is a dab (although I just tagged it with {{broad-concept article}}), and disagreeing, which is a redirect to argument. Perhaps wikt:remonstrance is the best target? Duckmather (talk) 02:05, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Set index. While Remonstration also redirects to Protest, I think reverting to the disambiguation page in the redirect history (converted to a redirect by Neelix) and converting it to a set index will be better. Note there are some pages with "remonstrance" in the title that aren't included on that last disambig revision. Thryduulf (talk) 10:51, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Set index as suggested by Thryduulf. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 21:23, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
November 12, 2001
- November 12, 2001 → American Airlines Flight 587 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not sure if American Airlines Flight 587 is the primary topic or if this should be redirected to November 12 or 2001#November. C F A 💬 16:26, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete This doesn't seem like a plausible search term for the target. The redirect was recently created and there are no links, so I don't really see a need to retarget either. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 19:23, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Similar RfDs have happened in the past which resulted in one of the previously mentioned targets, November 12 or 2001#November, being the optimal choice, but I cannot recall which one at the moment nor can I find the discussion(s). Either way, do not keep. Steel1943 (talk) 22:00, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to 2001#November where there are multiple entries for that date. For some reason American Airlines Flight 587 wasn't even listed there but I have corrected that. -- Tavix 18:18, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
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🎣
could likely also refer to angling, fishing rods, and fishing in general. really, the act of fishing for shits and giggles is the last possible target i'd expect cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 16:34, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- This is
U+1F3A3: FISHING POLE AND FISH
. Emojipedia identifies it as fishing pole. Retarget to fishing rod, which is where fishing pole points. - Eureka Lott 17:00, 27 August 2024 (UTC)- Retarget per Eureka Lott. Thryduulf (talk) 17:20, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Fishing. It's a broader target which would incorporate the "AND FISH" part of the definition. The emoji is employed when discussing fishing in general, not specifically for fishing poles. -- Tavix 18:01, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- I'd also be happy with this target, although it is by a very small margin second preference. Thryduulf (talk) 12:55, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: too ambiguous. Cremastra (talk) 19:39, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Retarget per Tavix. The Unicode text definition (which is ever-stable) takes precedence over the the appearance as the latter may change and may vary wildly depending on which font group/version is rendering it. — GodsyCONT) 06:57, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Fishing per Tavix. Fieari (talk) 23:24, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Fishing per Tavix. Enix150 (talk) 19:25, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
Niggling
Irrelevant redirect. Niggling is a form of the verb "niggle", but in the target page, "Niggle" is the name of a character. Batrachoseps (talk) 18:11, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- It's very relevant. In Letter 236, Tolkien states that "niggling" was natural to him, and apologizes for it. Scholars have noted the close association of the niggling professor and Niggle the character. Chiswick Chap (talk) 18:36, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
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Super Mario RPG 2
- Super Mario RPG 2 → Super Mario RPG#Legacy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Super mario rpg 2 → Super Mario RPG#Legacy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Ambiguous as all get out. Between the the 2023 remake, the Paper Mario series, and the Mario & Luigi series, it is unclear what this redirect could refer to. Steel1943 (talk) 20:19, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- funny thing. this was the japanese name for paper mario during its development, a fact that is mentioned in its article. outside of that, the name is also found in certain unused rooms in that game, but that hasn't been covered yet. retarget to paper mario (video game) cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:22, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator comment: I just noticed the existence of the previous discussion in 2021, and added the old RfD list template to this discussion. For what it's worth, if I had participated in the 2021 discussion, I would have voted "delete" then as well. Steel1943 (talk) 20:29, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- to be fair, then is no longer now cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 13:13, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. The current target explains the connection to Paper Mario and Mario & Luigi. A remake is not a sequel so I'm not convinced that the remake would be considered "Super Mario RPG 2". If others disagree, I think the solution would be to simply remove the anchor since the remake is also discussed at the same article. -- Tavix 15:53, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep per Tavix, who said basically what I would have said. Remakes aren't sequels, and Paper Mario may have been loosely connected but it really is its own thing, and the current target explains this well enough. Fieari (talk) 23:30, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Whoopsie daisy
- Whoopsie daisy → Baby talk (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Oopsie-daisy → Baby talk (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target (except in the hatnote). No other words redirect to this target and there is no list of words here (except for a few examples in the Vocabulary section). Per this article, both words are variants of Upsy daisy, which is a redirect to In the Night Garden.... Johnj1995 (talk) 21:31, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - This piece of writing on the topic is quite interesting. No great target for these at wikt:, nonetheless. — GodsyCONT) 07:28, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep - I actually think the current target is appropriate. If someone wants to know what "whoopsie daisy" means, being directed to the Baby talk article is all the explanation that really needs. (Kinda wish the article had the more formal "Child directed speech" title, but that's neither here nor there...) Fieari (talk) 23:28, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Soft redirect to Wiktionary plausible search term but not related to article. Wiktionary seems appropriate -1ctinus📝🗨 01:42, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, although babies may not understand. In a perfect Wikipedia this may be redirected to Notting Hill, where Hugh Grant said it either as a scripted or unscripted word as a minor although interesting plot point. Randy Kryn (talk) 22:57, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
Syracuse, Free municipal consortium of Syracuse
- Syracuse, Free municipal consortium of Syracuse → Syracuse, Sicily (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Created by a blocked user. "Free municipal consortium" phrase is not mentioned in the article. Implausible redirect. Delete. -1ctinus📝🗨 18:15, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. While the province of Syracuse has been the "free municipal consortium of Syracuse" since 2015, this does not seem like a useful redirect for navigation purposes. ----Kinu /c 23:31, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - Implausible search term. At 9 years old, it's a good idea to check for usage to see if we're catching any external links this way, but in those 9 years, the stats page says it's gotten ZERO hits per year. Not one or two, zero (until it went up here). That just confirms the implausibility of it, and also confirms there aren't any external links we need to worry about. Fieari (talk) 01:52, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Free municipal consortium of Syracuse and Syracuse, Free municipal consortium of are plausible search terms (the correctly capitalised variants even more so), but the combination is not. Thryduulf (talk) 01:55, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per above --Lenticel 06:21, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, extremely unlikely anyone will search for or include this specific phrase in an article. Constantine ✍ 10:55, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
Italian Second spring offensive
- Italian Second spring offensive → Italian second spring offensive (1941) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Inconsistent capitalization; I'd think capitalizing "second" but not "spring offensive" is not very plausible. /Rational 17:49, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete I agree this is implausible, particularly given that the stats show zero usage in the past four years. Fieari (talk) 01:54, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom --Lenticel 00:14, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
Doctor Who fortieth series
- Doctor Who fortieth series → Doctor Who series 14 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Seems to be an incorrect ordinal (40th instead of 14th). Not sure if there's a 40th season this could point to, so delete unless there's a clear and obvious retarget. /Rational 17:45, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Series 14 was the 40th series of doctor who, and some people in the discussion on the talk page claimed they could not fing the page for lack of a redirect, so I added it Cal3000000 (talk) 17:58, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Cal, above. Fieari (talk) 01:13, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Cal3000000 --Lenticel 01:20, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
Tobacco Tax Act
No "Tobacco Tax Act" is mentioned in the article article. Created by a blocked editor. Delete. -1ctinus📝🗨 17:44, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Weak Keep - While the exact string "Tobacco Tax Act" does not appear in the article, the article is, in very large part, about Tobacco Taxes in general. The fact that no country or region is specified means that we can't point to the Tobacco Tax act of any particular country... we'd need a disambiguator page that includes every country that has one of these things, which is likely to be most of the countries in the world, which seems a bit too much. I think this is the correct target for the term (as the WP:BROAD topic of the subject), but I'm open to other suggestions. Fieari (talk) 04:08, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- If you want to keep it (I still believe that the name is horrendously broad and sounds like a proper name despite not existing), I believe a more adequate target would be Tobacco smoking#Taxation. Cheers, -1ctinus📝🗨 13:51, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- I would not object to that target. Fieari (talk) 23:39, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- If you want to keep it (I still believe that the name is horrendously broad and sounds like a proper name despite not existing), I believe a more adequate target would be Tobacco smoking#Taxation. Cheers, -1ctinus📝🗨 13:51, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
List of cities in Clipperton Island
- List of cities in Clipperton Island → Clipperton Island#Politics and government (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Clippterton island has no cities. It is an uninhabited island. The linked section has no list of settlements. Delete. -1ctinus📝🗨 17:39, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for tagging me - I agree the topic itself doesn't exist, but to briefly explain my rationale behind creating it, there is an Template:Oceania topic "List of Cities in Oceania" which automatically populates itself with a redlink to 'List of Cities in Clipperton Island'. I wanted a way to avoid this redlink automatically appearing on dozens of pages in the template, and because I know very little about editing templates I didn't know how to exclude Clipperton Island from the list. Instead I created the redirect to the closest extant topic I could find. I'd note that Clipperton Island was formerly inhabited, and the section of the Clipperton Island page dealing with the history of these various settlements seems to be like the most helpful topic to redirect someone to if they were looking for this information (perhaps I should have linked to a different section of the page to achieve this). I'm happy if the decision is to delete the page but would request someone who knows more about templates finds a way to exclude Clipperton Island from the 'List of Cities in Oceania' template. GeorgmentO (talk) 23:05, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - Useful redirect, per Georgmen0 above. I think modifying said template would be significantly more work and effort than just keeping this template in place, and it does point to the nearest concept... and would explain the lack of cities to anyone clicking on the link. Fieari (talk) 07:19, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Poffin
- Poffin → Gameplay of Pokémon#Pokéblocks and Poffins (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
as with pokéblocks, it's unmentioned in the target, and only mentioned in passing in the gen 4 games' articles (diamond and pearl, platinum, and brilliant diamond and shining pearl). they seem at least a little more notable than pokéblocks, so i guess put a pin on them for a few minutes cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 17:20, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- took a little more than a few minutes, but i found nothing good. the one potentially almost usable thing i found turned out to be two sentences stretched to two paragraphs, completely worthless in its content, and also wrong, as it says that poffins boost stats. delete cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 23:05, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Weak Retarget to Puffin as this was a Middle English variant according to wiktionary. I'm also fine with deletion if my proposal is too much of a stretch. --Lenticel 08:58, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 13:56, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Elemental Stone
- Elemental Stone → Gameplay of Pokémon#Items (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
vague as fr*ck, and not even a commonly used term cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 17:14, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as ambiguous. This is not just a pokemon thing, elemental stones are used all across vast swathes of fantasy works, including (but by far not limited to) the Witcher, D&D, the Fifth Element, not to mention IRL new age mysticism... no primary target, and the term isn't really notable by itself to get a disambiguation page. So delete. Fieari (talk) 01:29, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as vague --Lenticel 00:09, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
LHS 2065
- The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
- Withdrawn by nominator. 21 Andromedae (talk) 18:17, 9 September 2024 (UTC) (non-admin closure)
LHS 2065 is not a brown dwarf. This paper states: Given the typical age of a disk Magazzu` star (a few gigayears), LHS 2065 would be a very low mass star rather than a massive brown dwarf.
I suggest retargrting to List of stars in Hydra as a better result. If this star is not in the list, an entry can be created. Actually, we can create an article about this star.}} 21 Andromedae (talk) 15:01, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
- So turn it into an article, that doesn't require an RfD. It does appear notable. SevenSpheres (talk) 15:57, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
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Blaze (Pokémon)
- Blaze (Pokémon) → Gameplay of Pokémon#Pokémon abilities (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
unmentioned and unimportant cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 17:10, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 13:57, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as not notable outside the franchise. I'm not sure if this ability is that notable inside the games. --Lenticel 00:11, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- it's literally only notable as a reason to dump a torchic and try to get a new one with speed boost cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 15:04, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
Awakening Stone
- Awakening Stone → Gameplay of Pokémon#Items (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
refers to the dawn stone, which is unmentioned. not aware of any other awakening stones cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 17:06, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as ambiguous. My first thought when seeing this was "Awakening stone sounds extremely generic, it must be used in all kinds of fantasy works." And a quick google search confirmed... octopath traveler, "He who fights with monsters", Dawn of Gods, World of Warcraft, LINE Rangers, new age crystal mysticism, Guardian Tales... and that's just the FIRST page of google. The list goes on, and on, and on. This is not a particularly notable term in any of these works, but it is extensively used. There's no good target, and it's not notable enough for an article itself or a disambiguation page, so delete it. Fieari (talk) 01:21, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per Fieari's findings --Lenticel 00:12, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
Geometrical Dominator
- Geometrical Dominator → Geometry Dash (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Geometrical Dominator is a level in the game Geometry Dash. However, none of the other game levels seem to have redirects and almost none of them are mentioned at the target. Should this redirect therefore be deleted? InterstellarGamer12321 (talk | contribs) 16:54, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Implausible search term. --Un assiolo (talk) 13:57, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- I wouldn't say it's implausible BombCraft8 12:45, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as too obscure and in-universe. --Lenticel 00:50, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete because it is not mentioned in the redirect target. BombCraft8 12:47, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
International Wrestling Hall of Fame
- International Wrestling Hall of Fame → National Wrestling Hall of Fame and Museum (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
While it is true that the International and U.S. Hall of Fames for amateur wrestling are in the same area, there is nothing more than a passing mention in the U.S. Hall of Fame's article. If possible, restore the original redirect at United World Wrestling. Sekundenlang (talk) 15:55, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
✶✶✶✶
While the flag does feature these stars, I'm not sure whether it's obviously related to the flag or whether some might relate it to star ratings. Hey man im josh (talk) 12:51, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to the dab at Four star to match ****. Thryduulf (talk) 13:07, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep The four six-pointed stars, specifically, seem to be more unique to Chicago's flag (compared to regular asterisks ****). I wondered if a mention on the dab Four star might be possible (in which case retarget would have been an option), but, as that dab isn't specific to four six-pointed stars, that would require mentioning all flags with four stars, which isn't practical for a disambiguation (or a list of them, which doesn't seem to exist). Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 22:00, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- The issue is whether this is a plausible search term for those looking for information about the flag of Chicago and no other topic, and it doesn't seem to be. Looking at google results for this as an exact phrase, none of the hits relate to the flag. two hits on page 3 are for the Chicago Brewhouse but the uses don't seem to relate to the flag but the star rating or decoration/emphasis/sparkle text that characterise almost all of the other uses. One hit at the bottom of page 4 is a facebook post entitled "We did it, #Chicago! ✶✶✶✶ Our city is... - Chef Rick Bayless" but I can't load the post so can't tell if the stars relate to the flag or are just decoration. The next result related to Chicago is a facebook video with the title "We did it, #Chicago! Our city is fully reopen, our staff is ..." that is almost certainly the same as the previous one - and this is in the middle of page 9. Between the two Chicago posts were two related to Maryland, two from Louisiana and one for a municipal library in Mendon, New York - all using the stars for emphasis or decoration; and many different star ratings (slightly more commonly for holiday accommodation in Austria than anything else). If this is kept though, a hatnote to the dab should be added. Thryduulf (talk) 01:42, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - Using the special unicode character for this particular kind of star does limit the ambiguity considerably. Unless someone can point out another thing that four of this specific kind of star should point to, I say keep it. Fieari (talk) 01:31, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Fieari see my long comment above. The most common use of four six-pointed stars is star ratings, followed by text decoration. I can find no evidence it is commonly used in reference to the flag. Thryduulf (talk) 10:26, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Implausible search term. No one is going to enter this obscure Unicode character into the search box. --Un assiolo (talk) 13:59, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- The stats show that people do use this redirect. Whether that's by inputting it into the internal search engine or by one of the many other ways people can use to find article content is neither knowable nor relevant. Thryduulf (talk) 20:01, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- I do think delete is the least desirable option here for what it's worth. Hey man im josh (talk) 21:43, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete who is even going to type this? It's had two views per month in the past months following creation. Traumnovelle (talk) 07:54, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think many people will type this, but that's not really an issue as they can copy/paste, follow links, etc. Thryduulf (talk) 10:33, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- No preference between retain or delete. If it remains extant, it should be retargeted to Four star (the article on the flag can be listed there in some way if desired). — GodsyCONT) 14:49, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Four star (disambiguation) per Thryduulf. Enix150 (talk) 20:02, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- REtarget to the disambiguation page -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 04:13, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
J Tuck
As far as I'm aware, and based on some searching, Justin Tucker is not known as "J Tuck". One source for this is Pro Football Reference, which would typically list player nicknames, even obscure ones that some might argue against including. Tom Brady is a good example of this, where it shows a number of nicknames in brackets beside his full name. There's also a number of people on Tuck (surname) that would likely serve as better targets, such as Jay Tuck. Hey man im josh (talk) 12:46, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Tuck (surname). The most common hit is for a "media personality" based in Kansas City about whom we don't seem to have any content (I have not investigated whether they are notable), but it's a plausible search term for multiple people listed at the surname page. Thryduulf (talk) 13:14, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Justin Tuck or Tuck (surname). When you look up "J Tuck" on google/internet, it usually comes up with Justin Tuck. However, Tuck (surname) would also be plausible as it would possibly match 8 people with their first initial and their surname. WhyIsThisSoHard575483838 (talk) 13:45, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. None of these retargets sound plausible to me. -1ctinus📝🗨 18:12, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- What seems implausible about redirecting "J Tuck" to a list of people called "J Tuck"? Thryduulf (talk) 21:14, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Tuck (surname) as the most useful target. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 21:31, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Tuck (surname) and let the readers find the article that they want to go to from there. --Lenticel 00:51, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
List of pokemon items
- List of pokemon items → Gameplay of Pokémon#Items (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- List of Pokémon abilities → Gameplay of Pokémon#Pokémon abilities (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- List of Pokemon abilities → Gameplay of Pokémon#Pokémon abilities (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
lists not present in the target, or anywhere here. list of pokémon items has already been deleted cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:31, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 14:00, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
PokéFlute
- PokéFlute → Gameplay of Pokémon#Items (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Pokeflute → Gameplay of Pokémon#Items (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
used to wake snorlax-shaped things up (such as snorlax); otherwise only mentioned twice in snorlax's article, but likely not in enough depth to warrant a redirect. opinions on retargeting there? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:24, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- I'd support retargetting to Snorlax. The sleepy way-blocking nature of Snorlax is pretty iconic. Ca 14:05, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Snorlax. The question I always ask when it comes to whether a redirect is worth it is, would following the redirect provide the searcher information about the subject they are searching for? And here, the answer is yes. It's not much information, but there really isn't much to say about it either, and this will provide all we have. Fieari (talk) 05:37, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Snorlax per Fieari. --Lenticel 06:50, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
Pokémaniac
- Pokémaniac → Gameplay of Pokémon (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
unmentioned trainer class (give or take a mention of a guy who likes blue things in master jouneys) cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:23, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 14:02, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete non notable trainer class. --Lenticel 00:57, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
Potion (Pokémon)
- Potion (Pokémon) → Gameplay of Pokémon#Items (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
unmentioned cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:20, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 14:02, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete not notable even in universe --Lenticel 06:50, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
Pokémon features
- Pokémon features → Gameplay of Pokémon#Game features (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Pokemon features → Gameplay of Pokémon (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
vague. could refer to gameplay, as it currently does, but also to literally any other trait of pokémon games or species, or things the franchise has done collabs with cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:14, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Features of Pokémon, the games? Features of Pokémon, the television series? Features of the fictional Pokémon in the Pokémon games and television series? Yeah, no idea what this is meant to refer to. Steel1943 (talk) 17:59, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as vague --Lenticel 06:20, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
Pokémon techniques
- Pokémon techniques → Gameplay of Pokémon#Pokémon moves (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Pokemon techniques → Gameplay of Pokémon#Pokémon moves (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Pokémon technique → Gameplay of Pokémon#Pokémon moves (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Pokemon technique → Gameplay of Pokémon#Pokémon moves (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
vague. subject to differing definitions of both words, and probably unlikely to refer specifically to moves cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:10, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - Not vague, actually synonymous in this case. Google confirms the usage. Fieari (talk) 04:14, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- to refer to moves each pokémon can have? because results gave me that, but also strategies each pokémon or team can run (trick room my beloved), strategies for the games as a whole, secret techniques in lgpe, "hacks", and ai slop cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:58, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete It's just too vague, at least in English, which is what this encyclopedia is. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 21:01, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per Zxcvbnm. Steel1943 (talk) 17:57, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as vague. --Lenticel 01:31, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
Riot Diet
Not mentioned at target article. DrowssapSMM 11:59, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep and possibly refine. It is mentioned at Yeule#Early life and education section. There are no other uses I can find on en.wp. Thryduulf (talk) 13:18, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
Duck technique
- Duck technique → Law of triviality#Related principles and formulations (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Atwood's duck → Law of triviality (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. I suppose the first one could refer to Rubber duck debugging? 1234qwer1234qwer4 03:04, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - A reference to part of the content removed in this edit. — GodsyCONT) 03:25, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget Atwood's duck to Battle Chess#Development and merge some of the former content there. Unfortunately, sourcing appears to be such that it is only seemingly appropriate to cover it there (maybe leave a link in the see also section) for the time being. The other term is likely vague and will remain unmentioned, but neutral in its regard. — GodsyCONT) 03:39, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support Retarget Atwood's duck to Battle Chess#Development and merge some of the former content there. The law of triviality page used to have details of Atwood's duck but has since been improved to death and all the interesting details have been removed because reasons. @Godsy 's retarget would cure this. Regards, Anameofmyveryown (talk) 11:01, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: While participants have agreed on retargeting the second redirect, there's still no agreement on what to do with the first.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris 09:22, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget Atwood's duck to Battle Chess#Development per above. As for Duck technique, the 1st thing that comes to my mind is Rubber duck debugging, and I think that would be the WP:PTOPIC for that search. Fieari (talk) 02:01, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Libopenraw
- Libopenraw → Raw image format (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned anywhere on the English Wikipedia. Does not seem to be related to LibRaw or OpenRAW. 1234qwer1234qwer4 16:58, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Any thoughts?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris 09:13, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete this is a project that might be notable at some point in the future but doesn't immediately seem so at the moment. Regardless it isn't mentioned anywhere currently so the redirect is misleading. Thryduulf (talk) 11:14, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. If Thryduulf supports deleting a redirect, then it definitely needs to be deleted. --Un assiolo (talk) 14:04, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per above --Lenticel 02:05, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
Opinion polling for the next Turkish parliamentary election
- Opinion polling for the next Turkish parliamentary election → Opinion polling for the 2023 Turkish general election (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Nonsense to have a redirect that constantly changes targets as per WP:ROUTINE. Jalen Folf (Bark[s]) 21:04, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Note Next election in Denmark, which as previously been discussed in an RfD. 1234qwer1234qwer4 12:32, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Next Turkish parliamentary election#Opinion polls. Redirects like this need at most one to two edits every circa five years (some of which can be/are done automatically by bot). That's a very low maintenance burden for redirects that are very useful. Thryduulf (talk) 15:01, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris 09:09, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
Life as we do not know it
- Life as we do not know it → Peter Ward (paleontologist)#Selected works (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Suggest this be retargeted for now to the new dab page at Life as we don't know it. The correct uppercase version for this use, Life as We Do Not Know It, doesn't exist, nor do redirects exist for any of the other works mentioned at the current target. See also previous Rfd at Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2021_September_27#Life_as_We_don't_Know_It. Mdewman6 (talk) 01:30, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support I added the book to the new target into "See also" --Altenmann >talk 01:38, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as it is: None of the articles in the DAB actually make reference to the term "Life as we do not know it" (with or without contraction, with any capitalization). The article of Peter Ward at least mentions the book "Life as We Do Not Know It: The NASA Search for (and Synthesis of) Alien Life" (and redirecting "Book title" to "Book title: the subtitle" is fine) Cambalachero (talk) 03:04, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Retarget or keep?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris 09:07, 3 September 2024 (UTC)- Keep per Cambalachero, and I'm honestly doubtful of that disambiguation page being actually a good idea to begin with. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 22:02, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support DAB - Sorry, I know this brings things back towards no-consensus, but just because an article does not contain the words "Life as we do not know it" does not mean that someone wouldn't search for the phrase intending to find something like alien life. Redirects and disambiguation pages are tools to help people find what they are looking for, and we can apply some common sense without needing all the weight of, say, the notability criteria at AfD. The book from the existing redirect is included at the proposed DAB, so someone looking for it will still find it this way. Fieari (talk) 07:23, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Palestine and Israel
- Palestine and Israel → Southern Levant (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Israel and Palestine → Palestine (region) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Another WP:XY on the same topic. At the very least, these should both likely point to the same place if they are kept. — GodsyCONT) 07:01, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Why would anyone search for "Palestine and Israel" ?--Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 07:03, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Israeli–Palestinian conflict. If someone is typing both into the search bar, the conflict is what they are looking for. Fieari (talk) 07:16, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- I strongly oppose that per WP:NOTNEWS (as well as WP:DECAY) and due to the existence of other targets such as Israel–Palestine relations. Ambiguity is not a problem to be easily overlooked, unless a strong primary topic can be demonstrated (and the ambiguity is handled in other ways). If this remains extant, a more generalized target or a disambiguation page should hopefully prevail as an optimal solution. — GodsyCONT) 07:31, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- WP:NOTNEWS? The conflict in question has been ongoing for decades, nigh-centuries per the article itself... we're not exactly dealing with WP:RECENTISM here! Fieari (talk) 07:36, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- NOTNEWS in the sense that if they were not currently at war a similar argument might be made to point this at, for example, Israeli–Palestinian peace process. — GodsyCONT) 07:45, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Wow, you're... optimistic... about this. Somehow, I don't see this conflict ending in the next hundred years. Saying "were they not currently at war" sounds very much like saying "were the sun not to rise tomorrow". Fieari (talk) 23:12, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- It also ignores that they are currently at war, and what we're interested in is what people are looking for now, not what they might be looking for if we lived in a different timeline or what they might be looking for at some point in the future. Even if a full and final ceasefire were declared tomorrow (I'm more optimistic than Fieari, but not that optimistic) the conflict would very likely still be high up the desired targets for some time to come. Thryduulf (talk) 01:49, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Even if a full and final ceasefire were declared tomorrow, that wouldn't be the end of the conflict in general as discussed in the article. The conflict pretty much goes on even if the shooting stops. Fieari (talk) 02:06, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- It also ignores that they are currently at war, and what we're interested in is what people are looking for now, not what they might be looking for if we lived in a different timeline or what they might be looking for at some point in the future. Even if a full and final ceasefire were declared tomorrow (I'm more optimistic than Fieari, but not that optimistic) the conflict would very likely still be high up the desired targets for some time to come. Thryduulf (talk) 01:49, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Wow, you're... optimistic... about this. Somehow, I don't see this conflict ending in the next hundred years. Saying "were they not currently at war" sounds very much like saying "were the sun not to rise tomorrow". Fieari (talk) 23:12, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- NOTNEWS in the sense that if they were not currently at war a similar argument might be made to point this at, for example, Israeli–Palestinian peace process. — GodsyCONT) 07:45, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- WP:NOTNEWS? The conflict in question has been ongoing for decades, nigh-centuries per the article itself... we're not exactly dealing with WP:RECENTISM here! Fieari (talk) 07:36, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- I strongly oppose that per WP:NOTNEWS (as well as WP:DECAY) and due to the existence of other targets such as Israel–Palestine relations. Ambiguity is not a problem to be easily overlooked, unless a strong primary topic can be demonstrated (and the ambiguity is handled in other ways). If this remains extant, a more generalized target or a disambiguation page should hopefully prevail as an optimal solution. — GodsyCONT) 07:31, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget or disambiguate. These are absolutely plausible search terms, both getting hundreds of views this year, so they should be blue links. The only question is what the best target is, and at the moment I think that Israeli–Palestinian conflict is probably the best by a small margin given the current context, but Palestine (region) is not too far behind. A set index with both of those, Southern Levant, Mandatory Palestine, Israeli–Palestinian peace process and maybe other articles is also a possibility. Thryduulf (talk) 11:22, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate, they're vague terms, a reader presented with a list of articles such as those mentioned (Israeli–Palestinian conflict, Israel–Palestine relations, Israeli–Palestinian peace process, or others such as History of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict) may help lead a reader to what they are looking for. CMD (talk) 07:23, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Israeli–Palestinian conflict. Almost certainly what users typing this in are looking for. --Un assiolo (talk) 14:08, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Israel–Palestine relations or weak disambiguate. Ultimately, anyone searching for two political entities is most likely looking for the "relations" article for the two entitles. Steel1943 (talk) 18:10, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Dabify per above. --Lenticel 08:33, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget both to History of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict; or, disambiguate them per above. Either of these options are sufficiently broad, while other options presented are not. The conflict article is too present-minded. The relations title sounds great but sorely lacks in content. The levant article focuses almost solely on geography (the region article is broader but not in the appropriate way). Slight preference to the retarget (but only) because this type of dab would be uncommon. In the event that either of these options fail, preference shifts to delete.— GodsyCONT) 20:00, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
Political attack
- Political attack → Ad hominem (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Ambiguous (e.g. political violence). — GodsyCONT) 04:36, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - Even outside of political violence, not all political attacks are ad hominems... rhetorically attacking someone's policies or past performance certainly would count as a political attack, and would not be ad hominems, just as an example. I feel like there might be a proper target for negative political campaigning in general, a term that's just on the tip of my tongue, but I can't find it. Deletion might be appropriate, but I'm holding out hope someone can find a better target before it comes to that. That said, I definitely agree the current target is inappropriate. Fieari (talk) 07:42, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - per reasoning above. Chuterix (talk) 09:55, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Negative campaigning, also the R target for Mudslinging. From my knowledge, this is the term that I hear most often when we talk about political attacks, if the term is intended to refer to negative campaigning within politics such as maybe Kier Starmer bringing up Rishi Sunak's non-dom status or Donald Trump campaigning against Hillary Clinton by raising her email controversy. InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 15:58, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Ambiguous, as illustrated in the above discussion. Steel1943 (talk) 17:33, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
H:t
Pseudo-namespace redirect created 11 days ago of a type which new iterations are highly discouraged in many cases. Also, poorly formatted; H:T already exists. — GodsyCONT) 04:29, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- comment : the reason i made this redirect was as to allow for typing the h:t shortcut in all lowercase
- ? didn't know these were discouraged- would you mind elaborating ?
- akizet talk 06:21, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Akizet: See, primarily, WP:CNR;
Currently, the general consensus seems to be that most newly created cross-namespace redirects from the main namespace to the project namespace should be deleted, while very old ones [should likely be retained for various reasons (including the potential existence of external links)]
. Secondly, see WP:SHORT; it is very rare for a shortcut to be uncapitalized. Lastly, and I genuinely mean this in a lighthearted and jovial way (the copyeditor portion of my mind won the argument of whether or not to say this), shift key might be a good read . — GodsyCONT) 06:39, 3 September 2024 (UTC)- i see · then i support removing the redirect
- re shift key : i mostly type in all lowercase ( see orthography usersubpage ( hence i thought it'd be weird to have a random uppercase letter in the wikitext · typing it as ` help:template ` works too though so i guess moot point
- akizet talk 16:30, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Are you sure caps lock might not be a better read? mwwv ∫edits 13:13, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Akizet: See, primarily, WP:CNR;
- Delete, we shouldn't create redirects for a user just so they can continue to use some weird typing quirk. Traumnovelle (talk) 07:52, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom --Lenticel 00:58, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Enix150 (talk) 20:00, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
Palestine Israel
- Palestine Israel → Israeli–Palestinian conflict (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Israel Palestine → Israeli–Palestinian conflict (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Classic WP:XY. Delete. — GodsyCONT) 04:18, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - I don't know that WP:XY fits here. Someone typing both Israel and Palestine into the search box, in whichever order, is almost certainly looking for information on the conflict. I'm willing to be convinced otherwise, but this seems like the appropriate target to me. Fieari (talk) 06:51, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Idk what it even means? Do we have any actual data on how many people use that as a search term? And then, if they do, where they go afterwards? Selfstudier (talk) 09:54, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Both were created too recently to have truly reliable usage figures, but they got 10 and 17 hits between creation on 22nd August and yesterday, which suggests that they are plausible search terms (but note that almost all redirects get above typical views in the first circa 2-4 days after creation (I guess due to new page patrolers and similar) and significantly more than typical views during and just after being listed at RfD). Everybody who views a redirect goes to the redirect target, I don't think that where they go after that is tracked and all such data that does exist is only released for large volumes of people and (iirc) aggregated by complete calendar month (all for privacy reasons) so wouldn't be useful here. Thryduulf (talk) 11:32, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Do the same as with #Palestine and Israel. I can't see any reason why people would be expecting different things with or without the "and". Thryduulf (talk) 11:32, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- I disagree with that; the inclusion/exclusion of "and" makes all the difference. Steel1943 (talk) 18:26, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep (disclaimer: creator of both); same reasoning as Fieari and backed by data from Thryduulf; plus WP:XY does state that in some cases redirects should
point to a location in which both topics are discussed
. This is the closest to a perfect target we can get anyways. InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 15:06, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep both. Highly plausible search terms. --Un assiolo (talk) 14:22, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete this is an example on WP:XY, search results would be better here as who knows what specific page they would be looking for. Traumnovelle (talk) 07:50, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- XY is not a reason to delete when we have content that deals with both X and Y (the combination, interaction or intersection), which we do in this case. When it's not clear which of multiple possible articles someone is looking for we use disambiguation and set indexes. Thryduulf (talk) 10:31, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:XY. Israel is not Palestine, and Palestine is not Israel. The lack of any conjunctions separating the two words make these confusing redirects at best, harmful redirecting anywhere at worst. Steel1943 (talk) 18:26, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
Semi-palindrome
- Semi-palindrome → Palindrome (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Half-palindrome → Palindrome (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. Anadrome mentions "semi-palindrome" as an "explanation" for the "semordnilap" entry, though that's not exactly helpful. As far as I understand, "anadrome" refers to single-word "semordnilaps" (or "semi-palindromes"), although the very first sentence of that article is tagged with {{cn}}. 1234qwer1234qwer4 03:49, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - Google informs me that both semi- and half-palindromes refer to a word or phrase that, when spelled backwards, results in a DIFFERENT but valid word or phrase in the same language... with anadromes not really being the same thing. By this definition, semi/half-palindromes seem like a pretty cool concept, and one that might even be worthy of an article or subsection within the palindrome article... except that google ALSO informs me the semi-palindromes refer to a word in which only PART of the word is a palindrome, with another part having to be excluded to make the palindrome work... "semordnilaps" (with the s on the end) would be an example thereof, since the final "s" must be excluded to make the anadrome work. This would ALSO be a worthy mention in the palindrome article... if we could find a good solid WP:RS to cite it. All the sources I just found are insufficiently reliable, and of course, are divided between which definition they use. Fieari (talk) 07:29, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- I came back to this, trying to find a reliable source, and basically just ended up finding enough attestations of the word in both definitions (and one more definition besides!) to be able to add it to wiktionary: wikt:semi-palindrome. It might actually just be best to crosswiki to this wiktionary definition instead, since there seems to be no overall consensus of what a semi-palindrome is that we could add to the palindrome article. Fieari (talk) 06:08, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
Twofold rotational symmetry
- Twofold rotational symmetry → Palindrome (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The target does not even mention rotational symmetry. Just retargeting to Rotational symmetry would be my suggestion. 1234qwer1234qwer4 03:33, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Rotational symmetry, where this term is explicitly defined and discussed. Palindromes do not really fit the definition, except in a very abstract way. Fieari (talk) 07:32, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment This page was originally redirected based on the answer to a specific question in one of Stanford's quiz bowl packets. The page no longer exists and I can't find the original packet and specific question, but if I redirected it to palindrome, the question must have been about words that can be rotated into the same word or something like that. If it has other uses beyond that, there's no reason not to redirect it somewhere else, especially if that page already has a section on the topic since the whole idea of a redirect is to send someone where they can find the information they're looking for when a certain topic doesn't have a standalone article. Some of the packets still exist on the wayback machine and I could probably find the specific packet if anyone really want to know, but otherwise, it's just not worth the effort right now. Sesamehoneytart 06:38, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
Levidrome
- Levidrome → Palindrome#Semordnilap (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention at target; retargeting to Lucky_Budd#Career is an option though the target provides no explanation, which does exist on Wiktionary at wikt:levidrome. The concept appears to be covered by Anadrome, though, but without a mention. See also Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Levidrome and Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 May 16#Semordnilap (it seems that "semordnilap" could now also be redirected to the anadrome article?). 1234qwer1234qwer4 03:18, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment this WAS mentioned at the target when the redirect was finalized back in 2020. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 22:37, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to Anadrome, and can be mentioned in a paragraph there. It's still weird that Anadrome was even created separate from palindrome when anadrome has even less coverage than levidrome. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 22:40, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to Anadrome now that it's mentioned there. --Un assiolo (talk) 14:29, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Alexadrome
- Alexadrome → Palindrome (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned anywhere on the English Wikipedia. 1234qwer1234qwer4 03:08, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete – searching this exact word up on Google in quotation marks pulls up pretty much nothing of note anywhere, so I don't see a viable target. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 04:36, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - In addition to the above, I also searched google for "+palin +alexa" to see if there was some meme or confluence between the two terms in some way, and came up with nothing of note. Does not appear to be a thing. Fieari (talk) 07:02, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per the above editors' findings --Lenticel 00:59, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
Canon Deutschland
- Canon Deutschland → Canon Inc. (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This German subsidiary of Canon is not mentioned at the target and does not to be mentioned anywhere on the English Wikipedia apart from two external links either. 1234qwer1234qwer4 01:39, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 14:30, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. A German subsidiary of a major company with little information covered on its target page is not a reason alone to be a redirect InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 13:59, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom --Lenticel 11:19, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
Punk opera
- Punk opera → Rock opera (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Brief mention in relation to a particular work, but the genre itself is not described within the article. Any thoughts or better target suggestions? — GodsyCONT) 00:52, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- I googled it, and all the results are for punk rock opera, and not punk opera for some reason. See this: https://www.treblezine.com/24712-10-essential-punk-rock-operas/
- Perhaps we change the name to punk rock opera? Moline1 (talk) 02:22, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- A move without redirect to punk rock opera would certainly be possible on the technical side; however, that title has existed since 2007 (just looked). However, that (sub)genre does not seem to be covered explicitly at the current target either. At the end of the day, an important question remains: Are we directing readers to a place that sufficiently covers what they are looking for? If either 'punk opera' or 'punk rock opera' are synonymous enough with 'rock opera', that may not be a problem. — GodsyCONT) 20:42, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Closer/Relister - Please relist and merge punk rock opera into this discussion. Thanks, — GodsyCONT) 20:42, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
World's rarest butterfly
- World's rarest butterfly → Actinote zikani (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Unmentioned in this form. 'Rarest' is somewhat vague. WP:NOTTRIVIA. — GodsyCONT) 00:41, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - Search term appears to be accurate, both in terms of global population, and also in terms of the size of the area of their habitat. The article itself mentions that Parides burchellanus is also extremely endangered, but it appears that the population and habitat area of the latter is slightly larger in both cases. While I wouldn't say that the article itself should state that it is the "world's rarest butterfly" (at least not without a WP:RS using those exact words) a redirect is far less user facing and so it should be harmless to keep this redirect, given that it does appear to be true. Fieari (talk) 07:11, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Fieari: I would disagree in regard to the harmlessness. If a reader stumbles upon this when searching or types this in and arrives here, etc., it is harmful if it is not true. If it would not be appropriate to say something in an article, many times it should also not be said in a redirect. However, I would still have (albeit much smaller) qualms if it were sourced and mentioned due to the phrasing and nature of this page title (per the spirit of the NOT policy I mentioned earlier and the potential vagueness of 'rare'). As far as I can tell, there are not any other article titles or redirects that begin with "world's rarest". — GodsyCONT) 07:18, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete "World's rarest butterfly" is quite hard to measure, and not something we should state with the level of confidence to literally make it as a redirect. "Appears to be true" isn't the level of confidence we need to redirect users searching it to this page. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 08:51, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Neutral as redirect maker, as it is technically true, but is probably peacockery on my part at best. Sir MemeGod :D (talk - contribs - created articles) 15:15, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, as even if it is true, it does seem to be solely peacockery, and it doesn't seem to be a somewhat notable title in itself the same way as World's tallest building. InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 15:08, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete these kind of redirects are likely implausable and hard to measure. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:26, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete we shouldn't have redirects based on Google search type terms, especially when hard to judge like this. Traumnovelle (talk) 07:48, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- We absolutely should have redirects based on terms like this when we have relevant verifiable content to target. This will help people who use these very plausible search terms both here and on third-party search engines. Thryduulf (talk) 10:29, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- unfortunately, the answer to "when" in this case is "not this time lmao". the target never directly refers to it as the "rarest" or "most endangered" butterfly in the world, and the world's 100 most threatened species only lists its population as "uh idk" cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 13:36, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- We absolutely should have redirects based on terms like this when we have relevant verifiable content to target. This will help people who use these very plausible search terms both here and on third-party search engines. Thryduulf (talk) 10:29, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
Gamer mosley
- Gamer mosley → Oswald Mosley (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Gamer Mosley → Oswald Mosley (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
I don't know what this 20th century fascist has to do with gaming culture unless it is some 4chan reference. If someone can uncover a reasonable explanation for the relationship between these terms, I'll happily withdraw this RFD. Redirects created by new editor blocked for racism. Liz 00:25, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete and salt A Google search for the title confirms that it's an attempt to make a disgraced fascist look cool in the gaming community and clearly an attempt to use a 'more innocent facist' to avoid the usual blocks of content involving Naziism; see this where someone pretty much admits to modding Hearts of Iron IV game to 'fix a mistake' where Mr. Mosley was portrayed in a historically appropriate (and negative) light. We don't need to entertain this as serious. Nate • (chatter) 01:12, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete and salt per MrSchimpf. DrowssapSMM 12:29, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete and salt per others - assuming that "salting" means nothing will grow there again. Mr.choppers | ✎ 01:56, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete and salt - Yes, Mr.choppers, that's exactly what it means. Or more to the point, it means protecting it so that no new page of any sort can ever be created there again (without prior admin approval). Fieari (talk) 04:12, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete and salt per above and WP:NOTPROMO --Lenticel 00:14, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- I don't have that strong a view on deletion or not because I'm unsure if this a plausible/useful redirect at all, but the idea it should be salted because of associations with misinformation is a poor one. If someone comes across this 'Gamer Mosley' would we not want them to stumble upon our article? What is the harm in someone who came across 'Gamer Mosley' getting directed to Oswald Mosley? Either they would have had their mind made up already or they will learn something new and reconsider what they read elsewhere. Traumnovelle (talk) 07:46, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete and Salt. No reasonable relationship exists, and based on the user's previous edits and ANI section, seems to be only an attempt to perpetuate or inappropriately humorify/whitewash Nazism and a main figure in it. InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 14:03, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
Great Dark
Mentioned once in passing at the target and seems to refer to unrelated topics as well. * Pppery * it has begun... 15:21, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- delete this one as vague; no opinion on the others. could refer to the great dark pit of tarrare's mouth for all we know cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 15:42, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- comment would it be a good redirect to the Great Dark Spot or is that too much of a partial title match? --Lenticel 01:28, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 23:31, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - While Great Dark Spot would not violate the principle of WP:LEAST astonishment (I wouldn't be shocked to find myself ending up there)... I think someone searching for "Great Dark" is probably looking for something from a fantasy world or poetry. The trouble is, I have the feeling that Great Dark is a term used by multiple works... maybe Warcraft is the WP:PTOPIC, but I'm not sure. Mark Twain even wrote a work by this title. This is a pickle. Put a gun to my head and make me choose right now, I'd lean towards Great Dark Spot, but I'd really like to see some more voices chime in on this one. Fieari (talk) 00:18, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Weak delete. I'm not enamoured with Great Dark Spot as a target, as it doesn't seem to be referred to as such except occasionally when contrasting with other spots on Neptune. Great Dark Horde exists but that seems to be shortened to "Dark Horde" rather than "Great Dark" so wouldn't make a better target. While there are at least two or three uses in fiction, none of them are mentioned on Wikipedia that I can find, nor do we have any mention of works for which this would be anything other than a very partial title match. Thryduulf (talk) 09:52, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete lots of stuff call outer space the great dark -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 04:16, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
Sony ARW 1.0
- Sony ARW 1.0 → Raw image format#ARW 1.0 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Sony ARW 2.0 → Raw image format#ARW 2.0 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Sony ARW 2.1 → Raw image format#ARW 2.1 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Sony ARW 2.2 → Raw image format#ARW 2.2 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Sony ARW 2.3 → Raw image format#ARW 2.3 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Sony ARW 2.3.0 → Raw image format#ARW 2.3.0 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Sony ARW 2.3.1 → Raw image format#ARW 2.3.1 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Sony ARW 2.3.2 → Raw image format#ARW 2.3.2 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- ARW 1.0 → Raw image format#ARW 1.0 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- ARW 2.0 → Raw image format#ARW 2.0 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- ARW 2.1 → Raw image format#ARW 2.1 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- ARW 2.2 → Raw image format#ARW 2.2 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- ARW 2.3 → Raw image format#ARW 2.3 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- ARW 2.3.0 → Raw image format#ARW 2.3.0 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- ARW 2.3.1 → Raw image format#ARW 2.3.1 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- ARW 2.3.2 → Raw image format#ARW 2.3.2 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The target page no longer describes any versions of this particular raw image format (and it would probably be WP:UNDUE to do so). There are some mentions at List of cameras supporting a raw format. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:18, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 23:30, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Redirecting to the list would be useless as it only tells the reader that the format exists (which they already knew, having entered it into the search box). --Un assiolo (talk) 14:34, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Pajeetland
Blaxploitation (music genre)
- Blaxploitation (music genre) → Funk (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This was an article that got redirected by Binksternet, but the redirect as is doesn't make much sense; ideally there would be a "music" section at blaxploitation, or even a full Music of Blaxploitation films article, but neither of those exist. Mach61 20:34, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Blaxsploitation is not an acknowledged music genre even though it is certainly a film genre. The AllMusic source labels the film genre as blaxsploitation but just describes the associated music as funk or funk-based mixes that may be "richer and more diverse" than just funk. It would be fine to have a music paragraph in the Blaxsploitation article, and the redirect can aim at that paragraph. Binksternet (talk) 20:50, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- I would support Retargeting to a new section of Blaxsploitation briefly discussing the music of said films, but without said section, this would be better of Deleted, given that we don't currently have any information on the subject that a hypothetical searcher would be looking for. If we do delete, and later the section is created, no prejudice against recreating this as a redirect to the new section at that time. Fieari (talk) 05:39, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget or Restore without prejudice to merging or AFD. One editor's opinion that the sourced content is misleading is not enough for deletion. Thryduulf (talk) 09:58, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Restore and send to AfD. I think this won't survive afd but I'm not that familiar with the genre to vote for an outright deletion. Note that the creator of this article was indef blocked. --Lenticel 08:54, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Stage 1 Pokémon
- Stage 1 Pokémon → Gameplay of Pokémon (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Stage 1 Pokemon → Gameplay of Pokémon (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Stage 2 Pokémon → Gameplay of Pokémon (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Stage 2 Pokemon → Gameplay of Pokémon (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
refers to evolutionary stages. as an example, popplio is stage 1, brionne is stage 2, and primarina is... why is there no stage 3 redirect? the terminology is sort of mentioned in the target (under breeding), but not in a way that would help those redirects cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 19:17, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Weak retarget to Pokémon Trading Card Game#Card types as the only Pokémon-based subject where I believe this terminology is used. Steel1943 (talk) 17:08, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Changing my stance to "weak" after locating (and remembering) the discussion I found below. Steel1943 (talk) 18:01, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- "used" it is. relatively commonly, for that matter. it's just in that weird limbo of not being properly mentioned outside of the tcg, and not well-covered enough to warrant being mentioned in depth. a lot of pokémon-related stuff falls in that limbo, it's painful cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 23:13, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: The discussion at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 December 3#List of Pokemon by Stage, a discussion I found while researching why these nominated redirects existed, may be relevant ... which, ironically, is a discussion I opened in 2019 that I completely forgot about until now. Steel1943 (talk) 17:56, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
Pokemon Strategy
- Pokemon Strategy → Gameplay of Pokémon (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
as in strategies for playing pokémon games? strategies for using each pokémon? a theoretical pokémon game called pokémon strategy? was originally a pile of fancruft so horribly wrong i'd almost consider it grounds for speedy deletion cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 19:16, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as vague --Lenticel 00:04, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
Pokémon Contests
- Pokémon Contests → Gameplay of Pokémon#Pokémon contests (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Pokémon Contest → Gameplay of Pokémon#Pokémon contests (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Pokemon Contest → Gameplay of Pokémon#Pokémon contests (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Pokémon contest → Gameplay of Pokémon#Pokémon contests (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Pokemon contest → Gameplay of Pokémon#Pokémon contests (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
unmentioned in the target, only mentioned in passing in some other articles cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 19:08, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 14:36, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Pokémon coordinator
- Pokémon coordinator → Gameplay of Pokémon#Pokémon contests (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
a little vague. the intended meaning isn't in the target, and this isn't important to that meaning cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 19:07, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 14:37, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Razor leaf
- Razor leaf → Gameplay of Pokémon#Pokémon moves (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
unmentioned move cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 19:05, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete decent grass move in the games but better off served in a fandom wikia or bulbapedia. --Lenticel 00:06, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Dasychira (musician)#Singles, where Razor Leaf is listed. As far as I can tell, this isn't a botanical term. Thryduulf (talk) 10:01, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- I'm also fine with the Retarget --Lenticel 08:50, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment we do have razor grass, whose leaves cut pretty well. There's a discussion on StackXchange about similar plants [30] -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 04:21, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
Pokemon Directory
- Pokemon Directory → Gameplay of Pokémon#Pokédex (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Pokémon directory → Gameplay of Pokémon#Pokédex (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
previously nominated and retargeted, despite notdirectory. the pokédex isn't much of a traditional directory either cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 19:00, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per the consensus of the previous RfD that this is a good description of and plausible synonym for the target. I don't understand how WP:NOTDIRECTORY is relevant. Thryduulf (talk) 10:03, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- thought this reply was sent before, but apparently not
- do you think it's used as a synonym for the pokédex? because results mostly gave me lists of pokémon by whatever trait (type, pokédex number, etc.), blogs, guides, and... a book seemingly made in gen 2 with a cover written entirely in comic sans. come on, that's just cursed cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:29, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think it's a synonym, in the sense that people don't call it that as an alternative name, it is however a plausible search term for people who don't know or don't remember what the in-game directory of pokemon is called. Thryduulf (talk) 17:04, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
Shiny Pikachu
- Shiny Pikachu → Gameplay of Pokémon#Shiny Pokémon (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
admittedly being a little too bold here, but shiny pikachu isn't mentioned, and has one of the least notable "barely different" shinies cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 18:56, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete I cannot find any notable mentions of shiny Pikachu's. Compare this to the shiny Gyarados which has a referenced mention in Magikarp and Gyarados. --Lenticel 08:45, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Pokémon-Amie
- Pokémon-Amie → Gameplay of Pokémon#Affection (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Pokémon-amie → Gameplay of Pokémon#Affection (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
mentioned in passing in pokémon x and y, but overall not that notable outside of evolving eevee into sylveon... then again, it's not mentioned in eevee cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 18:50, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Pokémon X and Y. Also, is "pokémon twitter and y" a joke or the result of a text replacement plugin? If the latter, you should disable it while editing Wikipedia. Raymond1922 (talk) 23:29, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- you saw nothing cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 23:36, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
List of Pokemon moves
- List of Pokemon moves → Gameplay of Pokémon (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
not present in the target cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 18:47, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Better off in a pokemon fandom or bulbapedia. --Lenticel 00:08, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
GS Ball
- GS Ball → Gameplay of Pokémon#Poké Ball (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
surprisingly not mentioned, even in celebi's section of the list of gen 2 pokémon cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 18:43, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom but I won't mind a weak retarget to Pokémon: The Johto Journeys where it is mentioned in a couple of episodes. --Lenticel 00:19, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Pokétchi
- Pokétchi → Gameplay of Pokémon#Items (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Poketchi → Gameplay of Pokémon#Items (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
only mentioned in passing in dp and pt, with its western name (which is missing the i) cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 18:28, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 14:39, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
PKRS
short for pokérus, but could it also be confused with pokémon ruby and sapphire? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 18:26, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as ambiguous, and a disambiguator would not be appropriate. Fieari (talk) 06:46, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Disambig, which I've drafted below the redirect. In terms of Pokemon though, it appears to be unambiguous as I can't find any uses in that context meaning anything other than pokerus. Thryduulf (talk) 10:18, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Dabify per Thryduulf --Lenticel 00:20, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Powerpointy
- Powerpointy → Microsoft PowerPoint (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
refers to an adjective that is unmentioned in the target, or anywhere else cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 18:16, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - Harmless, unambiguous target. No need for the exact word to be mentioned in the article, we have redirects of other grammatical forms of words all the time. Fieari (talk) 06:44, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Fieari. Thryduulf (talk) 10:18, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per above I think we can either tag this as R from adjective or R from misspelling --Lenticel 08:37, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Microsoft® PowerPoint® Microsoft 365 için
- Microsoft® PowerPoint® Microsoft 365 için → Microsoft PowerPoint (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
apparently a link from turkish commons, but what's it doing here? and also, what is için supposed to mean in this context? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 18:11, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. I would expect something like this to be a {{R from file metadata}} but I can't find any evidence that it is used in that (or indeed any other) way. Based on Wiktionary and Google translate, "için" can be translated as "for" so this very likely translates as "Microsoft PowerPoint for Microsoft 365". In English that might be a useful redirect (if we have relevant content, I haven't looked) but WP:RFOREIGN applies as none of Microsoft, Powerpoint or Microsoft 365 have any particular affinity to Turkish. Thryduulf (talk) 10:26, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- I would vote delete per WP:RLOTE unless
link from Turkish Wikimedia Commons
from the summary can be explained 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:10, 3 September 2024 (UTC) - Delete. Besides the WP:FORRED issue with the final word of the redirect, the redirect contains a good amount of characters that are not traditionally present on an English keyboard, including the repeat use of the registered trademark symbol ... meaning this as a search term is highly implausible anyways. Steel1943 (talk) 18:51, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per above --Lenticel 08:47, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Power Points
Berry Blender
Monster Stack No-Limit Hold'em
Monster Stack No-Limit Hold'em
Mini Super Turbo Bounty Freezeout
Mini Super Turbo Bounty Freezeout (Second Chance)
Stephen Winters
- Stephen Winters → $300 Gladiators of Poker No-Limit Hold'em#2024 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Unlikely target for redirect, this is not what redirects are for. Bastun 17:40, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. They are mentioned in a few places on Wikipedia, but this is the most substantial by far and there is nobody with this name who is more notable. Thryduulf (talk) 10:57, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
Jason Simon (poker player)
- Jason Simon (poker player) → $300 Gladiators of Poker No-Limit Hold'em#2023 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Unlikely redirect target, this is not what redirects are for. Bastun 17:40, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep and add a link at Jason Simon. There is content about them here so this is a good use of a redirect. Thryduulf (talk) 10:59, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
Millionaire Maker No-Limit Hold'em
Super Turbo Bounty No-Limit Hold'em Freezeout
Thibault Perissat
- Thibault Perissat → Peter Park (poker player)#Outright (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not a likely needed redirect Bastun 17:33, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - Looks like the article it's pointing to is about to get deleted for non-notability, and this name within that article is even less notable than that, so... Fieari (talk) 05:21, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep If the main target (within the redirect) gets merged into another article there should be a, more logical, redirect to that instead. PsychoticIncall (talk) 15:39, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
Sea incense
pokéblock(s)
Go-goggles
Devon Scope
History of Perugia (disambiguation)
Türkiye (bird)
- Türkiye (bird) → Turkey (bird) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The bird is not spelled "Türkiye", and animals named for countries don't necessarily have their name changed to follow the name of the country (Siamese cat, Abyssinian cat, Burmese python). Plantdrew (talk) 14:37, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Dëletye. Pointless, implausible, misleading. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 17:30, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Weak dëletye as potentially useful but very unlikely and possibly confusing. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:52, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per above --Lenticel 00:12, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as a misspelling/misnomer. I have found at least one non-joking use [31] in less than 5 minutes searching so there are probably more. Thryduulf (talk) 11:10, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 14:46, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Nigerian Agip Oil Company
The NAOC company is owned by Oando PLC since 2024, so Agip has nothing to do with the NAOC company. It should be redirected to the page https://en.wikipedia.org/key/Oando . Svetlana Orlova 1987 (talk) 12:52, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
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Primeiro de Agosto Men's Basketball Past Squads
Tharsult
Secomber
Daggerford
Northkeep
Miyeritar
Shaar
Not mentioned at target. Note also Shaar (surname). 1234qwer1234qwer4 01:41, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Faerûn, which currently seems the best central target to me. Daranios (talk) 15:04, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Faerûn. BOZ (talk) 17:46, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Is the D&D topic actually more relevant than the surname? 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:06, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- If necessary, the edit history can be moved to Shaar (Forgotten Realms) and retargeted, while Shaar can become a disabmiguation page? BOZ (talk) 18:52, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah, I don't think the fictional region is more important than the surname. So shifting this to Shaar (Forgotten Realms), and disambiguating in some form or other is fine with me. Daranios (talk) 18:58, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- If necessary, the edit history can be moved to Shaar (Forgotten Realms) and retargeted, while Shaar can become a disabmiguation page? BOZ (talk) 18:52, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Is the D&D topic actually more relevant than the surname? 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:06, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Move Shaar (surname) to Shaar as the clear primary topic when comparing the surname and D&D subjects. No objection to creating Shaar (Forgotten Realms) (though it would probably make more sense to create Shaar (Dungeons & Dragons) due to the parent topic/subtopic association) and/or placing a hatnote on the surname article referring to the D&D subject. (In other words, I do not believe we are at a point yet to create a disambiguation page for "Shaar"; putting a hatnote on the surname page is probably the best way to go about disambiguating for the time being.) Steel1943 (talk) 19:10, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Move Shaar (surname) to Shaar per Steel1943. --Un assiolo (talk) 14:47, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Cormyr
Not mentioned at target, but apparently lots of mentions elsewhere. Additionally, there are Cormyr: A Novel and Cormyr: The Tearing of the Weave. 1234qwer1234qwer4 01:38, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate and have link to the two pages you mentioned rather than redirecting to Forgotten Realms. 🔹Blue (talk/contribs) 11:44, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate and include a link to Faerûn for coverage of the fictional country. Daranios (talk) 15:05, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Faerûn. BOZ (talk) 17:46, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate. WP:NOPRIMARY. Steel1943 (talk) 19:14, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Moving the edit history to Cormyr (fictional country) with a retarget and then disambiguating the original name seems like it would make sense. BOZ (talk) 19:52, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
Sharindlar
Hakiyah
Jisan
- Jisan → Forgotten Realms#Religion (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target, but there are Jisan station, Jisan Valley Rock Festival, Numbers_(South_Korean_TV_series)#Jisan_Bank and potentially others. 1234qwer1234qwer4 01:27, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Al-Qadim. BOZ (talk) 17:29, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Al-Qadim#Important concepts, where she appears now. Daranios (talk) 06:55, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Should there at least be a hatnote or something for the potential alternative meanings? 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:09, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Not quite sure what's best in this case. Like for Shaar, I don't believe the fictional deity is more relevant than the real-world appearances of the name, but from the listed examples it is the only instance where the name appears alone without further qualifier or something. So creating a Jisan (disambiguation) could be a solution, but on purely esthecial grounds I am not too keen on adding a hatnote to an article/section which refers "only" to one term within the paragraph. So I would also be fine with making Jisan a disambiguation page and shifting the current one to Jisan (Al-Qadim). Daranios (talk) 19:05, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- I'm find with moving the edit history as suggested with a retarget and then creating a disambiguation page if necessary. BOZ (talk) 19:53, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Not quite sure what's best in this case. Like for Shaar, I don't believe the fictional deity is more relevant than the real-world appearances of the name, but from the listed examples it is the only instance where the name appears alone without further qualifier or something. So creating a Jisan (disambiguation) could be a solution, but on purely esthecial grounds I am not too keen on adding a hatnote to an article/section which refers "only" to one term within the paragraph. So I would also be fine with making Jisan a disambiguation page and shifting the current one to Jisan (Al-Qadim). Daranios (talk) 19:05, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Should there at least be a hatnote or something for the potential alternative meanings? 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:09, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate per the values given -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 04:26, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
Najm (Forgotten Realms)
Zann (Forgotten Realms)
Bala (Forgotten Realms)
Vataqatal
Vartha Do'Urden
Marco Volo: Departure
Asper (Forgotten Realms)
Chondath
Kraken (D&D)
- Kraken (D&D) → Kraken (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Kraken (Dungeons & Dragons) → Monsters in Dungeons & Dragons (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- The Kraken (D&D) → Forgotten Realms#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- The Kraken (Dungeons & Dragons) → Forgotten Realms#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- The Kraken (Dungeons and Dragons) → Forgotten Realms#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- The Kraken (Forgotten Realms) → Forgotten Realms (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at any of the targets. Listed at Kraken_(disambiguation)#Video_and_role_playing_games and might otherwise occur in some passing mentions. 1234qwer1234qwer4 00:54, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Consulting my Monster Manual, Krakens are definitely a thing in D&D, but I'm not sure if they merit inclusion in Monsters in Dungeons & Dragons. Cremastra (talk) 01:32, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget Kraken (Dungeons & Dragons) and Kraken (D&D), which refer to the fictional monster in the game, to List of Advanced Dungeons & Dragons 2nd edition monsters#TSR 2103 – MC2 – Monstrous Compendium Volume Two (1989) where it appears. Retarget all "The Kraken" links, which refer to a fictional organization in the game, to
Treasures of the Savage FrontierFaerûn#Organizations, where it appears. Daranios (talk) 09:53, 2 September 2024 (UTC) - Retarget Kraken (Dungeons & Dragons) and Kraken (D&D) to List of Advanced Dungeons & Dragons 2nd edition monsters and "The Kraken" links to Faerûn. BOZ (talk) 18:20, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
Cowled Wizards
Ibrandul
Iyachtu Xvim
- Iyachtu Xvim → Forgotten Realms#Religion (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention of "Iyachtu" anywhere on the English Wikipedia. "Xvim" gets a passing mention at Halls of the High King and is listed at List of Dungeons & Dragons 3rd edition monsters. 1234qwer1234qwer4 00:46, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Halls of the High King as Xvim is the same character than Iyachtu Xvim. Daranios (talk) 15:04, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
Eshowdow
Gargauth
Amaunator
Wikipedia:VRT permissions agents
- Wikipedia:VRT permissions agents → Wikipedia:Volunteer Response Team#User right (global) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Wikipedia:OTRS members → Wikipedia:Global rights policy#VRT-permissions (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Wikipedia:Otrs members → Wikipedia:Global rights policy#VRT-permissions (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
These should ideally point at the same target. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:50, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not certain they should necessarily as, per the first target, VRT permissions agents are a subset of VRT members. Thryduulf (talk) 14:53, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- But the target of "OTRS members" is exactly about the "VRT permissions agents" group. 1234qwer1234qwer4 20:05, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
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Transversally elliptic operator
411Mania
Father of the Constitution
Wikipedia:Writ of Wikimedius
- Wikipedia:Writ of Wikimedius → Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
In 2004, was moved to User:Alex756/Writ of Wikimedius, and retargeted to WP:ARBCOM. Now, there are four uses of "wikimedius" across all of the Wikipedia namespace, and 3/4 are this redirect, and two related discussions for deletion. (The only other mention of Wikimedius is the genus of WP:WikiDodo.) It is not clear how this title has any relation to ArbCom, without already knowing about Alex's essay. And, if Alex's essay is known, such a person would be highly familiar with WP:ARBCOM and comfortable using one of the several likely shortcuts, instead of spelling out "Writ of Wikimedius" perfectly to navigate here. Deletion is preferable, I think; twenty years after the foundation of the Arbitration Committee, it does not seem necessary to have a WP-space redirect to userspace for a seemingly unendorsed objection essay. But perhaps there are some elucidating threads about the 2004 context which I'm missing, which could prompt a retarget result. Utopes (talk / cont) 19:31, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- I almost speedy deleted this but the nomination raises the issue that there might be some 2004-level context that would explain why we should keep this. It's a fair point to ask about but I find it unlikely and feel like delete is the most reasonable outcome here. A lot of goofy stuff happened in the early days of the project, things that would certainly not fly today, and this seems to be an artifact of that time. Just Step Sideways 20:03, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as a joke that isn't funny anymore, absent any highly unlikely evidence coming forth that there is still a good reason for it. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:02, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Based on subsequent comments, I have no objection to retargeting, instead. --Tryptofish (talk) 23:50, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to User:Alex756/Writ of Wikimedius, harmless. 1234qwer1234qwer4 22:33, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget per 1234... Thryduulf (talk) 12:29, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - I remember this. It was ridiculous at the time and never should have been allowed in the moment let alone kept for posterity. UninvitedCompany 01:20, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget as harmless. C F A 💬 22:21, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
pokémon indexer
pokénav
Eight dash ball
HIALS
No mention anywhere on the English Wikipedia. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:38, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Google tells me this is "High Intensity Approach Lighting System" and I'm surprised it isn't mentioned on the article, so my gut feeling is too add it and keep the redirect. Thryduulf (talk) 20:53, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Note that source 6 in the article mentions ALSF-1 and -2 as high-intensity systems. 1234qwer1234qwer4 14:28, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
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Deer cannon
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Kevin Tucker (anarchist)
Quackifier
Bodo languages (disambiguation)
Brotherhood of Shadow
F. Fitzgerald
- F. Fitzgerald → F. Scott Fitzgerald (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Delete. Or redirect to FitzGerald (surname). jnestorius 02:35, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Someone entering this title is probably looking for F. Scott Fitzgerald, but the omission doesn't seem to have affinity (AFAICT he was never referred to as "F. Fitzgerald"). If you search for "F. Fitzgerald", F. Scott Fitzgerald is the first result, so the redirect doesn't have much navigational value either. jlwoodwa (talk) 06:11, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Kablammo (talk) 09:25, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Very clearly the primary topic, and there are hatnotes to others who might be searched for. Thryduulf (talk) 10:40, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Very clearly not the primary topic in Ireland, where the name FitzGerald originates. There is currently no hatnote for F. Fitzgerald on the F. Scott Fitzgerald article. One would need to add F. Fitzgerald (disambiguation) as a redirect to Fitzgerald (surname)#F in order to pick up Fern Fitzgerald and Frances FitzGerald (disambiguation). I would oppose any such hatnote as it would clutter the article and invite the inference that "F. Fitzgerald" is a reasonably common way to refer to "F. Scott Fitzgerald" as opposed to a very rare way. jnestorius 21:58, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Thruduulf. It does not lack affinity, by the way, as excluding a middle name is a reasonable thing to do in many cases. — GodsyCONT) 21:41, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- I'm confused. Isn't "this modification could just as well apply to a vast number of other titles" the definition of "lacks affinity"? jlwoodwa (talk) 04:42, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Jlwoodwa: Affinity applies to things like a period at the end of a title, being in quotes, etc. In other words, an error that could apply to almost absolutely any title. A title without a middle name only applies to names, and furthermore only names including a middle name. It is always reasonable to leave out a middle name for a redirect, as long as there is no ambiguity in what's covered (or there is a primary topic as in this case). I would support that every single time. I would not support every single title having a redirect from that title in quotes or with a full stop at the end and so forth. Affinity is in regard to much broader variants, not specific ones like this. This situation clearly does not apply to every title (or a vastly broad enough swath of titles). Even if it did, it would still be appropriate all the time, rendering affinity double moot. — GodsyCONT) 09:20, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- I'm confused. Isn't "this modification could just as well apply to a vast number of other titles" the definition of "lacks affinity"? jlwoodwa (talk) 04:42, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Does seem to be occasionally used in product listings and non-RS. If there were usage of the term to refer to anyone else, that low-quality usage wouldn't be weighted very strongly, but the only search results I see are spurious ones about John F. Fitzgerald. (The sources still write out the entirety of "John F. Fitzgerald"; Google just includes them because the substring matches.) Limited usage trumps no usage, so keep. -- Tamzin (they|xe) 22:18, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Autogenerated listings and poorly copyedited self-publishing? I don't think is persuasive evidence that real humans are using the term other than as a slip. The term is too ambiguous to prioritise autocorrecting a slip. jnestorius 22:04, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Are there other instances of anyone else being called "F. Fitzgerald"? -- Tamzin (they|xe) 02:00, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- "Ms F. Fitzgerald", references to Frances Fitzgerald (politician) in Dáil proceedings jnestorius 15:58, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- Are there other instances of anyone else being called "F. Fitzgerald"? -- Tamzin (they|xe) 02:00, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Autogenerated listings and poorly copyedited self-publishing? I don't think is persuasive evidence that real humans are using the term other than as a slip. The term is too ambiguous to prioritise autocorrecting a slip. jnestorius 22:04, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- I have added Fionn Fitzgerald (born 1990), Irish football player, to the surname page. BD2412 T 21:58, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Retarget to Fitzgerald (surname) per nom. Multiple Fitzgeralds with 'F' firstnames. Jay 💬 10:15, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep, F. Scott is the primary topic but some readers may forget the 'Scott' so this redirect acts as a memory aid. Randy Kryn (talk) 14:24, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to FitzGerald (surname) per nom. Like jnestorius, I am concerned about this redirect giving the impression that it's an established alternative name for the writer. --Un assiolo (talk) 15:11, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Paris Olympics
- Paris Olympics → 2024 Summer Olympics (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Paris Olympic Games → 2024 Summer Olympics (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The Olympics are over now. Disambiguate. LilianaUwU 23:57, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nomination. Los Angeles Olympics would be the same after the 2028 Games conclude. Ahri Boy (talk) 02:09, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support: per nom. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 02:38, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support: as per nom. 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂 • [𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺] 04:34, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Paris hosting the Olympic Games. -- Tavix 14:25, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget per Tavix (though that article's lead is somewhat poorly written). 1234qwer1234qwer4 15:35, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support disambiguation per nom. Merge Paris hosting the Olympic Games into its respective articles; there is nothing in common between 1900 & 1924 and 2024 except the city. It doesn't warrant an article. IntGrah (talk) 15:44, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- If so, just revert the recent change of Paris Olympics to Paris hosting the Olympic Games and revert to this version. -- Tavix 18:23, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support this – IntGrah (talk) 14:30, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- If so, just revert the recent change of Paris Olympics to Paris hosting the Olympic Games and revert to this version. -- Tavix 18:23, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support disambiguation of Paris Olympics per the nomination and prior discussion. There is strong precedent with Los Angeles Olympics, Salt Lake City Olympics, Lake Placid Olympics, Beijing Olympics, Innsbruck Olympics, Tokyo Olympics, etc. However, the ambiguous term Paris Olympic Games should not redirect to the 2024 instance, but rather to the Paris Olympics disambiguation, effectively restoring the prior redirect there. (A bot recently "fixed" the double-redirect there that would not have existed in the first place if Paris Olympics had been a proper WP:DAB from the start, in line with precedent.) --Tim Parenti (talk) 17:58, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to disambiguation page - Since Paris has hosted three Olympiads, it should be a dab between the three. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v 18:17, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate by restoring this version and moving it back to Paris Olympics, as suggested by Tavix. Rosbif73 (talk) 07:04, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for finding this old version. I hadn't realized that Paris Olympics had been a proper disambiguation page at some point in the past, so your proposal is now my preferred mechanism for its restoration. --Tim Parenti (talk) 18:25, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Make into a dis-ambiguation page the same way it was done successfully with London Olympics. Georgia guy (talk) 11:14, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Paris hosting the Olympic Games which is a broad-concept article and is the disambiguation page. Disambiguation pages should not duplicate BCAs unless there are additional meanings. C F A 💬 02:16, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- As has been pointed out above, Paris hosting the Olympic Games once was a disambiguation page in this old version, before an attempt was made to convert it into an article. However, nothing that is said in any of its sections is not already said (or could not easily be said) in the corresponding article, typically in the lede. Because it merely duplicates the articles it references, it has gone out-of-date in several places — most obviously the over-detailed 2024 section, but also, e.g., updates to the number of athletes who participated in 1900. As it does nothing to actually cover the "relationship between a wide range of related concepts", it is not a proper WP:BCA and is simply duplicative where a WP:DAB would do. --Tim Parenti (talk) 02:47, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- I think the article just needs to be cleaned up. This is a reasonable topic for a broad-concept article. C F A 💬 16:00, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- As has been pointed out above, Paris hosting the Olympic Games once was a disambiguation page in this old version, before an attempt was made to convert it into an article. However, nothing that is said in any of its sections is not already said (or could not easily be said) in the corresponding article, typically in the lede. Because it merely duplicates the articles it references, it has gone out-of-date in several places — most obviously the over-detailed 2024 section, but also, e.g., updates to the number of athletes who participated in 1900. As it does nothing to actually cover the "relationship between a wide range of related concepts", it is not a proper WP:BCA and is simply duplicative where a WP:DAB would do. --Tim Parenti (talk) 02:47, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support DAB per nom, like the discussion at London Olympics, the Paris hosting the Olympic Games should be merged with their articles, and converted/redirected to a DAB. DankJae 18:14, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Paris hosting the Olympic Games per CFA. If there is concern with that page, list at AfD / restore disambiguated version / add merge tags. Jay 💬 10:41, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
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Lauren Sturtevant
Jim Dumps
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8 Ball Pool
Zhujianbu
Bovinaephagia
Tom Ealham
Tuar
Yuvraj Samra
Yes Weekend!
Muhajir Province
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2031 NCAA Division I women's basketball tournament
- 2031 NCAA Division I women's basketball tournament → NCAA Division I women's basketball tournament (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The men's tournament is scheduled to be there. I'm happy to withdraw if it is shown that the women's tournament is also set in the same place. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 06:40, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: There's no relevant information at the target, except that it's apparently scheduled to take place at a specific stadium, which is unsourced. I think this is too far in the future with too little information at the target to be useful. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:25, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
Ethan Herisse
- Ethan Herisse → When They See Us#Cast and characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Now star of Nickel Boys, among other credits. Nardog (talk) 04:11, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
Xwitter
Making Strides Against Breast Cancer
Colleges Against Cancer
- Colleges Against Cancer → American Cancer Society (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target, but occurs in the lead of American Cancer Society Cancer Action Network (from where it is also linked though). 1234qwer1234qwer4 01:59, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 15:21, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Jazz Jackrabbit 2 Facts
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 8#Jazz Jackrabbit 2 Facts
Isle of White Facts
Wasp facts
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 8#Wasp facts
Girlfriend hoax
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 8#Girlfriend hoax
Math facts
Facts on Dallas, TX
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 8#Facts on Dallas, TX
Oasis Facts
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 8#Oasis Facts
Dragon facts
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 8#Dragon facts
Interesting facts
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 8#Interesting facts
Facing the facts
Cancer Facts and Figures
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 8#Cancer Facts and Figures
Pg (elliptic function)
- Pg (elliptic function) → Jacobi elliptic functions#pg (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Target mentions no "pg". 1234qwer1234qwer4 00:54, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - I'm not a mathematician, but I double checked the article state at the time this redirect was created and found no references to "pg" there at all... however, back then, and now, the article is full of discussion about "pq" instead. My best guess is that this was an attempt at a redirect for a typo (except that the target is to a non-existent section, both then and now?). Given that I'm not a mathematician, I will make no commentary on how likely a typo this would be... I suspect mathematicians would be more careful and precise, but maybe this redirect would be helpful for an inattentive math student in university, or to a student of a professor with bad handwriting on the chalkboard? Fieari (talk) 05:38, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Notifying User:matthiaspaul who created the redirect and is still active. Can you clarify what the intention was here? --Un assiolo (talk) 15:46, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Wiimake
Neologism not mentioned in the target. The term is not mentioned anywhere on Wikipedia. Mia Mahey (talk) 05:40, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- I can see it (and the alternate "Wii-make") being used in some news coverage, most prominently "The Case for Wiimakes", but not nearly enough that it would demand usage in the target article or anything. Not sure it does any harm, but the use case seems limited as well. I guess I lean toward deletion, but not strongly. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 14:18, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- i would ALMOST suggest retargeting to the vaguely klonoa-shaped travesty we were cursed with in 2008 as a half-joke, as that seems to be the primary topic for the entire term (not for a good reason, mind you), but that'd be cheap. as is, no idea if it would be better to retarget it to some list of wii games, add a mention there, or delete, but i'll stick with adding a mention for now cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 14:35, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: term is mentioned in reliable sources (Nintendo Life, Wired, eurogamer.net). No reason to delete. Obviously not notable on its own but a redirect is warranted. I would support a mention at Video game remake or elsewhere, but that is not needed for this to be kept. C F A 💬 20:13, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Nintendo Wii and mention the phenomenon somewhere. It's an actual slang term formerly used for porting games to Wii while adding motion controls. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 23:36, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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- Delete unless a mention is added. If we don't have it, we don't have it. Don't leave readers scratching their heads trying to figure out why they arrived to any article which does not mention the term. Steel1943 (talk) 18:54, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Note that Wii Remakes redirects to New Play Control!. Jay 💬 16:12, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Final relist
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Cremastra (talk) 00:47, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete both it and Wii Remakes, without prejudice to recreating both of them if and only if a mention is added to the Wii article, or a similar/adjacent article. We don't currently have information on this subject, so redlink it until such time as we do. Fieari (talk) 07:08, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Koi Mil Gaya 2
Vegas shooting
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 8#Vegas shooting
Canada.
Appending a full stop is an WP:UNNATURAL error. 1234qwer1234qwer4 22:32, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: harmless and WP:CHEAP. Gets steady pageviews. Cremastra (talk) 00:42, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Cremastra. This got 113 hits last year and 60 so far this year indicating that it's a useful term. Given that its unambiguous and harmless there is no reason to delete. Thryduulf (talk) 12:10, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:RTYPO. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:12, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- delete: wp:rtypo (and around 15% of wp:costly, but NOT the pandora part) seems to take priority over wp:cheap in cases like this, and there's precedent to just delete those outright, like this example from a few months ago cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:38, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Other harmless redirects being deleted does not compel us to make the same mistake again. Thryduulf (talk) 12:29, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- see unnatural linked above for why i disagree with calling this a "mistake" cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 19:24, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Other harmless redirects being deleted does not compel us to make the same mistake again. Thryduulf (talk) 12:29, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as per precedence in other RfD discussions which have occurred over the years regarding erroneous/unnecessary full stops. Best keep it consistent. Steel1943 (talk) 21:23, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as WP:UNNATURAL, per everyone else. If you want "Article." to redirect to "Article", that should be done at the MediaWiki level, and Phabricator is thataway. But I still think it's better to have this as a redlink to make it more immediately obvious to the editor that they made a (subtle, not immediately spottable) mistake so that it can be fixed. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 17:07, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - per WP:CHEAP, as it's harmless and objectively useful to people, given the pageviews. Note that being useful to someone is expressly listed as a valid keep reason for RFDs. Fieari (talk) 05:41, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not sure you can conclude that it's "objectively useful" from a trickle of pageviews, because there's no way to know how someone got sent to the redirect in the first place. And as I said just above, I don't think this one is truly harmless, because it obscures a markup/MOS error that an editor might make. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 15:04, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Markup and MOS errors would be trivially detectable by using whatlinkshere and are never a reason to make it harder for readers to find the content they are looking for. Thryduulf (talk) 18:35, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- it's linked to thrice outside of the context of this rfd nomination, evidently by accident every time cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:22, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- You're missing the point. If this redirect exists, anyone that accidentally makes a new (incorrect) link to "Canada." is likely to not notice it because it'll show up as a blue link, whereas if the redirect doesn't exist, it'll show up as red, making the error much easier to spot immediately. Thus, this redirect is harmful. And "what links here" is fine to correct existing errors, but it won't help for spotting new ones, as no one is going to check it regularly. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 14:32, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Markup and MOS errors would be trivially detectable by using whatlinkshere and are never a reason to make it harder for readers to find the content they are looking for. Thryduulf (talk) 18:35, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not sure you can conclude that it's "objectively useful" from a trickle of pageviews, because there's no way to know how someone got sent to the redirect in the first place. And as I said just above, I don't think this one is truly harmless, because it obscures a markup/MOS error that an editor might make. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 15:04, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom and cogsan. --Un assiolo (talk) 15:50, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:CHEAP as harmless. C F A 💬 22:14, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Per WP:UNNATURAL, WP:PANDORA, and based on past precedent at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 November 6#Recently created redirects with a full stop at the end and Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 April 9#Redirects with trailing.. What use is having a period at the end of the word? Does it get views because it comes up in search, or because it's actually useful? I'd wager it's because it comes up ahead of Canada.ca and Canada.com Hey man im josh (talk) 18:27, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- I made a list of some past discussions I found that resulted in deletion relating to ending in an extra period:
- Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 November 26#Daisy Christodoulou.
- Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 August 3#Fly.
- Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 April 10#Ancestral Thames.
- Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 September 3#Myxomatosis.
- Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2017 May 29#Shield Volcano.
- Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2017 November 22#Flag of the District of Columbia.
- Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 January 9#War of the Magi
- Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 January 10#Final Fantasy 3.
- Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 January 23#Bob-ombs.
- Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 March 2#Organisms.
- Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 June 18#National Maritime Day.
- Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 November 16#List of retailers' cooperatives.
- Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 November 24#Same sex marriage is legalized in all 50 US states.
- Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 January 11#Bokashi composting.
- Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 April 30#List of cities in Senegal.
- Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 July 2#Dehydrated.
- Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 July 14#Barack Obama.
- Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 October 27#Paradife loft.
- Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 December 8#Parker Coppins.
- Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 May 16#Palindromes.
- Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 November 6#Recently created redirects with a full stop at the end
- Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 January 3#2004 Indian Ocean earthquake.
- Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 April 9#Redirects with trailing.
- I try to create these types of lists in a spreadsheet that I use for RfD discussions, so I just searched around and found the above. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:07, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Just because we deleted similar redirects previously (that in many cases likely harmed the encyclopaedia for our readers by removing useful redirects) does not mean we need to delete this useful redirect and harm the encyclopaedia even more. WP:PANDORA is harmfully misleading and not a reason to do anything other than remind people citing it that it is nothing more than a mix of WP:OTHERSTUFF, WP:CYRSTAL and WP:IDONTLIKEIT. Thryduulf (talk) 19:44, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- I made a list of some past discussions I found that resulted in deletion relating to ending in an extra period:
Deputy Chief of Staff
Hannon, Ontario
Hastings East (Vancouver)
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 7#Hastings East (Vancouver)
Academy, Alberta
Almadina (school)
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 7#Almadina (school)
Woodridge, Ottawa River, Canada
Cedardale, Ottawa
🆥
I have no idea what this Unicode character is supposed to mean or how it's supposed to be related to the concept of data. Apparently this is U+1F1A5, which per https://www.compart.com/en/unicode/U+1F1A5 is a "Squared Latin Small Letter D". Possible other targets for this redirect include D, wikt:🆥, and Enclosed Alphanumeric Supplement (the Unicode block the character is in). Duckmather (talk) 21:04, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Any thoughts?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris 21:14, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete – most of the hits I get are about Vitamin D, which suggests it is highly ambiguous at best. Cremastra (talk) 21:20, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Enclosed Alphanumeric Supplement links to this PDF which originally proposed the encoding of these TV-related characters. I doubt it has anything to do with Vitamin D as suggested above, but the document does not make the exact meaning of this symbol clear either. 1234qwer1234qwer4 22:27, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- I expect it is more that it is sometimes, for whatever, reason, used as a cool-looking symbol for Vitamin D rather than "officially" being connected. Cremastra (talk) 02:13, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Gorobay: Have you been editing these days? I recall you were the editor I asked questions to about such subject matter. If so, you have any thoughts on this? Steel1943 (talk) 18:05, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- This character is part of a range of symbols in Unicode derived from ARIB STD-B62 related to TV broadcasting technologies. According to this translation, it represents data broadcasting, which would be a more pertinent target than the current target Data. It might also be okay to redirect it to its Unicode block’s page, though I don’t think that is as helpful. Vitamin D is a red herring and not relevant to this discussion: searching for the character on Google brings up results about vitamin D only because Google normalizes “🆥” to “d”, and searching for “d” also brings up results about vitamin D. Gorobay (talk) 17:50, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Implausible search term. --Un assiolo (talk) 15:56, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Enclosed Alphanumeric Supplement, where it will provide information on what the f this character is. At that location, I suggest the meaning of "data broadcasting" be explained, and we can link to that article there, in order to serve the admittedly unlikely possibility of someone already knowing the meaning of the symbol and wanting to get to that article. Far more likely, anyone searching for this stumbled across it in the unicode character map or stumbled across someone using it randomly, and wondering what it is. The unicode block page will provide the information said searcher is looking for. Fieari (talk) 05:43, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget per Fieari. Thryduulf (talk) 10:27, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Data broadcasting or, failing that, Enclosed Alphanumeric Supplement. Enix150 (talk) 01:22, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
Elite slaves
Canadialand
Krish 1
Rubber latex
Predictions of the end of Facebook
- Predictions of the end of Facebook → Facebook (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Predictions of the end of Twitter → Twitter (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
If a reader typing predictions of t into the search bar (after seeing such an article for Google or Wikipedia) stumbles upon a page like Predictions of the end of X which redirects to X social media platform, they may be given the potentially false impression that the article on X may contain information about such predictions and may end up wasting their time scrolling through the article only to potentially conclude that no such information may be present. Sure, they were "merged" into their respective articles, but their poor usefulness is still a problem. – MrPersonHumanGuy (talk) 17:38, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep End of Facebook and refine to Facebook#Userbase, the last paragraph of which has content on predictions of the end of Facebook. Weirdly enough I can't actually find anything like that for Twitter, despite the widespread doomposting after Musk bought it, but I would expect it would be worth a sentence or two at least in Twitter under Elon Musk or Acquisition of Twitter by Elon Musk. Rusalkii (talk) 19:01, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep of Facebook one: mentioned but I don't think it's that plausible a search term, nor something it makes sense to link to from other articles, but it does no harm. Delete Twitter one unless mentioned somewhere, in which case (weakly) keep or retarget as appropriate. -- Tamzin (they|xe) 21:09, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Refine the Facebook one per Rusalkii, above. Delete twitter one, it can be recreated if/once information about the many news articles speculating about the end of twitter under Elon is added to an article. Fieari (talk) 01:34, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
Verenigd Koninkrijk
- Verenigd Koninkrijk → United Kingdom (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Delete per WP:RLANG – Dutch name for the United Kingdom. Cremastra (talk) 17:25, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:40, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Dutch exonyms#United Kingdom where it's mentioned. -- Tavix 18:05, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 16:01, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Do not keep per everyone who has participate thus far in this discussion. Steel1943 (talk) 20:07, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
Volcanoe facts
Sufferin' succotash
- Sufferin' succotash → Sylvester the Cat (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Suffering succotash → Sylvester the Cat (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
A catchphrase not mentioned at the target article. People interested in reading about this character would be more likely to search for the character. There is no content about this phrase here, and Wikipedia is not a search engine for "who said this line". Utopes (talk / cont) 17:59, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
Keep[Changed to retarget below]: What's the problem and what's your suggestion? I don't see a problem here, and "who said this line" is a helpful service. — BarrelProof (talk) 18:06, 8 August 2024 (UTC)- The problem is as described above (i.e. catchphrases not mentioned at target articles are problematic and misleading due to inherent lack of context and confusion caused for readers). My suggestion is to delete, aligning with past precedents that: "phrase, lyric, and quote redirects that point to articles where they are not mentioned are misleading and cause confusion for readers"; such was the result for a sizeable set of RfDs nominated early this year: Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 January 12#It's not personal. It's strictly business. In this situation, there is currently no mention of any "suffering" being undergone by anyone, much less the variation of "sufferin'" used as a search term dropping the "g". "Succotash" is also not mentioned nor alluded to in the article at this time. Utopes (talk / cont) 18:58, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- I guess your italics indicate a quote from somewhere, and there must've been some prior discussion of this issue that I'm not familiar with. I thought the threshold for a redirect was lower than it would be for a DAB (i.e., WP:DABMENTION). In my personal experience, people sometimes remember a catchphrase but can't remember the name of the person who said it or what show it was in, and just need a little reminder. "To the Moon, Alice!" — BarrelProof (talk) 19:18, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Apologies for the confusion; the italics was a retelling of my nomination statement, which in turn summarizes some past discussions about unmentioned "r from catchphrases" and "r from lyrics".
- I fully agree that a tool for searching a catchphrase in order to find the source is a great function, but it more suitable for open-ended search engines such as Google or Youtube which aggregate differently. Doing so on Wikipedia would only work for an exact title match of existing content, and nothing will appear in the built-in search engine for those without mentions in the article. To the Moon, Alice! is an example of a suitable r from catchphrase, as it's a phrase that receives a mention in the plot section as well as allusions in the legacy section (that is if this quote is a version of "bang zoom straight to the moon", which is the aspect discussed and referred to here). Utopes (talk / cont) 19:33, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- To push back on that a little, just because Google (or the Youtube site it operates) might usually do a better job of finding a subject doesn't mean a search string is not worth trying to have at all. Wikipedia is less spammy (among other considerations), and its search box sometimes leads to what you're looking for if no one deletes the redirect at (or similar to) the string you type. "Sufferin' succotash" is an extremely famous phrase for this character, and is only two words, so it wouldn't have a lot of variation in what people would type to look for it. — BarrelProof (talk) 20:16, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- I guess your italics indicate a quote from somewhere, and there must've been some prior discussion of this issue that I'm not familiar with. I thought the threshold for a redirect was lower than it would be for a DAB (i.e., WP:DABMENTION). In my personal experience, people sometimes remember a catchphrase but can't remember the name of the person who said it or what show it was in, and just need a little reminder. "To the Moon, Alice!" — BarrelProof (talk) 19:18, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- The problem is as described above (i.e. catchphrases not mentioned at target articles are problematic and misleading due to inherent lack of context and confusion caused for readers). My suggestion is to delete, aligning with past precedents that: "phrase, lyric, and quote redirects that point to articles where they are not mentioned are misleading and cause confusion for readers"; such was the result for a sizeable set of RfDs nominated early this year: Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 January 12#It's not personal. It's strictly business. In this situation, there is currently no mention of any "suffering" being undergone by anyone, much less the variation of "sufferin'" used as a search term dropping the "g". "Succotash" is also not mentioned nor alluded to in the article at this time. Utopes (talk / cont) 18:58, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Questions: Would this nomination include Suffering succotash? Would a soft redirect of both to wikt:suffering succotash work? — AjaxSmack 20:41, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Indeed that's basically the same. I had forgotten that Daffy Duck also says it. Wiktionary seems to explain it pretty well, although I've never encountered the "suffering savior" assertion before. — BarrelProof (talk) 20:49, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Broadcast Standards and Practices#Press Your Luck, which does a good job of explaining this phrase and who said it, and discusses a notable episode in its history. (This assumes that content is correct and will stay there – the discussion there is unsourced and not clearly relevant to Broadcast Standards and Practices.) BTW, the phrase is also mentioned in Yankee Dood It. The redirect shouldn't be deleted. — BarrelProof (talk) 21:14, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Indeed that's basically the same. I had forgotten that Daffy Duck also says it. Wiktionary seems to explain it pretty well, although I've never encountered the "suffering savior" assertion before. — BarrelProof (talk) 20:49, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete to favour search results. Its mention as an example in a game show would not be an appropriate target. Note that Succotash#In popular culture also could have been a target. In fact, the redirect was created in 2013 to target that page. Also I'm bundling suffering succotash per AjaxSmack. Jay 💬 09:40, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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University Institutes of Technology
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 7#University Institutes of Technology
The Switch
- The Switch → Nintendo Switch (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Oh noes. An editor changed the target redirect to the video game console Nintendo Switch from the longstanding common household item switch (as in light switch, etc.). Maybe a redirect to the dab page would be necessary as both entries have no primary topic. ScarletViolet tc 10:49, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Actually, since the release of the Nintendo Switch, its been pointing to the dab page. It's also very unusual for those typing "The Switch" when they are looking for the page switch because its unlikely would include the definite article and also because most people do it in all lowercase. I also note that the video game console gets way more views than films titled "The Switch"
but idk if people actually type "The Switch" looking for the console. Just like someone typing "The Tube" is likely looking for the London Underground metro system (it currently redirects there) than the normal article about various types of tubes at tube (disambiguation) JuniperChill (talk) 18:36, 31 August 2024 (UTC) - The Retarget to Switch (disambiguation) tbh. that one also has switches that are the cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:59, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget back to the dab page. Looking for what is actually the primary topic here (rather than just blindly assuming as those above appear to have done) we find that there are three topics that have Wikipedia articles that could be primary: The Switch (2010 film), The Switch (1967 film) and The Switch (TV series), but none of them are clearly primary over the others so the dab page is best. Thryduulf (talk) 14:11, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to DAB. There are multiple possibilities to what the searcher could be looking for, let's help them out. Fieari (talk) 05:49, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- I was about to close this discussion, and understood that all participants are supporting the nomination. Then checked the history of the redirect and saw that it was JuniperChill who had changed the target to the game with summary
surely the Nintendo Switch is primary for this term
. I re-read JuniperChill's comment multiple times, and I'm unsure about the stand of the editor, especially the part aboutidk if people actually type "The Switch" looking for the console.
Jay 💬 15:34, 8 September 2024 (UTC)- Sorry if I got this comment here mixed up with my edit summary as I must have forgotten what I said when I changed the redirect target. My stance is that when people type "The Switch", they are likely looking for the Nintendo Switch. If they type "the switch", they are likely looking for the general term. I have also added a link above stating that the console gets 10x the views as The Switch (2010 film) and other films titled "The Switch" get virtually nothing. I have also crossed out the part to prevent any confusion. JuniperChill (talk) 15:55, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
FuBl 2
- FuBl 2 → Instrument landing system (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. Is this referring to the differently capitalised "FuBL 2" at Luftwaffe_radio_equipment_of_World_War_II#Navigation_and_direction_finding? 1234qwer1234qwer4 02:15, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Crab angle
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 7#Crab angle
True democracy
- True democracy → Direct democracy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The term "true democracy" is used to promote all kinds of reforms, with no one type of reform being the primary topic (I checked both Google web search and Google book search). Hence, convert to DAB with four entries: "any form of democratization", "any type of electoral reform", "scoring well on Democracy indices", and True Democracy (album). Jruderman (talk) 13:40, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete this and True Democracy. I created the nominated redirect 18 years ago and changed the redirection of the second one around the same time, and now realize these were mistakes. It is a hopelessly vague term that I apparently associated with direct democracy back then but back then I didn't realize all the connotations and the future complexities in Wikipedia's content, and to be clear, the Wikipedia was quite a "wild west" in 2006 compared to today. Further, a disambiguation would be rather useless with only one similarly worded term. All the suggestions of similar ideas here aren't really for a typical disambiguation, and comes off as something akin to original research or at best, stretching a phrase's meaning too far. Just delete the sucker. Stefen 𝕋owers among the rest! 18:16, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- It might have to be a dab page (or redirect) just because of the music album. Jruderman (talk) 19:14, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- We don't create dab pages to go to one thing. If you're concerned about people finding the album, what you do is delete this redirect and True Democracy (also as unnecessary as the one nominated here), then move True Democracy (album) to True Democracy, since it's the only "True Democracy" entity covered in the encyclopedia. There was not a need to disambiguate that album. Stefen 𝕋owers among the rest! 19:24, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- It might have to be a dab page (or redirect) just because of the music album. Jruderman (talk) 19:14, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- Move True Democracy (album) to True Democracy. Retarget True democracy there. --Un assiolo (talk) 14:15, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- To the closer: If I wasn't clear, this is the solution I want as well. Stefen 𝕋owers among the rest! 04:30, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
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⧧
While the Unicode character is called "THERMODYNAMIC", I don't see how the current target would be helpful to any reader. 1234qwer1234qwer4 23:12, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - while it might not be the most useful, deleting it would be less useful. If the unicode character represents thermodynamics then we should redirect there BugGhost🦗👻 00:46, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- Deleting it would at least make it clear that we have no content on this symbol. As a reader, I would have trouble understanding why some very abstract character would redirect me to a physics article with no explanation of the symbol. 1234qwer1234qwer4 14:31, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep – see this discussion for evidence of use. Cremastra (talk) 23:45, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- If anything, that is an argument to retarget to Wiktionary. 1234qwer1234qwer4 02:06, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Weak Keep - On the balance of things, I think I prefer keeping the user on wikipedia when we have information they might be looking for rather than to offsite or crosswiki them. The symbol means thermodynamic, we have information on what that means, so it's the best target. That said, I would not strenuously object to crosswiki linking it to wiktionary. I would strenuously object to deleting the redirect altogether. Fieari (talk) 05:57, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Ḙ
- Ḙ → Circumflex (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Ṷ → Circumflex (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
These were nominated in 2010 as part of a WP:TRAINWRECKy nomination already, but they are not mentioned at the target, which barely talks about a circumflex below (note that this is currently a red link) at all. 1234qwer1234qwer4 21:32, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retain The solution surely is to add content about 'circumflex below' to the circumflex article. This is a credible redirect, though I haven't found a citation for it. I came across a suggestion that 'circumflex below' is used in IPA, perhaps Nardog can advise? --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 22:13, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- Not that I know of, currently or historically. The inverted breve below and the caron below are used, but not the circumflex below. Nardog (talk) 01:05, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Nardog:, the Unicode character index (for the combining diacritic) reads
U+032D ◌̭ COMBINING CIRCUMFLEX ACCENT BELOW • Americanist: fronted articulation
. Perhaps that was the concept? (I'm 50 fathoms out of my depth here, so apologies in advance if this is a stupid question.) --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 18:24, 24 August 2024 (UTC)- There is some information on the usage at fr:Accent circonflexe souscrit. 1234qwer1234qwer4 21:06, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- The Uralic Phonetic Alphabet is not the same as Americanist phonetic notation. Nardog (talk) 01:44, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- That usage is mentioned in Americanist phonetic notation#Common alternate symbols. Nardog (talk) 01:43, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- There is some information on the usage at fr:Accent circonflexe souscrit. 1234qwer1234qwer4 21:06, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Nardog:, the Unicode character index (for the combining diacritic) reads
- Not that I know of, currently or historically. The inverted breve below and the caron below are used, but not the circumflex below. Nardog (talk) 01:05, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- Unless Ḙ is strongly associated with one language, I recommend giving it the same fate as "Circumflex below" (currently a red link). Assuming this is the case, where should "Circumflex below" redirect? Most likely to one of the following: Circumflex#Unicode, Circumflex#Circumflex_below (a new, more specific section), or Combining character (a more general article). Jruderman (talk) 01:10, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- Definitely Circumflex#Circumflex below, as per Dot (diacritic) (which has #Overdot, #Underdot and #Sidedot). The principle is clear, the practical issue is the need for someone who knows the first thing about the topic (rules me out) to write a couple of sentences. The article should have that section. It is certainly mentioned at Uralic Phonetic Alphabet#Modifiers, so would it be enough to say that
The circumflex below is a notation used by the Uralic Phonetic Alphabet to indicate a raised variant of a vowel
? - I don't see it anywhere at Americanist phonetic notation but specifically not at Americanist phonetic notation#Common alternate symbols. Is it a Unicode Consortium error? [see https://www.unicode.org/charts/nameslist/n_0300.html ]). 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 16:53, 25 August 2024 (UTC) revised 17:03, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- Definitely Circumflex#Circumflex below, as per Dot (diacritic) (which has #Overdot, #Underdot and #Sidedot). The principle is clear, the practical issue is the need for someone who knows the first thing about the topic (rules me out) to write a couple of sentences. The article should have that section. It is certainly mentioned at Uralic Phonetic Alphabet#Modifiers, so would it be enough to say that
- We should add Ṱ · Ḽ · Ḓ · Ṋ to the RfD, right? Jruderman (talk) 01:17, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- Wrong. These are mentioned at Circumflex#Diacritic_on_consonants, and the nomination does not apply to them. 1234qwer1234qwer4 14:42, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Link to previous RfD (2010) — Jruderman (talk) 01:21, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
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CBIs
List of ambassadors of Turkey to Burundi
- List of ambassadors of Turkey to Burundi → Burundi–Turkey relations (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The target article Burundi–Turkey relations contains no list of ambassadors. LibStar (talk) 03:46, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep and merge the content behind the redirect into the target article, which is what should have been done in the first place rather than redirecting. Thryduulf (talk) 14:15, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Also I think "List of" is an unlikely search term. LibStar (talk) 05:47, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Why? We have hundreds of thousands of titles beginning "List of". It strikes me as an extremely plausible search term for someone wanting a list of X to search for "List of X". Thryduulf (talk) 10:21, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- @LibStar, @Thryduulf: Based on the prefix finder, it looks like we have 1,883 articles that start with "List of ambassadors". That's what makes this also strike me as a very plausible prefix to any "ambassadors of" search. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:18, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Why? We have hundreds of thousands of titles beginning "List of". It strikes me as an extremely plausible search term for someone wanting a list of X to search for "List of X". Thryduulf (talk) 10:21, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep and merge per Thryduulf. I search for "List of" redirects all the time. C F A 💬 22:18, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
Laws of work
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Glue70
Speako
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Bames jond
The BFG (1987 film)
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Squeezel
created as the "vietnamese word for porcupine". if wiktionary is to be trusted, it's not cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 18:22, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Cogsan: Please don't forget to notify the creator of the redirect. I've done that now. CycloneYoris 19:04, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- oh, they're still active. neat. thanks cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 19:35, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- My first thought was this.
- It appears to be from something from Anthony Bourdain: No Reservations [32][33]. So that at least explains it, and I don't see it sreferring to anything else. There is a mention (with a different spelling) at Anthony Bourdain: No Reservations#Vietnam, so I would suggest retargetting there; since it links to the correct species (the Malayan porcupine). Cremastra (talk) 23:37, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Sounds good to me. -Kaz (talk) 00:58, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Move to squeasel and retarget to the program. We don't know if it's a term at all, as the episode summaries are all unsourced. deviantart says
Squeasel, [is] a hybrid of a squirrel and a weasel
. Jay 💬 15:54, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
Ilspile
Multiplicities
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Ragg tuning fork
- Ragg tuning fork → Tuning fork (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
that's apparently some brand that produces tuning forks. not mentioned in the target, doesn't seem like there's anything reliable regarding it cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 14:09, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment, it is a brand but from what I can tell it seems to be one of, if not the, most notable manufacturer of tuning forks with at least two apparently reliable sources discussing it in depth [34] and [35] so there would be no verifiability issues with adding a mention. Whether a mention would be due or not I don't know, but I can't say for certain it wouldn't be. The redirect is getting suprisingly many views (over 100 this year), at least some of those will be because it's linked at rock gong but whether that's responsible for all of them I can't say (if the redirect is deleted that link must be updated). Thryduulf (talk) 14:33, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
- weird place to put what's effectively an ad (or mistaking "ragg" as being part of the name), but i won't question it cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 14:54, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
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The greatest star cast ever assembled– the greatest story ever told
- The greatest star cast ever assembled– the greatest story ever told → Sholay (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Seems both too long and incredibly specific to the point where I can't see it being used. Zippybonzo | talk | contribs (they/them) 12:08, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Sholay is likely the most popular Indian film ever, and everything from its marketing taglines to dialogues to even the names of minor characters are familiar with everyday people (the FA is pretty indepth about this). It includes this as well. Gotitbro (talk) 12:39, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Gotitbro. voorts (talk/contributions) 18:55, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment While I would tend to agree with the nom, it's too new to tell. If it's useful, it will be used. Time will tell and the stats will reflect whether it's useful or not. ButlerBlog (talk) 21:10, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Ambiguous with The Greatest Story Ever Told, and therefore misleading. CycloneYoris 00:59, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Also note the redirects created by the same creator on the same day. But the nominated one does have a problem with no space before the hyphen.
- The greatest star cast ever assembled
- The Greatest Star Cast Ever Assembled
- Greatest Star Cast Ever Assembled
- The Greatest Story Ever Told (Sholay)
- Greatest Story Ever Told (Sholay)
- The Greatest Star Cast Ever Assembled The Greatest Story Ever Told
- Greatest Star Cast Ever Assembled The Greatest Story Ever Told
- Greatest Star Cast Ever Assembled Greatest Story Ever Told
- Jay 💬 06:45, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- does this count as blatantly and overly promotional? this is the only example i could find of a tagline being a redirect (where's a superhero movie with a mind of its own for megamind?). if it counts, then delete all per that. if it doesn't, then delete all as vague instead, since results for both of those sentences mostly gave me top whatever many "greatest x" lists cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:46, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
Margaretville station
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ETDA
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Real people
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Hypeicane
not a word, it seems. results gave me beer and "hype hurricanes" cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:50, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I don't know what the original intention was, but retargeting to hypercane as an {{r from typo}} seems reasonable. Paradoctor (talk) 21:04, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- On a keyboard, I is three keys across from R. Not aware of any other keyboard layouts that have R and I next to eachother. mwwv ∫edits 13:13, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Not all typos come from greasy fingers. For example, some people are prone to snooperisms Paradoctor (talk) 19:15, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- ...nah, i think this one's just a skill issue. really hard to rationalize cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 04:32, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- There is nothing to "rationalize", only for you to realize that there's more to things than the limited set of preconceptions that constitute your factory setting. Sheesh. FYI, I'm one of those for whom "typo" means more than base motor issues. Paradoctor (talk) 05:13, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- i mean, if we don't even know what word this is supposed to be a typo of... cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 17:41, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- You're not hearing me. You still presume that the only possible way of producing typos is greasy fingers. Which has been refuted. Paradoctor (talk) 02:36, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- i am hearing you, but i can't think of any possible case in which someone would input i instead of r. spoonerisms are out of the question since that's not what a spoonerism is (for starters, it would require that either word have an i and no r). fat fingers are out of the question unless someone theoretically has a keyboard not even half the size of their palm (in which case fair enough, but you really need a bigger one), greasy fingers are out of the question because there's a t key right next to r just begging to lick them clean, hitting your keyboard with a baseball bat is a bad idea, don't do that (also it's unlikely to land on the i and no other letter), and deliberately using different letters relative to their location on the keyboard or alphabet (but only halfway through, and presumably for one letter), because trying any form of consistent pattern only gave me hypeisfcv and hypeixefu. there's also the issue of it apparently being a "related term" (as in probably not a typo) to hyperbole, but results only gave me this redirect, and circular logic is something best kept in adult swim shows
- if you have some idea of what this could theoretically be that can't be compared to calling a song in 4/4 a waltz, i would really appreciate it cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 13:01, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
i can't think
- I rest my case. Paradoctor (talk) 13:32, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Cogsan: Just because you don't make that particular typo does not mean nobody does. For example, possibly the most common typo I make is "musuem" for "museum", that is not due to fat fingers or greasy fingers, but I assure you it is a typo. Additionally, QWERTY keyboards are not the only input method. Thryduulf (talk) 13:59, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- there's a difference between "musuem" and "hypeicane"; musuem just switches two letters of a word around. it's plausible if you're typing a little too fast. hypeicane, assuming it's just a typo of hypercane, which the creator seemingly did not think was the case, switches a letter for another letter that is not even normally in that word, and isn't close enough to r to justify a misinput, close enough to p to justify a... misinput (there really has to be a better word), or phonetically similar enough to justify a mishearing
- as for the keyboard layouts, i checked every single layout mentioned on wikipedia to make that claim, and the only ones that have i close enough to p or r to justify any plausible form of misspelling are bépo and dvorak, and if you want to argue that an apparently obscure french layout and a layout designed with the specific intention of reducing errors (though its effectivity in that area is debated) could justify that, then go ahead, i guess cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 14:19, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- You're not hearing me. You still presume that the only possible way of producing typos is greasy fingers. Which has been refuted. Paradoctor (talk) 02:36, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- i mean, if we don't even know what word this is supposed to be a typo of... cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 17:41, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- There is nothing to "rationalize", only for you to realize that there's more to things than the limited set of preconceptions that constitute your factory setting. Sheesh. FYI, I'm one of those for whom "typo" means more than base motor issues. Paradoctor (talk) 05:13, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- ...nah, i think this one's just a skill issue. really hard to rationalize cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 04:32, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Not all typos come from greasy fingers. For example, some people are prone to snooperisms Paradoctor (talk) 19:15, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- On a keyboard, I is three keys across from R. Not aware of any other keyboard layouts that have R and I next to eachother. mwwv ∫edits 13:13, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Hypercane and tag as {{R from typo}} per Paradoctor. Seems plausible enough for keeping. CycloneYoris 07:50, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - not a word, not a plausible typo. No one has been able to justify why this redirect was created, and the creator cannot, as he has been banned from enwiki. Jay 💬 06:52, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
Talmeeh
Saint Boy
- Saint Boy → Modern pentathlon at the 2020 Summer Olympics – Women's (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention in the target article. Pelmeen10 (talk) 18:42, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Appears to be the name of a horse used by both Annika Schleu and Gulnaz Gubaydullina. It's mentioned at both of their articles, but I think search results are best as neither article has more info than the other. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 20:45, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep and add that information to the article. If neither has more info than the other, then the appropriate place to link is the event page where both competitors are listed. --Habst (talk) 13:14, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- How can you vote "keep" if such info is not added? Info should come before redirect. Pelmeen10 (talk) 17:50, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Pelmeen10, redirect discussions are not votes; see WP:NOTAVOTE. I didn't just vote to keep, I am recommending to both keep and add the info to the article, not one without the other. I don't mind in which order it's done. --Habst (talk) 23:35, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- How can you vote "keep" if such info is not added? Info should come before redirect. Pelmeen10 (talk) 17:50, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per Presidentman, unless useful content is made available at the current target. Jay 💬 15:09, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to Annika Schleu#2020 Tokyo Olympics, which is where the horse is mentioned. According to the content there, that particular horse's performance and athlete Schleu's treatment of it were the catalyst for the decision to officially drop equestrian from the modern pentathlon. [36][37] The decision to drop equestrian from the sport is mentioned in the article Modern pentathlon, but not the horse itself. The horse will likely continue being mentioned in Annika Schleu because that is when/where/how the incident with the horse happened. If later the horse gets mentioned in Modern pentathlon, then the redirect can be changed. Until then, it should point to Annika Schleu#2020 Tokyo Olympics. The current target (Modern pentathlon at the 2020 Summer Olympics – Women's) is not the appropriate place. ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 16:47, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Better yet, add {{Anchor|Saint Boy}} just under § 2020 Tokyo Olympics, and redirect to Annika Schleu#Saint Boy. That is how I would do it. ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 16:51, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Why should it redirect to Annika Schleu and not Gulnaz Gubaydullina? Jay 💬 11:20, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- Apparently, Schleu beat the horse, and her trainer punched it. Gubaydullina, who also rode that horse, had not abused it. The abuses led to questioning whether horses should even be part of pentathlons, ultimately leading to the decision to drop horse riding from the sport. This information is covered in the Annika Schleu article, not Gulnaz Gubaydullina. ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 21:41, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks. It was not very clear when I read the Annika Schleu article. After your explanation, when I read it again, it became clear. I see there are some details in the trainer Kim Raisner's article which are not present in Annika Schleu. Jay 💬 07:52, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Apparently, Schleu beat the horse, and her trainer punched it. Gubaydullina, who also rode that horse, had not abused it. The abuses led to questioning whether horses should even be part of pentathlons, ultimately leading to the decision to drop horse riding from the sport. This information is covered in the Annika Schleu article, not Gulnaz Gubaydullina. ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 21:41, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment: Seriously? It didn't need to be relisted. Can I just change it to point to Annika Schleu#2020 Tokyo Olympics? ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 02:34, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- That's not the current consensus. The ambiguity of the redirect seems to also leave deletion and retargeting to other locations as options. Thus, the relist ... need clearer consensus. Steel1943 (talk) 12:57, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- The best solution would be to have a summary of the incidents at the current target rather than just arbitrarily targeting one of the biographies where the horse is mentioned (Annika Schleu, Kim Raisner, Gulnaz Gubaydullina). -- Tavix 13:06, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Surely you mean Modern pentathlon § Replacement of riding with obstacle course racing and not the current target of Modern pentathlon at the 2020 Summer Olympics – Women's which has zero content about the horse, the riders or the incident! However, the details of Annika Schleu's involvement, including the mention of the horse's name, is irrelevant to the broader subject of removing riding from the pentathlon. So its location within article Annika Schleu is appropriate since that is the horse Schleu was sanctioned for abusing. The horse itself is not notable. I'm sure there's a redirect solely for when someone wants to search... "I remember something about a horse named Saint Boy in the pentathlon. What was that?" ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 16:01, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- No, I meant exactly what I said. The incidents regarding Saint Boy occurred during Modern pentathlon at the 2020 Summer Olympics – Women's, so there should be a write up at that page of what happened. I am aware that has not yet been added. -- Tavix 16:01, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Surely you mean Modern pentathlon § Replacement of riding with obstacle course racing and not the current target of Modern pentathlon at the 2020 Summer Olympics – Women's which has zero content about the horse, the riders or the incident! However, the details of Annika Schleu's involvement, including the mention of the horse's name, is irrelevant to the broader subject of removing riding from the pentathlon. So its location within article Annika Schleu is appropriate since that is the horse Schleu was sanctioned for abusing. The horse itself is not notable. I'm sure there's a redirect solely for when someone wants to search... "I remember something about a horse named Saint Boy in the pentathlon. What was that?" ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 16:01, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
Eumephism
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Code phrase
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Minister for Cities
- Minister for Cities → Minister for Infrastructure, Transport, Regional Development and Local Government#List of ministers for cities (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Minister for cities → Cabinet Office#Ministers and Civil Servants (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not sure if this is the best target as Minister for Cities (Australia) exists - also not sure if that is the best title for that article either. I'm not familiar with the recent political cabinet reshuffling so there might be content forking between the current target and Minister for Cities (Australia). Fork99 (talk) 02:29, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to Minister for Cities (Australia) since that article is no longer a redirect in and of itself. Aydoh8 (talk | contribs) 02:35, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- When I created the redirect (Minister for Cities), I wasn't aware that the Minister for Cities (Australia) page existed already. In that case, I am happy for the redirect to be deleted straight up or redirect to Minister for Cities (Australia). Marcnut1996 (talk) 03:32, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- I disagree – if that's the primary topic, it should be moved to the title "Minister for Cities", and if it's not the primary topic then "Minister for Cities" shouldn't redirect there. jlwoodwa (talk) 22:38, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Note I've added the lowercase Minister for cities redirect to this discussion as they should both lead to the same place. The target section of that redirect no longer mentions a minister for cities though. Thryduulf (talk) 09:07, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Set index this and similar titles seem to be created regularly in different parts of the world with none obviously primary. In a few minutes searching I found all the following:
- City Minister,
- Regional minister#Developments since 2010
- Minister for Planning (New South Wales)#Cities
- Minister for Cities (Australia)
- Minister for the Environment and Water (Australia)#List of ministers for cities and the built environment
- Angus Taylor (politician)#Assistant Minister for Cities and Digital Transformation
- Minister for Cities and Rural Areas (mentioned at Frederiksen II Cabinet#List of ministers)
- Minister for Cities, Urban Infrastructure and Population (mentioned at First Morrison ministry#Outer ministry
- Minister for cities and urban development (Cote D'Ivoire, mentioned at François Amichia)
- State Secretary for Cities (mentioned at Borne government#State Secretaries)
- Cabinet Secretary for Health, Wellbeing and Cities Strategy and a "Minister for cities" (mentioned at Cabinet Secretary for Health and Social Care (Scotland)
- (some might be duplicates, I've run out of time to sort and sanitise). Thryduulf (talk) 09:21, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate. The UK had a Minister from Cities from 2011-15, before the post was merged into other ministries, see Regional_minister#Developments_since_2010. The UK also has the similarly named City Minister (2008-present), which is actually responsible for the City of London financial district not cities, but could easily be confused. Thryduulf has found several other similarly named positions in other countries. So while the Australian post might be the extant position that most closely matches the exact redirect phrasing, it would be better if both capitalisations led to a Minister for Cities (disambiguation) page. Modest Genius 10:33, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- I suggest moving Minister for Cities (Australia) → Minister for Cities and moving Minister for Cities → Minister for Cities (disambiguation). The Australian portfolio (being extant) is the primary topic. --DilatoryRevolution (talk) 08:17, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate/set indexify per Thryduulf and Modest Genius. Term is too generic for a primary topic redirect to a specific position. C F A 💬 21:56, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Note: A requested move was made regarding these redirects and procedurally closed + no consensus because this discussion is ongoing; permalink: Special:Permalink/1240763459. Fork99 (talk) 10:16, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate. There is also a Ministry of Cities in Brazil. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:08, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: Opinions seems split between creating a disambiguation page at the base title, or claiming Minister for Cities (Australia) is the primary topic. (Either way, seems a disambiguation page needs to be created somewhere ... but is that "somewhere" the base title or a title ending with "(disambiguation)"?)
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- Comment: Per CFA, I also think that the title is too ambiguous and generic to have a primary topic - the Australian one might be "extant" per DilatoryRevolution as of right now, but this could change in the future as political portfolios get shuffled around fairly often. Fork99 (talk) 07:34, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
Sarcasm Kills
Sarcastive
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Sacrcastic comment
MetaphoR
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Greater Manchester bus route 17
Roland Burris Burial Site
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Do your own research
Multiplicity of a restricted root
- Multiplicity of a restricted root → Multiplicity (mathematics) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
"restricted root" is not mentioned at the target (and is only used a few times in the entire English Wikipedia's mainspace). 1234qwer1234qwer4 12:48, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Not into mathematics, but searching gave me Plancherel theorem for spherical functions#Harish-Chandra's Plancherel theorem that has "α is called a restricted root and is called its multiplicity." Jay 💬 13:01, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
- That does seem like an appropriate target, it looks like I've overlooked it. 1234qwer1234qwer4 14:27, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
- It's not really an appropriate target. A restricted root is an element of a root system of a semisimple Lie algebra, and its multiplicity is the dimension of the associated eigenspace. This has little to do with Harish-Chandra's theorem. I think Semisimple Lie algebra would be more appropriate. Tito Omburo (talk) 11:49, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- That does seem like an appropriate target, it looks like I've overlooked it. 1234qwer1234qwer4 14:27, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Retarget to Semisimple Lie algebra as suggested by Tito Omburo. XOR'easter (talk) 23:22, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: Unclear which target would be most suitable…
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3-3 duopyramid
Sudan (South)
Template:MBTI Instrument
- Template:MBTI Instrument → Myers–Briggs Type Indicator (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Three more template space redirects pointing to Myers–Briggs Type Indicator (added 12:40, 29 August 2024 (UTC))
- Template:MBTI Archetypes, was merged to Myers–Briggs Type Indicator
- Template:MBTI Cognitive Functions, was merged to ISTJ
- Template:Mtbi instrument, alias of Template:MBTI Instrument
A few years ago, this template became unused, and was redirected to the main MBTI article. Isn't the normal procedure for unused templates to be deleted? I don't see why one would do a redirect from template space to an article. 🤷 Paradoctor (talk) 01:45, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Do these need to be kept for attribution? --Un assiolo (talk) 15:35, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Restore and TfD? Jay 💬 11:24, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
Super transformation (Sonic the Hedgehog)
List of items in Sonic games
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 5#List of items in Sonic games
Super Emeralds
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 5#Super Emeralds
Ideal Grotesque(typeface)
We was robbed
Sonic timeline
Australia 2032
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 4#Australia 2032
Automatic MatchMaker
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 6#Automatic MatchMaker
Death Knight (Warcraft III)
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 4#Death Knight (Warcraft III)
Third Great War
King P
King Porky
Monsoon Revolution
- Monsoon Revolution → Non-cooperation movement (2024) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Non-cooperation movement (2024) is not known as "Monsoon Revolution". There is no source verify that. In that way, this redirect is WP:OR. Also Monsoon Revolution is the name of a book "Monsoon Revolution: Republicans, Sultans, and Empires in Oman, 1965-1976". Redirect this to the subject creates confusion. It needs to be deleted. Mehedi Abedin 04:49, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep I found at least one source that is calling it "Monsoon Revolution". [38] Za-ari-masen (talk) 05:38, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. The above source had been removed from the article. I also found the one I had originally heard this term used in [39] (just after the 4 minute mark in the audio) and added a note about the alternative name back to the intro of Non-cooperation movement (2024). Given that it has also been used for the Dhofar War (which is what the book is apparently about), perhaps this should be made into a disambiguation page between those two? -- Beland (talk) 06:47, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate: There are only three hits for the name that pertain to the NCM in Bangladesh. The name is used for other events as well as mentioned above. PadFoot (talk) 07:01, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate: In that case disambiguation is the better idea considering what Beland and PadFoot2008 said. Mehedi Abedin 07:16, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose: It doesn't seem like this is the name that sticks. I did notice that an article was made entitled July 36 where it is said that that is what Bangladeshis calling the date of Sheikh Hasina's removal. I think we're seeing a scenario akin to the Revolution of Dignity in Ukraine. Image2012 (talk) 11:06, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Cremastra (talk) 13:05, 28 August 2024 (UTC)- @Image2012: What are you opposing? Deletion per the original nomination, or the disambiguation suggestion per the nom's later choice? Do you want the redirect to be kept as is? Jay 💬 06:59, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- I’m going to say the latter. We don’t seem to have enough evidence for the term’s usage to refer to either the Non-cooperation movement or the Dhofar War. Image2012 (talk) 09:14, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Image2012: What are you opposing? Deletion per the original nomination, or the disambiguation suggestion per the nom's later choice? Do you want the redirect to be kept as is? Jay 💬 06:59, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
Thermal enegy
Fuzzy Wuzzy the Furbolg
- Fuzzy Wuzzy the Furbolg → Defence of the Ancients (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. * Pppery * it has begun... 03:02, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- The only hits on Google [40] are Wikipedia, which is never a good sign; other search engines [41] [42] [43] are no better. It appears "firbolgs" are a thing in D&D [44], but "Fuzzy Wuzzy the Firbolg" is no improvement [45].
- "Fuzzy Wuzzy" + "Defence of the Ancients" at least returns multiple results [46], although this includes at least two sketchy all-in-Cyrillic sites I decline to investigate further (and a surprising number of sites based from the Cocos (Keeling) Islands). Apparently Fuzzy Wuzzy is something [47] in Dota 2, a sequel to Defence of the Ancients.
- "Furbolg" is apparently something in Defence of the Ancients [48]. So "Fuzzy Wuzzy the Furbolg" may well be a thing, but it is very niche, and certainly not mentioned at the target, so I am leaning weak delete. Cremastra (talk) 22:45, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Fuzzy Wuzzy the Furbolg is an alternative name of the hero Ursa, which appears sometimes as an Easter egg. IznoPublic (talk) 00:18, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 15:22, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - no plausible target. The pre-redirect content lasted for a day only and was unsourced. It's not clear who is the hero Ursa that IznoPublic has talked about. Jay 💬 16:11, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
Undetharaya
- Undetharaya → Kunchitiga (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention at target page, nor anywhere within Wikipedia for that matter. Unable to find WP:GNG worthy mentions for original page as well. SmittenGalaxy | talk! 06:44, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- Move without redirect to Unde Yattaraya which will help retain the page history as well. Jay 💬 08:39, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
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Delete per nom. In addition, I do not understand why we would move the edit history elsewhere to a title that differs from the current title by just a space if the redirect's utility either way is unhelpful. Steel1943 (talk) 22:35, 2 September 2024 (UTC)- Apparently, I did not compare the two titles correctly. Never mind. Steel1943 (talk) 20:12, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
2017 PGL Open Bucharest
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 4#2017 PGL Open Bucharest
SL i-League Invitational Season 3
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 4#SL i-League Invitational Season 3
Purgegamers
- Purgegamers → Dota 2#Media coverage (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Purge Gamers → Dota 2#Media coverage (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. * Pppery * it has begun... 01:05, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Kevin Godec after that article is restored. If that article survives this will be a useful redirect, if it's deleted at AfD this redirect will be eligible for G8 speedy deletion. There are no other targets I've found. Thryduulf (talk) 11:15, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per #Kevin Godec. -- Tavix 18:02, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
Kevin Godec
- Kevin Godec → Dota 2#Media coverage (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. * Pppery * it has begun... 01:05, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Revert to the article without prejudice to AfD. This was BLARed in 2019 and a quick google search finds lots of sources post-dating that - I'm not immediately seeing anything clearly showing notability but someone who knows the topic area is better placed to judge (and to know where sources are likely to be found if they exist). Thryduulf (talk) 11:13, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per Thryduulf's research showing a lack of notability. -- Tavix 14:52, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- My research does not show a lack of notability - it shows that the subject is neither clearly notable nor clearly not notable: more research is needed. I'm astounded by how often you manage to completely misinterpret my comments to say the opposite of what I intend when almost nobody else ever does. Thryduulf (talk) 16:48, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Then do more research and let us know what you find. I'm very amenable to restoring content that may be notable but you have not made such a case. -- Tavix 17:59, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- My research does not show a lack of notability - it shows that the subject is neither clearly notable nor clearly not notable: more research is needed. I'm astounded by how often you manage to completely misinterpret my comments to say the opposite of what I intend when almost nobody else ever does. Thryduulf (talk) 16:48, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per Tavix. Good example of a research WP:WOOPS right there. Steel1943 (talk) 16:30, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Tavix has either misunderstood or mischaracterised my comment. My research does not demonstrate either notability or lack of notability, it demonstrates more research is needed. Thryduulf (talk) 16:48, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- I understood it. You have convinced me that we should go ahead and delete this redirect and not bother taking this to AfD. Steel1943 (talk) 16:50, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Your two most recent comments clearly indicate that you have not understood. Thryduulf (talk) 18:37, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- I understood it. You have convinced me that we should go ahead and delete this redirect and not bother taking this to AfD. Steel1943 (talk) 16:50, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Tavix has either misunderstood or mischaracterised my comment. My research does not demonstrate either notability or lack of notability, it demonstrates more research is needed. Thryduulf (talk) 16:48, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Revert per Thryduulf. Cremastra (talk) 22:47, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- would returning to red be a good idea? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:06, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Not without a discussion at AfD. Thryduulf (talk) 10:11, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Major All Stars
- Major All Stars → Dota 2 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Major All Stars Season 1 → Dota 2 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. * Pppery * it has begun... 00:50, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Revert Major All Stars, merge the article in the history of Major All Stars season 1 into it and redirect the latter to the former, all without prejudice to AfD. I'm seeing a lot of hits that post-date the 2017 BLAR that make this at least worth discussing - especially as there are at least two baseball teams (about which we don't even have a mention) with the name that need filtering out of search results. Thryduulf (talk) 11:19, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, I did some digging and I'm not seeing any reliable sourcing on this. I'm happy to reconsider if sourcing is found. -- Tavix 15:42, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- I strongly oppose deletion of the article content without an AfD. Thryduulf (talk) 16:50, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Then provide evidence showing why this may be notable. -- Tavix 17:53, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- I strongly oppose deletion of the article content without an AfD. Thryduulf (talk) 16:50, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Let's not clutter AfD. There is zero chance this survives. --Un assiolo (talk) 15:26, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
List of Dota 2 heroes
- List of Dota 2 heroes → Dota 2 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- List of Dota 2 Heroes → Dota 2 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Target contains no such list. * Pppery * it has begun... 00:50, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy delete per WP:NOTGAMEGUIDE. There's always a proper wiki for that in-game list. Ahri Boy (talk) 01:51, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Ahri Boy: That's not a basis for speedy deletion. See WP:NOTCSD#1. SilverLocust 💬 06:49, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: The redirect was per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Dota 2 Heroes. Even at the time, there was not a list at that target (permalink), just a mention of
111 "Hero" characters
with a primary ref:"Heroes". Valve Corporation. Retrieved February 13, 2015.
SilverLocust 💬 07:01, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 15:25, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
Kunkka the Admiral
Priestess of the Moon
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 4#Priestess of the Moon
Moon Rider
- Moon Rider → Defense of the Ancients (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. Could maybe be repointed to Moonriders or The Moon Riders, but those don't seem likely to be singularized. * Pppery * it has begun... 00:50, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Disambig (drafted below the redirect). This is the title of multiple books and songs, etc. Thryduulf (talk) 11:41, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
Krobelus
Drow Ranger
Templar Assassin
Defense of the Ancients under Linux
Death Prophet
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Doat
Terrorblade
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Banehallow
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List of Allusions in DoTA
Virtual virus
Dae Hui Cho
- Dae Hui Cho → Warcraft III in esports (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target * Pppery * it has begun... 00:50, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Indeed, neither he nor his gaming name FoV are there. I'd delete... And the rest of the target looks crufty these days. IznoPublic (talk) 03:09, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. The article in the history of this redirect is a copy of the one deleted at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dae Hui Cho in 2011. I've not looked to see if he has become notable since then. Thryduulf (talk) 12:06, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 15:28, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
Warcraft: Anthology Vol. 1
- Warcraft: Anthology Vol. 1 → Warcraft: The Sunwell Trilogy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target * Pppery * it has begun... 00:50, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Warcraft#Manga per commentary at #Warcraft: Legends. IznoPublic (talk) 02:50, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- ...The redirect is not mentioned at Warcraft#Manga though. Looking through the page a bit, I don't see how anyone looking up this term could refer to any specific subject on that page. Steel1943 (talk) 20:16, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
Warcraft: Legends
Pre-MoP
Worldbreaker
World of Warcraft: Worldbreaker
Pre-Cata
Pre-Cataclysm
Pre-WotLK
Terrokar Forest
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World of Warcraft Radio
Player Test Realm
Shadow Priest
Footman Frenzy
- Footmen Frenzy → Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Footmen frenzy → Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Huh? * Pppery * it has begun... 00:50, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Pppery: Apparently this was a thing - a game-within-the-game that once had a substantial (but basically unsourced) article. See here, here, here. In other words, a thing that exists, may be worth a mention, but can not support an article of its own. BD2412 T 01:30, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Yes indeed, a popular custom game and perhaps worth a mention, but as it's not mentioned now, delete. It was not a particularly important one at the end of the day, unlike DotA's leading what became the MOBA genre, so I don't anticipate being added any time soon. IznoPublic (talk) 02:35, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom and IznoPublic. --Un assiolo (talk) 15:33, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Just tagged Footmen Frenzy with {{R with history}}. Jay 💬 11:38, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
The Hoards of Pride
Blademaster (Warcraft)
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 4#Blademaster (Warcraft)
Orc Gladiators
Automatic MatchMaker
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 28#Automatic MatchMaker
Death Knight (Warcraft III)
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 28#Death Knight (Warcraft III)
Third Great War
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 28#Third Great War
2025 UK general election
- 2025 UK general election → 2024 United Kingdom general election (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- 2025 United Kingdom general election → 2024 United Kingdom general election (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Implausible Redirect Blethering Scot 22:32, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- Made slightly more sense when the date wasn't announced. Doesn't make sense anymore. Eastwood Park and strabane (talk) 22:59, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to List of United Kingdom general elections. Deletion would be fine, too. The only truly bad option is the current situation. On the off chance that there was a general UK election in 2025 (which is possible, if unlikely, as I understand it), this would be even worse! —mako๛ 12:03, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- The most recent general election had to be held in or before January 2025, and there was much media speculation that it would be held at the latest possible date. This people searching for this title is entirely plausible. When to call a general election is (for practical purposes) entirely the prerogative of the prime minister, as long as one is held within 5 years of the most recent one, i.e. 2029 (although there is a minimum notice period, I think its about 25 days, for logistical reasons). This means that we cannot say there will not be a general election in 2025 until in theory 1 December 2025 as UK elections are always held on a Thursday and 25 December is the last Thursday in 2025 - although as there would have to be some truly extraordinary reason to hold an election on Christmas Day in reality the deadlines would be at least 1 week earlier. This does leave a problem of where best to target this redirect, and I think that unless and until a general election is called for 2025 (which currently looks unlikely, but a week is a long time in politics) that retarget to List of general elections in the United Kingdom#21st century is the best we can do. Someone will learn there that the isn't currently one scheduled for that year and find a link to the 2024 election if that is what they looking for. Ideally there would also be a link to Next United Kingdom general election, but there isn't currently. Thryduulf (talk) 15:58, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to List of general elections in the United Kingdom#21st century per thryduulf. (I've bundled 2025 United Kingdom general election into this RFD - this was previously discussed at RFD with a no consensus - but this was discussed before the election took place). BugGhost🦗👻 12:47, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. The current target discusses that the date was potentially to be in 2025. Oppose retarget to List of United Kingdom general elections#21st century, that list does not contain any information about a (potential) 2025 general election. Next United Kingdom general election does not even mention the year 2025. -- Tavix 14:16, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: One more try - delete, retarget or keep as is?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 22:25, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Tavix talks with sanity on this point Not intended to disparage other participants in any way! Just that I feel Tavix has the right approach. I do way more reading than editing, so let me provide a reader's perspective on how I (and, I suspect, others) interact with Wikipedia as readers. I live in the UK so I know full well the year of the election, but let's imagine I didn't: Perhaps I live somewhere far away, or perhaps the year is 2034 and I just can't remember. I come across an article discussing the possibility of a 2025 election, such as this one in the New Statesman. To put what I'm reading into its appropriate historical context the first thing I wanna do is find out when the election was actually held. What do I put into the Wikipedia search box? 2025 UK general election seems like a decent bet. Not only does this redirect take me to the information I want, the page it leads to does in fact contain a discussion about the timing with an entire section called "Date of the election". Perfect, just what I as a reader am looking for. My only question is if we would be best to leave the redirect exactly as it is, or should we retarget it specificallly to the date section? 78.149.135.163 (talk) 19:53, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
Za'ura
The current target was created today. Until then it targetted Zoora, which has a footnote stating that Za'ura is an alternative romanisation. It's not immediately clear to me whether one topic is primary (in which case there should be a hatnote to the other) or whether a disambig should be primary. I've not immediately found any other possible targets but my searching hasn't been as extensive as I'd like (I'm running low on time).
Courtesy ping to those who've commented at ANI: @Supreme Deliciousness, Primefac, and Selfstudier:. Thryduulf (talk) 21:40, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- If the alternate romanisation is correct, then I would advocate for reversing the retargeting and restore the Zoora link; that subject is well-sourced and likely more notable than a nonexistent historical village in Syria. Primefac (talk) 23:20, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Dab. For the saint, see here. Srnec (talk) 03:00, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Move Za'ura, Syria → Za'ura, as there does not seem to be a need to disambiguate (are there other locations in the world with that same name?). Use WP:hatnotes in the two articles, Za'ura and Zoora. The two articles have similar pronounciations, but not the same. Hence, there is no need for a disambiguation page. The Mountain of Eden (talk) 20:55, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Pronunciation is irrelevant. Both articles could be titled "Za'ura" so disambiguation of some sort is required. The question is whether that should be a hatnote from the primary topic or a primary disambiguation page. To answer that question we need to know whether one or the other is the primary topic for people searching "Za'ura" and from my searches there doesn't appear to be, although Google refusing to distinguish between "Za'ura" and "za ura" is not helpful. Thryduulf (talk) 11:09, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- I created Za'ura, Syria. Dont really have an opinion. There is very little info about the village. Maybe the redirect should go to Zoora. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 22:01, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Is there a primary topic?
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List of Strogg in Quake II
- List of Strogg in Quake II → Quake II (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
not present in the target cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 13:31, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Revert without prejudice to AfD or merge per WP:BLAR. The only discussion I've found is from 2006 where one editor suggested a merge and a second editor disagreed. That's very obviously not consensus. Thryduulf (talk) 14:45, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per my comments at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 13#List of Strogg in Quake 4. -- Tavix 18:22, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. The article was redirected in 2007 and then again in 2009. If the subject is not mentioned anywhere, then this thing should be deleted, considering the existence of an article about the subject of this redirect is a clear WP:NOTGUIDE violation. Steel1943 (talk) 18:31, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- One person redirected it both times, without discussion. The only discussion (if you can call exactly two comments a discussion) that has been had (as far as I've found) came to no consensus. That's not close to consensus to delete - especially as the suggested action was merging not deletion. Lists of elements from notable works are frequently notable and don't violate NOTGUIDE. Whether this list is notable is a question for AfD. Thryduulf (talk) 02:16, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Back then, Wikipedia was flooded with WP:NOTGUIDE and WP:NOTFANDOM violations related to video games. Since then, Wikipedia has evolved to not include or encourage the creation of articles that are against such policies. Restoring this article for any reason would be regression. Steel1943 (talk) 13:33, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- on top of what steel said, i haven't found anything specifying that this has to be done in afd, as opposed to here. buuuut chances are i haven't looked hard enough, so eh. the point still stands that doing this would only result in something being discussed and found worthy of deletion twice in a row, and go against previously established consensus that those kinds of redirects are usually deleted right away cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 15:46, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- By definition, any redirect (which this is) can be deleted at RfD. Thryduulf's understanding is incorrect. -- Tavix 22:56, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- That would allow anybody to delete an article by unilaterally redirecting it to a random target and then nominating it here, which is why disputed BLARs are reverted and sent to AfD for discussion. This is a disputed BLAR. Thryduulf (talk) 13:44, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- ...and every time someone unilaterally redirects something to a random target and subsequently nominates it here, they get reverted. That's not the case here, this page has long been stable as a redirect. -- Tavix 13:55, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- There is no recency requirement for any of this. We don't speedy delete article content just because it's old, if someone thinks it should be deleted it gets discussed at AfD. Thryduulf (talk) 14:07, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- For pages that are redirects, if someone thinks it should be deleted it gets discussed at RfD. If you want this to be discussed at AfD, you should make a compelling argument that the content may be notable. -- Tavix 14:11, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- again, where did the "speedy" part come from? if i wanted speedy deletion because i thought it applied to one or more of the criteria, i would have tagged it as such, as opposed to taking it to rfd cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 15:20, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- The only justifications for deleting article content at a venue other than AfD are if it meets a speedy deletion criterion or if it has previously been discussed with a consensus that it shouldn't be an article. Deleting at RfD is equivalent to reversing the redirect and then speedy deleting the article - which would obviously be out of process. Doing it in single step is just as out of process. Thryduulf (talk) 18:23, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- i hate to disagree with an admin, but from reading wp:rdel and wp:del, i don't believe that's how any of this works. if a redirect refers to something that isn't mentioned in the target, and it's found that there's no reliable coverage of it, i think it falls within reason 2 to delete as stated in rdel, as it would leave readers to wonder where the list of strogg or info on quackifier are. if every blar'd redirect had to be reverted to an undercooked, effectively unsourced article and taken to afd to be discussed for the same reason as if it were still a redirect, a lot of rfd nominations would have been done out of process for ages now, with no admins happening to pick up on it
- and also rfd isn't solely for speedy deletion i guess cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 21:00, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Those are reasons to delete a redirect, yes, but they aren't reasons to delete articles. Every undiscussed BLAR that doesn't meet the speedy deletion criteria should be reverted to the article (and optionally taken to AfD) if there is no appropriate target for the redirect (including the current target) and no consensus for new content (e.g. a dab page) at the title. That not every such redirect is spotted is not a reason to harm the encyclopaedia (which every out of process deletion does) when it is spotted. Thryduulf (talk) 23:58, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- i really must be missing something, because i haven't found the policy that states that undiscussed blars should be reverted and taken to afd, even despite pre-existing consensus that they'd get deleted for not being notable at all. do you happen to know where it is? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:20, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Cogsan: WP:NOTBURO may be relevant here. Steel1943 (talk) 22:26, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- all things considered, i think notburo would only serve as more of a reason to ignore any potential policy about restoring undiscussed blars to delete them anyway, and just... delete them. this must be unreadable on mobile devices by now cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 00:09, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Cogsan: That's one way of interpreting what I was trying to get at! In addition, regarding questioning administrators who participate in discussions: When administrators participate in discussions, they do so in their capacity as editors; their comments hold no stronger weight than any regular editor. They also cannot abuse their tools in retaliation since they would lose their administrative privileges. (I know there's a policy or essay page out there stating this, but I cannot find it at the moment.) In other words, feel free to challenge any editor in any discussion if you do not agree with their stance. Steel1943 (talk) 15:43, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- all things considered, i think notburo would only serve as more of a reason to ignore any potential policy about restoring undiscussed blars to delete them anyway, and just... delete them. this must be unreadable on mobile devices by now cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 00:09, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Cogsan: WP:NOTBURO may be relevant here. Steel1943 (talk) 22:26, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- i really must be missing something, because i haven't found the policy that states that undiscussed blars should be reverted and taken to afd, even despite pre-existing consensus that they'd get deleted for not being notable at all. do you happen to know where it is? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:20, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Those are reasons to delete a redirect, yes, but they aren't reasons to delete articles. Every undiscussed BLAR that doesn't meet the speedy deletion criteria should be reverted to the article (and optionally taken to AfD) if there is no appropriate target for the redirect (including the current target) and no consensus for new content (e.g. a dab page) at the title. That not every such redirect is spotted is not a reason to harm the encyclopaedia (which every out of process deletion does) when it is spotted. Thryduulf (talk) 23:58, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- The only justifications for deleting article content at a venue other than AfD are if it meets a speedy deletion criterion or if it has previously been discussed with a consensus that it shouldn't be an article. Deleting at RfD is equivalent to reversing the redirect and then speedy deleting the article - which would obviously be out of process. Doing it in single step is just as out of process. Thryduulf (talk) 18:23, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- There is no recency requirement for any of this. We don't speedy delete article content just because it's old, if someone thinks it should be deleted it gets discussed at AfD. Thryduulf (talk) 14:07, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- ...and every time someone unilaterally redirects something to a random target and subsequently nominates it here, they get reverted. That's not the case here, this page has long been stable as a redirect. -- Tavix 13:55, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- That would allow anybody to delete an article by unilaterally redirecting it to a random target and then nominating it here, which is why disputed BLARs are reverted and sent to AfD for discussion. This is a disputed BLAR. Thryduulf (talk) 13:44, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- By definition, any redirect (which this is) can be deleted at RfD. Thryduulf's understanding is incorrect. -- Tavix 22:56, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- One person redirected it both times, without discussion. The only discussion (if you can call exactly two comments a discussion) that has been had (as far as I've found) came to no consensus. That's not close to consensus to delete - especially as the suggested action was merging not deletion. Lists of elements from notable works are frequently notable and don't violate NOTGUIDE. Whether this list is notable is a question for AfD. Thryduulf (talk) 02:16, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete as not seen in the parent article and WP:NOTGAMEGUIDE. Schützenpanzer (Talk) 00:27, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
Whoopsie daisy
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Super Mario RPG 2
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Niggling
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Dry Winged Trout Flies
🎣
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November 12, 2001
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Fish catch
Fin fish
Looting the seas
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Unio personalis
- Unio personalis → Prosopon (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Personal Union of Christ → Christology (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Personal union of Christ → Christology (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Unio Personalis → Christology (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Unio personalia → Christology (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Unio Personalia → Christology (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The specific terms don't seem to be explicitly mentioned in any article, so it is a bit unclear where these should point. The first redirect was created in 2007, targeting Hypostatic union; this was later changed to Person of Christ (now merged into Christology) along with the creation of the other redirects. Only the first one was rather recently changed to target Prosopon. Apart from these, the discussion at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 March 11#Unipersonalist (and the Nontrinitarianism article which was the target decided on in that RfD) seem pertinent. 1234qwer1234qwer4 15:09, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget where necessary to Hypostatic union. – Fayenatic London 20:16, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
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Yabbying
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Deep sea fishing.
Sydney Football Stadium 2
Gogaku
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Israeli fascism
Certificat Superieur de Francais
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Notional-functional syllabus
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Esyllabus
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Online education
- Online education → Distance education (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Online Education → Educational technology (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 April 14 § Online education – retarget to Distance education
Seems ambiguous. There is also Online school. 1234qwer1234qwer4 13:02, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget [Online Education] to Distance education. Thanks to the COVID pandemic happening, this seems to be the primary redirect topic for these terms with Educational technology and Online school being potential subtopics when referring to the nominated redirects. Steel1943 (talk) 20:37, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Listed the previous RfD. Note that it had mention of the disambig page Online learning. Jay 💬 07:11, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
Massacres of Azerbaijanis in Karabakh (1988-1994)
Bill Bojangles Robinson
Toki Pon
Chafarinas''s skink
Template:United States women;s volleyball squad 2012 Summer Olympics
Wirth;s Circus
War of Jenkin;s Ear
Million;s Poet
Daggett;s Mill, Pennsylvania
Hispanized Southeast Asia
- Hispanized Southeast Asia → Philippines (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
To me this seems like an implausible search term for the Philippines. ★Trekker (talk) 10:14, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- See also Sinicized Southeast Asia. Mentioned in https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/modern-asian-studies/article/abs/local-integration-and-eurasian-analogies-structuring-southeast-asian-history-c-1350c-1830/041F3B980324C778E2771719BC85C326. 1234qwer1234qwer4 12:42, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- I have never heard that term in my life and it's overly complicated. I did Southeast Asian studies in university; that source is on regional history 1350-1830. Fetch isn't gonna happen, surely. Jondvdsn1 (talk) 12:50, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Either retarget to Spanish East Indies, or delete. CMD (talk) 09:18, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
Su85b
No mention on the target page. The tank does appear to be real though, so maybe a mention could be added to the article? Only source I can find on it though is an article on a website called "Warspot" that doesn't seem to have much fact checking. ― Blaze Wolfblaze__wolf 04:19, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- It's definitely a thing, even though most of the many English-language hits relate to its appearance in World of Tanks (most commonly rendered as "SU-85b" the hyphenless version does get plenty of hits) it is not just we have a picture at File:СУ-85Б.webp which led to my discovering the Russian and Ukrainian Wikipedias have articles about it. There is a mention at List of armoured fighting vehicles by country#Soviet Union, but that doesn't say more than that it was based on the SU-76 prototype; SU-76#Variants has a sentence. Draft:SU-85B was deleted under G13 in 2020, but it was just a single sentence "The SU-85B was a prototype Soviet tank destroyer based on the SU-76.". If we decide not to delete this then SU-85B should be created as a redirect to the same target, but what target that would be or whether deletion per WP:REDLINK would be better I don't know. Thryduulf (talk) 10:55, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to SU-76 where it is mentioned as a variant. Schützenpanzer (Talk) 13:52, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
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Photosite
mentioned exactly once in the article, in the lead, in passing, inside parentheses (can't guarantee citation 3 doesn't mention it because it's paywalled), really doesn't make it clear if a pixel is supposed to be a part of a photosite or vice-versa, though it seems to be the latter, which might make this the equivalent of redirecting "body hair" to beard. what do? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 19:33, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- My first thought was an image hosting website, but googling shows that actually it refers to (as wikt:photosite puts it) "An individual light-sensitive element in a digital image sensor." and pixel is an alternative term for this. This suggests that image sensor is the correct target for the redirect - however the term is not mentioned there. Where it is mentioned is articles about specific sensors or sensor technologies, which are all too specific a target. A specific image hosting site ("PhotoSite") is mentioned at Homestead Technologies#History but that doesn't appear to be notable (and seems to have been discontinued circa 2006). I'm not completely sure what the best course of action is here, but the status quo definitely isn't it. Perhaps soft redirecting to Wiktionary if the term isn't added at Image sensor? If we do soft redirect we should remove the link to Wikipedia from that page to avoid a circular link. Thryduulf (talk) 10:03, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
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Life as we do not know it
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Bīn
What the! Should redirect to Bin instead, surely. Remsense ‥ 诉 15:10, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- that's apparently a hanyu pinyin reading for... a bunch of old(?) chinese lemmas. i got nothing. delete cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 15:24, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- I imagine the Been rendering corresponds to another orthography, but it's simply not the best redirect I don't think. Remsense ‥ 诉 15:25, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- i think "been" would rely too much on one accent of one language in certain conditions, so i don't think that one would work either cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 15:31, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- I imagine the Been rendering corresponds to another orthography, but it's simply not the best redirect I don't think. Remsense ‥ 诉 15:25, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete or soft redirect. This is a transcription of multiple different Chinese characters that have meanings including "visitor, guest", "in a hurry", "today", "elegant, refined", "place", "sprinting, quick" and pronunciations including "wǎng", "bin", "bin", "ban", "pîn", "kǔn", "kwan" (both a far from complete lists). I'm not seeing any obvious primary topic in English. Thryduulf (talk) 16:05, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
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double bind-shaped dilemmas
- Damned if you do, damned if you don't → Dilemma (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Stuck between a rock and a hard place → Dilemma (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
not that i'm a professional in the area of dilemmas, but those specific dilemmas sound like double binds. opinions on retargeting to that? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 14:11, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Don't retarget/Weak delete. The usefulness of these is dubious to begin with, as I'd hope for something talking about the phrases specifically, or maybe even some kind of common linguistic phenomenon. But double bind looks more like technical psychology stuff, while the phrases and dilemma are more just about the everyday sense rather than something technical. I wouldn't even be opposed to deleting, but whatever I guess. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 21:47, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Retarget Stuck between a rock and a hard place to between a rock and a hard place. Retarget Damned if you do, damned if you don't to wikt:. Seemingly best solutions for now; can revisit if they are mentioned and expounded at length somewhere in the future. — GodsyCONT) 01:22, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget and soft redirect to wikt:damned if one does and damned if one doesn't per Godsy. Cremastra (talk) 19:48, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget and soft redirect to wikt:damned if one does and damned if one doesn't per Godsy. Enix150 (talk) 19:27, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 26
Sfaraddi
Child diddler
Wikipedia:VRT permissions agents
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The pandemic
Reticulum cell sarcoma
Gay cake
Well, excuse me!
- Well, excuse me! → Steve Martin (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Was originally going to WP:BOLDly retarget this to Let's Get Small as the album from the current target which this phrase is most associated, but then I remembered ... people looking up this phrase could reasonably be trying to find The Super Mario Bros. Super Show!#Premise where a version of the subject of the article Link (The Legend of Zelda) is notable for saying "Well, excuse me, princess!" and since Well excuse me princess redirects there. Seems like a case of "disambiguate" or "retarget" and I'm not sure which, even with the fact that this redirect is a partial match for the Link phrase. Steel1943 (talk) 18:54, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Was thinking about nominating this one too, also while having "well excuse me princess" on my mind.
- As the inclusion of the word "well" is never mentioned in any context preceding the title "Excuse Me" in the album, I'd prefer to delete this, but a retarget is better than a keep. Retargeting brings this title closer to its potential context (moreso than a general pass towards the person that presumably said the phrase), but without any mention of the "well" bit, there's no indication in the article that people would search for this instead of Excuse Me (the song on the album; the song, which does not appear on the Excuse Me disambiguation page). It does not seem necessary to target this title to Excuse Me either. Utopes (talk / cont) 19:18, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- dabify or add all redirects missing the word "princess" to "excuse me" per 50% of what steel said, but also per "well excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuse me, princess"
- wait, no, wrong quote, i mean "that's only barely uncommon enough to probably warrant the dab" cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 19:36, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Let's Get Small as originally considered. That seems like a pretty good approach, as it explains the evolution into a catchphrase. — BarrelProof (talk) 21:27, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Retarget to Let's Get Small. Without 'princess', I believe the primary topic to be the Steve Martin catchphrase. -- Tavix 00:54, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
ZSJ
Kevin Tucker (anarchist)
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Fighting TV Samurai
New Zealand 2015 (Association football event)
🆥
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Elite slaves
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Curvaceous
Sturmian morphism
Economic totalitarianism
- Economic totalitarianism → Compulsory cartel#Types of compulsory cartels (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
It was originally an essay, which got turned into a redirect. The redirect target was changed several times until someone finally found an article that actually mentioned "economic totalitarianism", but that mention has since been removed because it was a POV-pushing essay. Hence, there is no plausible target. Un assiolo (talk) 16:28, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to Walter Nash. Paradoctor (talk) 23:44, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- It was used as a bit of political rhetoric in a single memorandum. It is absolutely inappropriate to link there just because of that. There are a few other mentions of "economic totalitarianism" in other articles. They are all similar one-off rhetorical accusations. There is no good target. --Un assiolo (talk) 16:47, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
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- This was at AfD four times in 2006 and the last mega discussion considered all previous AfDs, and closed as No Consensus. Trialsanderrors converted this to a disambig and reverted it when there was no support at the AfD. Restore this version and AfD again. Jay 💬 15:03, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. I would oppose restoring the previous article because it is literally just an excerpt from Capitalism and Freedom. -- Tavix 19:10, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
Vimina
Elmira station
Koi Mil Gaya 3
Koi Mil Gaya 2
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Krish 1
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Strawman (literal)
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Fire and Ash
Template:OURL
Module:Road data/routelist
FuBl 2
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Crab angle
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Fan Reaction to Relena Peacecraft
Laws of work
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⧧
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Ajacent angels
Anggulo
V̂
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Ǝ́
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Uppen
͓
꜠
˳
Japan 2012 (Association football event 1)
Ḙ
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AN/VPS-2
bros
- Bros 2 → Super Mario Bros. 2 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Bros. 2 → Super Mario Bros. 2 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Bros 3 → Super Mario Bros. 3 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Bros. 3 → Super Mario Bros. 3 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Bros 4 → Super Mario World (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Bros. 4 → Super Mario World (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
missing the "mario" disambiguator leaves this with only a common word... that has a pretty strong association with mario anyway. still, it could realistically refer to any series with "bros." in its title and 4 or more entries, or a number of brothers. opinions? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 18:59, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- on that note, see bros u, bros wonder, bros wii, and their more punctuated counterparts. not nominating them here because i don't know what number "wii" is supposed to be, and also because the rest of the names might narrow the meanings down to the mario games cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 19:21, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- Can you demonstrate actual ambiguity with other series? -- Tavix 21:46, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- off the top of my head...
- super smash bros. is a cheap, easy pick
- ...two brothers, apparently. this is as far as my acknowledgement goes, and i don't want to find out if this game's 1.5 fans refer to it as "2 bros" or whatever
- new super mario bros., if you want to be a pedantic ass like me
- loyal bros and loyal bros 2?
- was gonna say snow bros. and snow bros. 2, but... nah
- doing an intitle search or something could net more results, but smash and nsmb alone could warrant the ambiguity with "numbered titles that involve some variant of the word 'brother'" cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 22:52, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- Can you provide evidence that any of the other titles you list has been called "Bros 2"? What I am seeing is a list of partial title matches. -- Tavix 18:23, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- smash, especially when it comes to 4 cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 19:14, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Can you provide evidence that any of the other titles you list has been called "Bros 2"? What I am seeing is a list of partial title matches. -- Tavix 18:23, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- off the top of my head...
- Are the games ever referred to by these titles? If not, I would support deleting all of them as implausible search terms, including the three listed in the comment. --Un assiolo (talk) 14:09, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
Are the games ever referred to by these titles?
The evidence says yes. Thryduulf (talk) 14:11, 27 August 2024 (UTC)- ...yeah, the string "bros. [number]" will be pretty often found in the titles for games in the "super mario bros." series. it'd be like having "kart [number]" as redirects for the mario kart games
- arguing that they're referred to as that in conversations already about mario wouldn't work either, as people would obviously try to avoid repetition of a word in a context where that word is already repeated ad nauseam, and having redirects like that in a wiki not primarily about that franchise would be granting primary topic-hood for an entire word cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 19:10, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- ...and of course my hyperbolic comment was partially right, as it turns out that kart 4, kart 7, and kart 8 are redirects to the mario kart games. what a wacky coincidence, i don't know why 1, 2, 3, 5, and 6 are missing cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 19:13, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) In terms of actual (rather than theoretical) ambiguity, it's a mixed bag. Google does not differentiate between the dotted and dotless forms so the same thing should happen to each pair.
- Keep Bros 2/Bros. 2. This is in practice ambiguous only with Burgle Bros 2: The Casino Capers, something which we appear to have no content about (even Burgle Bros is red).
- Keep Bros 3/Bros. 3. The current target is overwhelmingly primary to the extent I have to explicitly exclude Super Mario from the search term before I see anything else.
- Disambig Bros 4/Bros. 4. There is nothing even approaching a primary topic here with Mario and Super Smash appearing with at least equal frequency to various other things, some of which are definitely not encyclopaedic and others that might or might not be (I haven't investigated). Thryduulf (talk) 14:10, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- on third thought, wouldn't proving that the games are shortened to "bros" and not... you know... "mario" be a little more important? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 02:21, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep all. Any other usage seems to be partial title matches (eg: someone would call it "Smash Bros 4" but not "Bros 4" without 'Smash' in front of it). I am happy to be proven wrong if someone can provide evidence of non-PTM usage of "Bros 4" in other context. -- Tavix 19:04, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
CYHX
True democracy
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2012 OLYMPIC RESULTS
US Olympic TEAM TRIALS
Live Photo
Overruled
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Samuli Miettinen
- Samuli Miettinen → Children of Bodom (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Delete redirect. There is an article for Samuli Miettinen (footballer) who is a different person than the redirect. Searching for Samuli Miettinen from wiki should point the person who has an own article rather than someone who has not. Syvä-äksy (talk) 14:18, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. Looking on google there is no primary topic for people with this name with hits for the footballer, an architect (no article on enwp but the subject of fi:Samuli Miettinen) and an academic (no Wikipedia article in any language I can find) getting about equal numbers of hits on the first three pages. There were two hits for a photographer but none for the bassist. I haven't done enough research to know whether the architect or academic are notable but if they are a primary disambig may be best, if they aren't then moving the footballer to primary and adding a hatnote to the bassist is probably better (the latter does not appear to be notable, a one-line two-sentence sub-stub about him was correctly speedied as A7 a few years ago.) Thryduulf (talk) 16:45, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Hey man im josh (talk) 19:08, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Move the redirect to Samuli Miettinen (bassist) and add {{R from predictable disambiguation}} to that redirect. Then move Samuli Miettinen (footballer) to Samuli Miettinen and add a hatnote to the footballer article. 2001:999:701:1F8:1C71:F209:179D:36B1 (talk) 19:30, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris 07:52, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate. I have drafted one under the redirect. -- Tavix 18:59, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate: valid dab page as drafted by Tavix. Create Samuli Miettinen (bassist) to point to his group (and add that redirect to categories like "Finnish bassists" or whatever is appropriate). PamD 09:09, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
Objection (law)
Rat feces
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 8#Rat feces