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  • 21 Aug, 2019

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Wikipedia Talk:LTA
Would anyone object to me doing an AWB job to replace all the archived pages tagged with {{historical}} with a clearer tag? I already did so here but didn't know there were many. ofHearts 07:07, 20 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please do not do that unless there is a positive consensus first. Saying "This page is currently inactive and is retained for historical reference" (permalink) is nicely low-key. By contrast, the clearer tag of "This page has been blanked to deny recognition. The latest revision of this page before blanking can be found here" (permalink) is very much over-the-top IMHO. The wording says that it is denying recognition but it is doing the opposite. Fussing over LTAs and micro-managing their shrines is a very bad idea. Johnuniq (talk) 07:21, 20 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nate Speed

Hello, as a sysop from English Wikiquote, I'd like to say this LTA is active currently in that project. Is there anyone who are familiar with him, e.g. commonly used IP ranges or behaviours in addition to :<? -Lemonaka‎ 13:59, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

He mostly uses VPNs. I know of some IP ranges used, but I can't tell them to people who aren't CheckUsers. The global privacy policy forbids that. Other vandals sometimes mimic his behavior, so screamy vandals who use emoticons are not automatically him. If you're not sure, or you want to block the IP ranges involved, you could ask a CheckUser to look at the accounts. If your wiki doesn't have any CheckUsers, maybe something could be worked out. If I don't have to do a massive amount of checks there, I could volunteer to be one of the two CUs (by global policy, each wiki must have at least two CheckUsers). Preferably, this would be on a time-limited basis (like a six month or year-long grant of the CU user right). That should give you enough time to find someone else locally who could take over for me. Or you could ask a steward to run a check. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 03:11, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@NinjaRobotPirate I tried to reintroduce Checkuser to English Wikiquote, but we cannot get at least 25 votes from registered users to appoint two checkusers. -Lemonaka‎ 14:23, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There's always the stewards, then. I'm sure the stewards will tell you if the load gets too tedious for them. I guess that'd be the time to hold local CU elections. I'm not a steward, so what I can do is a bit limited. However, Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Nate Speed/Archive and Wikipedia:Long-term abuse/Nate Speed should tell you quite a bit. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 15:47, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@NinjaRobotPirate Hi, I got an idea, you may discuss with Koavf when possible since he is a cross-wiki checkuser and a sysop there. -Lemonaka‎ 23:15, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Chile-based dynamic IP"

Is there any way to add this user?

Chile-based user hopping between many dynamic IPs in different IP ranges. Almost exclusively focused on film-related articles. In spite of much advice, many warnings, and several blocks and range blocks, this user has often changed the wording of citation headlines, added to billing blocks, and added unreliably sourced material again and again and again, sometimes with misleading edit summaries, in spite of frequently being reverted. Does not listen to advice and answers back with excuses addressed to the editor as "dude".

Thanks, Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 11:21, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Updates

MidAtlanticBaby

@Acroterion @Drmies @Donald Albury, do you guys think it's finally time to start creating an LTA page on this user? They've been so disruptive and repeatedly have been abusing IPs and sockpuppets posting on ANI and creating fake talk pages on the Discord page mentioning us over and over to the point where it wastes our time. It seems, IMO, that the user is effectively considered banned. Let me know your thoughts and I'll try responding back ASAP. Thanks. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 00:07, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No. Ignore them, there's nothing that needs tracking or interpretation here. They're easy to spot. Acroterion (talk) 00:12, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, well that's true. Judging from their consistent spamming of the message, spotting them shouldn't be that much harder. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 00:43, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What Acroterion says. It's all too childish. Drmies (talk) 00:50, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hamish Ross

I was thinking of starting a page for Hamish Ross. He's been here since 2007 and his disruption is particularly unusual and damaging (false level 4 warnings), which I think warrants its own page. Jdcomix (talk) 02:22, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please only start a page if something useful can be said (that is, which would reduce disruption). There is no reason to record that someone has a hobby of doing whatever. Johnuniq (talk) 06:29, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think a page would help to reduce disruption, especially to help people unfamiliar with the case. Any reverts made to a HR sock can link back to the report for more details. I'll prepare a page for it over the next week, let me know if you have any suggestions. Jdcomix (talk) 14:10, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Jdcomix Mind if I help? I remember a sock of this guy reverting my edit on the Interstate 75 in Kentucky page for archiving a url (which thankfully, was reverted and the sock got blocked). NoobThreePointOh (talk) 15:14, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's fine. Feel free to contribute after I publish it. I have my rough draft in my sandbox right now, which I plan on submitting later today after my college classes are done. Jdcomix (talk) 16:25, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Same. My classes just started today and I still have one more to go: calculus, which is at 4:00. I'll see if I can contribute after my class is done as well. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 16:29, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just submitted the case at Wikipedia:Long-term abuse/Hamish Ross. Feel free to add diffs or other information. I will do the same. Jdcomix (talk) 17:34, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lokicat3345

Pinging a few familiar editors over here for their take and help in filing an LTA report for Lokicat3345; he has been a persistent sock master who has been churning out sock puppets for more than a year. Pings: @WeatherWriter @ChessEric @Hurricanehink @Ks0stm @GeorgeMemulous @TornadoInformation12 @United States Man Hurricane Clyde 🌀 22:09, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Will also add @ChrisWx and @Wxtrackercody to the ping list. Hurricane Clyde 🌀 00:19, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And also pinging @HamiltonthesixXmusic too. More pings may follow as I comb through archives. Hurricane Clyde 🌀 00:24, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
All pinged users: please see Talk:Tornadoes of 2024/Archive 3; it has some info about Lokicat that you may want to put in the LTA report should we choose to do one. Hurricane Clyde 🌀 00:27, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
All we can do is single out and report the IPs they’re using. There is no true way to stop them. ChessEric 01:52, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
But we can make it easier to spot if there is an LTA. I myself was recently duped by a Lokicat sock. Hurricane Clyde 🌀 02:24, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Will also add @Sir MemeGod to the ping list. Hurricane Clyde 🌀 16:44, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Request for LTA listing

Here’s the situation: An IP address has since September edited a number of articles on the Norwegian (no) Wikipedia. All edits have been the same nonsense about "God’s stew". This has been added to or replaced several random articles, and also edited other user’s posts on the "Village pump".

After being blocked indefinitely on this language version the IP started posting on user discussion and even replacing user pages for me and two other sysops on several language versions. Mainly posting the same nonsense – in Norwegian, no matter what language version – but also describing some of us as devils.

A week ago this happened on the language versions English (en), Nynorsk (nn – a variant of Norwegian), Swedish (sv) and Danish (da). Locally blocked on some of them, then globally blocked after I made a steward request.

Today a new IP showed up. It made several random vandalisms on Norwegian, but not mentioning "God’s stew" on these. The stew mentions today started on English, after it was blocked there went to Nynorsk, Danish and Simple English. When changes were reverted, the IP reverted back instantly. When I on Simple English asked for a quick deletion, and shortly described why, the IP reverted it and wrote «fake news». Again, the IP has been locally blocked (again indefinitely on Norwegian), then globally for 24 hours after I made another steward request.

Given that this nonsense and harassment has been going on for weeks, on at least six language versions and from at multiple IP addresses, I would like an LTA listing for it. Call it "LTA/God’s stew" as it’s a common factor.

The known IP addresses and user names are:

The sysops that have been victims:

The same IP also posted some of the same "God’s stew" nonsense on other user discussions at English, when they reverted.

I want an LTA for this because it is so much easier to link to it when the user in the future shows up again, instead of describing the problem over and over again when reporting on different language versions. An LTA will also make sysops on the different language versions more aware of it, and chances are they can take action even before a report is made.

Thanks! 1000mm (talk) 21:12, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The IP returned today, posting on my simple-WP and meta talk page, so far. Also mentioned User:Znuddel, without tag. Locally blocked both places.
Once again, I’m begging for an LTA listing to be made. 1000mm (talk) 12:51, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What would such an LTA page be called? Bear in mind that giving attention to disturbed people tends to excite them and WP:DENY is often best. Are you suggesting that an LTA page at enwiki would be easiest for reporting the problem at other projects? As opposed to a page at nowiki? I will block any IP or new user posting stuff such as in the contributions of the above IPs and having an LTA page would not help that (send me an email or other communication if wanted). Johnuniq (talk) 22:32, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
First of all, I’m glad that you will block the IP if you come across some of this, and I’m glad that other sysops have blocked for a limited time when it has happened. As said, it could be called "LTA/God’s stew".
Of the wiki projects this person have used for posting, enwiki and simple-enwiki are the only language versions that have LTA listings, according to the interwiki links. I wouldn’t have asked for a listing here if the user had posted only on other projects.
When posting Steward requests (in English) for global blocks over at Wikimedia metawiki, LTAs here at enwiki is very often referred to – no LTA listing (that I know of) are hosted on metawiki. I have referred to both LTA/KAGE and LTA/Alec Smithson here on enwiki when I have deleted content and blocked users/IPs on nowiki.
Have in mind that nowiki, nnwiki, svwiki and dawiki are small wikis, in languages that few outside the Nordic countries read. Having a small language as your native language means that almost everyone understands English pretty good, and many understands a third and even a fourth and fifth language too. All sysops on no-, nn-, sv- and dawiki will be able to read, and possibly even contribute to, an LTA here on enwiki.
If it only was nonsense posted in random articles, which it was at the beginning on nowiki, I wouldn’t ask for an LTA. It would be detected by patrollers as foreign language unrelated content and removed. But this person is now targeting three nowiki sysops on out talk pages, on five language versions where he/she knows we can’t do much more than reverting. I’m aware of WP:DENY, but in this case the IP removes speedy deletion templates too, along with re-reverting to bring back the text.
As stated, having an LTA that can be used as a reference will make it easier for sysops in various language versions to see that this is more than a local problem on said project. It’s also easier and quicker to refer to an LTA than describing every time you need to report an IP, whether it’s a local report or a global request. In addition, an LTA with a name might help sysops in different language versions to recognize and remember from the last report lasting hours or days, as opposed to remembering a sequence of 8 to 12 numbers and a report saying "posting nonsense again". 1000mm (talk) 00:51, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm half way between those who think LTA pages should be deleted and those who want to decorate them. I missed the "LTA/God's stew" suggestion above (we don't use curly quotes here). I can see the reason for that name but I'm uncomfortable about using a troll's motto as the identifier. Is there some variation of "LTA/Norwegian troll" that would work without being too flippant? Is that an accurate title? There could be a shortcut such as WP:LTA/Stew. Johnuniq (talk) 05:59, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Good point in not using the content as an identifier! The shortcut sounds good, for the long name I need to think of something, maybe brain storm a little with the two other sysops.
Btw, the person is back on my enwiki talk page now: User talk:1000mm. Already reverted the speedy deletion template once. The heading "Kuk" literally means "D i c k" (spacing in case of possible word filter). 1000mm (talk) 10:11, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Johnuniq: Today the person was foolish enough to make some identical edits while being logged in, with a user name that already had an indefinite block on enwiki. User quickly made him/herself eligible for the same status on nowiki and nnwiki, and it has now been globally blocked indefinitely for cross wiki spam: m:Special:CentralAuth/CheeseSupport.
As far as I’m conserned, this is more or less equal to an LTA, at least for the purpose I wanted the LTA. No matter the IP or username used or what language version it happens, we can now point to that global block, and tell it’s a sock puppet avoiding a block. 1000mm (talk) 17:35, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Let's focus on the title and then the content. For the title, what about "Stew"? Or some variation of "Norway"? If that IP continues after the week-long block, let me know and I will block for much longer. Johnuniq (talk) 02:44, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just found the English word for "lapskaus": Lobscouse, but this will use his content as an identifier. "Norwegian stew" will identify it without using the same wording as the IP. 1000mm (talk) 12:50, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
How about making a draft at User:1000mm/Norwegian stew? That name would be easier to recall. When we think it is ready, you can move it to here and I can make the WP:LTA/Stew shortcut. Or, forget the draft and create Wikipedia:Long-term abuse/Norwegian stew if you are ready. Johnuniq (talk) 01:43, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Good idea. I’ll try to find some time to do that. Since English isn’t my native language, I think I prefer to make a draft. Then have someone to proofread the text, both grammar wise and the choice of wording, but also in terms of what an LTA shuld have, and not have. I will of course look at some of the existing LTAs.1000mm (talk) 11:36, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm happy to proof read. The idea is to show the pattern and areas of interest, with a couple of diffs. Keep it brief and business like. The purpose is to allow others to judge whether a particular new user/IP is the same person (or is a troll imitating them, which makes no difference to us). Johnuniq (talk) 22:09, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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