It's mentioned in the early life section that his dad was Irish, but, according to the talk page, he would've been eligible to represent the USMNT as well: his Mother is off Welsh and African American Descent, having been brought up by a single mother due to the fact that her father was a african american G.I soldier in the American army called down to protect the welsh coasts. Got Colemans Grandma pregnant and left. Chris colemans mother is mixed race, so cookie gets his colour from there. His son, Sonny Coleman, seemingly confirmed this talking about his dad on Twitter:
Sonny Coleman
@SonnyJPColeman
American Grandfather. Half American Mother, but born and bred in swansea on the hill.
Unless we are going to enlist the help of an immigration lawyer I don't think we should / can add anything to the article, unless we have some clear sources saying he was eligible. Were his grandparents married? Did his mum ever become a US citizen? Spike 'em (talk) 20:46, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'd simply say 'Coleman was of American descent' and leave it at that. No need to get into family trees, no need to speculate about what national teams he could play for... GiantSnowman20:51, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We 100% cannot use that Tweet from Coleman's son. Saying "American grandfather, half-American mother" suggests that any links to Sonny are on the maternal line, i.e. unrelated to Chris. GiantSnowman21:00, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
But we know that it's his dad, Chris, who was "born and bred in swansea on the hill," and it corroborates the IP's claim exactly. Having said that, it doesn't look like Chris has talked about it the way he has about his Irish dad. Though if he was ever eligible to play for the US, that it is quite noteworthy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7C:E462:1200:CDAB:A124:61B7:F2CD (talk) 21:33, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You mean your claim? There is no clear evidence presented that Cookie was eligible for US. A tweet from his son is not a reliable source. Spike 'em (talk) 21:47, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There is no claim made on that talk page that he is / was eligible for the US: you seem to be the only person making that claim. There is a huge jump from his grandad was a wartime GI who got a local girl pregnant to he is eligible for the US national team. Unless it can be shown that this was raised as a possibility during his playing career, then the claim should not be in the article. Spike 'em (talk) 22:24, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Unless there was a notable "tug of war" between countries over a player (eg Stuart McCall), why is it ever significant which other national team(s) someone could theoretically have played for, anyway......? As far as I am aware there was literally never any consideration given by anyone during Coleman's playing career to him representing the USA, so why would it be of any value to say in the article that he could theoretically have played for them (even assuming that's actually true)....? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:36, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What is the MOS (if it exists) for listing statistics for under-18/-21/etc. level international football? I’m working on a number of Danish player articles and have added a few detailed statistics for non-senior level. (Example here). If it’s verifiable, is there any harm to adding these or should we stick strictly to senior level caps? Thanks in advance for any input. Sunny☀️Tango (talk • edits) 23:50, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Actually I tried to remove using WP:RS the entry but it got reverted. The other editor said the player could be removed only if there are evidence that he left the club. I personally thinks the editor not allowing me to remove is a pure WP:POINTy. Winston (talk) 12:00, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There are no current sources showing him as a member of any squad at Bradford so I've removed him from squad template and the list on main team page. The Bradford list of retained players made no mention of him either, so we cannot assume he still has a contract with the club. Spike 'em (talk) 12:17, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I can see that now but I only found that by hunting around for it. You should have clearly disclosed where you had discussed it already and with whom. Spike 'em (talk) 13:08, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I see. Yeah I think he should join and discuss too. Otherwise if it is one-to-one discussion he would use his privileged right (warning to block me from removing Jefferys, even I put all the evidence to shows that he is wrong). Winston (talk) 13:27, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think it’s probably because he’s one of their players with an article?
He has made appearances for Bradford in the EFL Trophy so it might be worth doing what some other clubs have and adding an U21/Academy section below and place him there. Like what Manchester City have for example. Josh (talk) 11:00, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
But that was last season, and there is no mention of him on their website or league squad list for this season (in first team or U19s). According to Bradford, he signed a 1 year deal in July 23, and no news anywhere that he has definitely renewed it. Spike 'em (talk) 11:16, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The template was designed to link the current squad players with articles together, regardless of being separated between youth and senior squads. Govvy (talk) 11:29, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
According to EFL Squad List 23/24 (Page 105), Freddy Jeffreys was registered last year. And this is the reason he made appearances for Bradford in the EFL Trophy. But he is not registered in the EFL system and he is not listed in Bradford AFC senior and U19 squad.
If it is in the article (e.g. Man City) then making a separate section saying that the player is U21/Academy player would make sense. But here we are discussion should the unregistered player added in the template (e.g. Template:Bradford City A.F.C. squad) that belongs to the first team? Winston (talk) 12:09, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Should the player-club relationship terminate when the contract expire?
Due to my understanding most UK football player contract ends at 30 Jun. Does it mean that the player is a free agent (player-club relationship terminate) after 30 Jun when the existing contract expire? Winston (talk) 12:35, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm more ambivalent about this one : there are often cases where clubs renew contracts without fanfare, or let players continue to train whilst technically out of contract. If a club says player had not been retained / offered new contract then I'd say the player is then a free-agent. Spike 'em (talk) 12:45, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Should wikipedia based on WP:RS? If we strictly follow reliable source then should we say the player-club relationship terminate when the contract expire (unless there are reliable source saying the player belongs to the club, e.g. contract renewal)? Winston (talk) 12:49, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What I mean is - with the reliable source on hand. The last known information was the last known contract, which is expired. Other than that anything (e.g. player renew contracts without fanfare) would seems WP:OR to me. Winston (talk) 12:55, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
