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Israel and Palestine

Israel and Palestine. --- In that section it is not as clear here as it could be that Carter's use of the term "apartheid" applies to the extra-national occupied territories such as the West Bank, and not to Israel proper --- "Former US President Jimmy Carter wrote the 2006 book Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid. His use of the term "apartheid" was calibrated to avoid specific accusations of racism against the government of Israel, and carefully limited to the situation in Gaza and the West Bank. In a letter to the Board of Rabbis of Greater Phoenix, Carter made clear that he was not discussing the circumstances within Israel but exclusively within Gaza and the West Bank.[42] In a 2007 interview, he said: "Apartheid is a word that is an accurate description of what has been going on in the West Bank, and it's based on the desire or avarice of a minority of Israelis for Palestinian land. It's not based on racism...This is a word that's a very accurate description of the forced separation within the West Bank of Israelis from Palestinians and the total domination and oppression of Palestinians by the dominant Israeli military." The material in quotes is taken from the Wikipedia entry on Israel and apartheid. 2600:1017:B125:B126:7CE3:3FA6:9312:286A (talk) 15:45, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It seems pretty clear to me. The very first sentence in that section says, "Carter's Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid, a New York Times Best Seller book, published in 2006, generated controversy for characterizing Israel's policies in the Israeli-occupied West Bank and Gaza Strip as amounting to apartheid." Do you have a proposed change you'd like to see, with a source? GA-RT-22 (talk) 15:56, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

One month, not 2 weeks

" In August, Carter said he hoped to vote for the Democratic nominee, Kamala Harris, in the 2024 presidential election, two weeks after his 100th birthday"

The same Guardian article clarified that he will turn 100 one month before the November election, not two weeks before. TheSupremeMoron (talk) 15:16, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The source was indicating that early voting in Georgia starts on October 15, 2024, which is exactly two weeks after Carter's 100th birthday. Since we don't know whether Carter will make it to that date, nor when he will vote if he does make it to then, I'd say that based on how the sentence here is written, we shouldn't specify an exact relative date ("two weeks" or "one month") in the sentence. Simply saying it will be "after his 100th birthday" should suffice. MPFitz1968 (talk) 15:40, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also he'll probably vote absentee, which means he will mark his ballot even earlier, although it won't be counted until later. And we don't know what the rules are if someone dies before the count. So I agree we should leave out the exact timeframe. GA-RT-22 (talk) 15:49, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
fair enough TheSupremeMoron (talk) 17:32, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
From what I understand, Georgia has no laws on whether or not these votes should be counted (https://www.ncsl.org/elections-and-campaigns/counting-absentee-ballots-after-a-voter-dies), so it's unclear what would happen to his ballot Qqars (talk) 17:13, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
According to People magazine, Georgia does not have any laws barring a ballot from being counted if someone dies between the early voting period and Election Day. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 17:25, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Voting is via secret ballot, so it would be quite interesting how they would know the vote to disregard it, gotcha ? 82.131.147.255 (talk) 22:14, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
An absentee ballot can be rejected (for an invalid signature or other procedural error) up until it is removed from the envelope and placed in the pile to be counted. When that occurs depends on state law. Donald Albury 22:39, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Genocide without a source

I've already reverted this once, but per BLP policy I think we need to immediately remove the statement that Carter supported genocide until a source citation is provided.

Also per WP:LEAD this needs to be stated and sourced in the body of the article, not in the lead, although it can be summarized there. GA-RT-22 (talk) 01:29, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The sources for Carter's support for the Indonesian government even as it committed a genocide are in the lead section. No, Carter probably wasn't jumping around in jubilation at the sight of the victims, but he made the realpolitik decision to support the regime as it carried out such atrocities. Maurnxiao (talk) 02:13, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please see Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Biography#Lead section, which starts with The lead section should summarise with due weight the life and works of the person. When writing about controversies in the lead section of a biography, relevant material should neither be suppressed nor allowed to overwhelm: always pay scrupulous attention to reliable sources, and make sure the lead correctly reflects the entirety of the article. The decision as to whether an item in the body of the article has sufficient weight to be included in the lead is subject to discussion by interested editors, and, if questioned, there must be a consensus to include it. You should have opened a discussion here the first time you were reverted, if you still wanted to add that item to the lead. You do seem to be on a campaign to add contentious material to the leads of articles about famous leaders. The need to seek consensus for adding any item to the lead if anyone has objected applies to all of those articles, and particular so to any article about a living or recently deceased person. If you continue to add controversial items to leads without a consensus to so, you may, and likely will, become subject to sanctions on your editing. Donald Albury 14:18, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Centenarian?

Why does it say he's a centenarian? Isn't his birthday October 1? That's tomorrow, at least in the eastern time zone. Are we going by UTC? GA-RT-22 (talk) 00:35, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I mean... Wikipedia runs on UTC, so I guess in that case he is a centenarian. LilianaUwU 00:45, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not exactly since we still have to wait until its midnight in Georgia to officially say it. CAnny (talk) 01:15, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It will be automatically updated in 150 minutes. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 01:30, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
So I guess we're taking the Midnight Train to Georgia GA-RT-22 (talk) 01:46, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Is it the same train the Devil took to get to Georgia? LilianaUwU 02:11, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks to {{show by date}}, the previous wording will remain until midnight in the eastern time zone. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 01:09, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sure this has been a problem before guys---I'm certain there's an correct answer with your guys' experience Aziair (talk) 03:04, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You go up in age at midnight the day before your birthday, at least under English and American common law. Absolutely no one considers you to have, but this is legally correct:
https://law.stackexchange.com/questions/4783/us-law-what-exact-time-is-a-person-considered-legally-18
Good luck convincing a bouncer, but it's true.
Social Security agrees too:
https://www.ssa.gov/OP_Home/cfr20/404/404-0102.htm Embowaf (talk) 03:40, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also, that's probably why the info box shows him as 100 already and that's calculated. Embowaf (talk) 03:41, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not quite; the infobox calculated "100" as soon as it passed midnight UTC. Per users above, the prose is awaiting midnight EDT. Rhain (he/him) 03:52, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough on the infobox. But, I'm pretty sure I'm right still. Not gonna fight it; it's an obscure fact. Embowaf (talk) 04:00, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I never claimed otherwise, nor am I interested in doing so. Rhain (he/him) 04:02, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sources

Is there some reason the Bibliography section is not alphabetized by author name? Would it be ok for me to sort it?

What is this section anyway? I thought it was works cited, but it has a number of works listed that are not cited. Are these supposed to be general references? If not, are they further reading, and should they be moved to that section?

What is the primary sources section? Why are these in the further reading section if they are sources? It looks like it's books written by Carter, except for the last three entries on the list. What are these? GA-RT-22 (talk) 04:32, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Everything in the § Bibliography section is cited. I've sorted them alphabetically. Rhain (he/him) 04:44, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-Confirmed-protected edit requests

Could you please change the 199th reference (since it is a dead link and is not archived) to this: https://www.politico.com/agenda/story/2015/09/department-of-education-history-000235/ Thanks, Who am I? Talk to me! What have I done? 08:48, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ref numbers change all the time. Can you be more specific? GA-RT-22 (talk) 14:34, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
 Done. Good catch. The link # hadn't changed since the request was made, so it was a fairly easy fix. That being said, GA-RT-22 is correct in saying that ref numbers change frequently in the course of editing. So, for future reference, please give more specific details when requesting a replacement link for a specific reference. Thanks. A. Randomdude0000 (talk) 15:53, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for helping me know that.
Who am I? Talk to me! What have I done? 17:05, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jimmy Carter 100th birthday mosaic

Please consider putting this information in the article in some form. — Jimmy Carter's 100th birthday: Here's how to sign the virtual card: Celebrating 100 Years!. Thanks. Bob K31416 (talk) 00:09, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]