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Declined draft - follow up question?

Hello @SafariScribe, I hope you’re well. You declined my draft here, and I was wondering whether you have read the discussion linked on the talk page here, and I you would be willing to elaborate on why it (particularly with the new sources) does not meet the notability requirements. It’s my opinion that we are significantly above what I have been approved for on my other account when writing about an org, but WP:Other does of course apply.

Would you be willing to either approve the draft or help me look for sources that establish notability?

Please note that I have a (mild, but still) non-financial COI in relation with the subject.

Thank you!

Sincerly, HelixUnwinding (talk) 09:21, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I will look at it again and look for any available source. I am not assuring. Safari Scribe 09:50, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you very much! HelixUnwinding (talk) 09:54, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hey, did you have the opportunity to look at it? HelixUnwinding (talk) 14:08, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@SafariScribe hello, I wanted to ask you please, is my page correct or incorrect, is there something I should put on the page? Abu yusuf Iacoub (talk) 13:52, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]


Woops. Posted in the wrong thread. Thanks HelixUnwinding for pointing that out. Fixing now.
I am confused. Did you open this thread? Why posting herein? Safari Scribe 13:54, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@SafariScribe I mean my new page called Capture of Madrid 1196 Abu yusuf Iacoub (talk) 14:03, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Sir, Safari Scribe. Question about my submission declination.

Hello Sir, Hope you are doing quite alright, Im Guillermo Guzmán, the author of the Spaniard Dominicans article. Just wondering, what do I need to change in terms of sources and citations for my article to be accepted, what mistakes have I made, Please excuse my mistakes, As I am new to wikipedia, Thank you. Have a nice day sir and im looking foward to you're response. Guillermo Guzmán Peña (talk) 03:20, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please can I get the link? Safari Scribe 04:12, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Draft:Spaniard Dominicans Guillermo Guzmán Peña (talk) 15:23, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Your draft is promotional and likely to bear what's already or should be added to Dominicans in Spain. Safari Scribe 04:18, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Respectfully sir, I disagree. Dominicans in Spain is an article that focuses on Dominican immigration and connection to mainland Spain. There is a significant Old Stock/Recent immigrant population in the Dominican Republic with connections to Spain. I was trying to go for the style already present in similar articles like https://en.wikipedia.org/key/Italian_Dominicans. Basically the article is about Dominicans of Spanish heritage or descent. I see your point for the article having a promotional point of view, Which parts could I reform or eliminate, or should I make a new draft entirely? But again, The article im writing does not fit in Dominicans in Spain, as it is the opposite of the topic. Thank you sir, Waiting on you're response. Guillermo Guzmán Peña (talk) 13:47, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Im sorry if this adds to your stress, But whenever you are available, Id like to discuss what we could reform and fix on this article, Thank you Safari Scribe, I appreciate your work. Guillermo Guzmán Peña (talk) 12:39, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Guillermo Guzmán Peña (talk page watcher) I have given this a skim read. Everywhere I see the word 'notable' I cringe. Notability cannot be stated, but it can be shown.
I think you need to give close attention the phraseology you have used. Please look for areas where you have drawn conclusions. These are original research, which is an easy trap to fall into. An example is this paean of praise: "Overall the Spanish legacy in the Dominican Republic is vibrant and makes up a very significant part of Dominican culture and heritage as a Hispanic nation." which screams of PR style material
You should only be summarising in your own words what is said in independent reliable sources about the topic.
In summary, I believe you need a far shorter draft, written more tightly, avoiding OR and praise. 🇺🇦 Fiddle Faddle 🇺🇦 13:08, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Fair point Sir, I admit I did commit OR and the article had a praising tone in some sections. I didnt mean for it to sound this way, but at the end of the day when writing articles, I guess your not evaluating information, Just presenting it. I will avoid any "Showcasing" statements like the praise you pointed out, thats completely fair, Thank you for pointing that out. Any recommendations on how to source better? I think im thinking of removing certain portions entirely and rewriting them for better wording and accuracy. I Appreciate your help. Guillermo Guzmán Peña (talk) 16:12, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Guillermo Guzmán Peña May I suggest that you read WP:REFB and WP:CITE. Before taking any action, though, I commend this essay to you. It has the process that is ,most likely to create success for a notable topic.
Many people mistake Wikipedia for a blog or magazine. It is not. We may only record what is said about a subject in multiple reliable secondary independent sources, and im our own words. Wikipedia is a Tertiary Source.
We may not evaluate, not form nor draw conclusions. If, for example, there are two or more conflicting (referenced) statements about something, our job is to record that they each exist, not to choose which we record.
By the way, none of us here is "sir!"
Tough learning curve, isn't it? 🇺🇦 Fiddle Faddle 🇺🇦 16:25, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Is it improper Wikipedia etiquette to call someone "Sir"? Apologizes if so. Guillermo Guzmán Peña (talk) 16:43, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I will look at it again @Guillermo Guzmán Peña. Safari Scribe 13:07, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
All of the pictures decorating it appear to be improperly licenced on Commons. They need to add value, not simple be decorative. 🇺🇦 Fiddle Faddle 🇺🇦 13:23, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What do you mean by them not adding value? In similar articles there are pictures of notable people who have heritage or descent, like for example celebrities, politicans, and public figures. As for the images of Churches, Cathedrals, Squares, etc, These are places that have been founded by and/or created by Spanish Dominicans during the Spanish colonial era, Using Spanish architecture and style, so it is a component of Spanish culture in the Dominican Republic. Could you be a bit more specific on what you mean? Also the pictures went through and were accepted on commons, and are not copywritted. Sorry if I am misunderstanding what you want to say. Guillermo Guzmán Peña (talk) 16:40, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Guillermo Guzmán Peña You probably mistake what I mean by 'value'.
We add pictures when they enhance the meaning of an article, or illustrate a key point. We do not use them to beautify it.
You need to look at c:User talk:Guillermo Guzmán Peña. Commons is moderated by editors, not by software. 🇺🇦 Fiddle Faddle 🇺🇦 21:37, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have come to the conclusion that Its best to start from scratch. Are all the images going to be deleted automatically? I think I will delete my submission. Guillermo Guzmán Peña (talk) 12:09, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Alright sir, I appreciate this, Will rewrite and reform many sections of the article and submit a better draft, as well as look over my sources to verify them, also removing any tone or OR I might have committed. Thank your sir, Hope you are feeling ok. Guillermo Guzmán Peña (talk) 16:14, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merger discussion for Draft: Film Afrika

An article that you have been involved in editing—Draft: Film Afrika—has been proposed for merging with another article. If you are interested, please participate in the merger discussion. Thank you. Karinvanderlaag (talk) 11:53, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply] 

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Good Day

As per advice I would like to start the discussion around merging the Draft: Film Afrika page into the David Wicht page.

Hope I am doing this the right way? I will then follow the other instructions in the template you showed me.

Thanks

Karin Karinvanderlaag (talk) 11:53, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Programme name

Hi. Even if "RAI" hasn't been changed (Talk:RAI#Requested move 16 July 2024), Non è la Rai (Talk:Non è la RAI#Programme name) was the name of a programme and, therefore, it's mandatory to write the original name; see, for example: https://www.nssgclub.com/en/lifestyle/16739/non-e-la-rai-history-tv-show-italian. JacktheBrown (talk) 20:20, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Safari

Good day Safari, was wondering if you saw this, you accepted it to mainspace because it passes WP:NALBUM. 102.88.68.119 (talk) 07:22, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for accepting my submission Fakim Wildlife Sanctuary

Cltr (talk) 15:28, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Asking explanation for declining drafts

Hi, I saw you declined my drafts for Premium Crime and Dlife (TV channel, 2012–2020). What is the problem with these drafts? How can I get them published?

I have to say something: I titled the second page Dlife (TV channel, 2012–2020) and not just Dlife, beacuse I want to distinguish this Dlife channel to another Japanese TV channel with the same name, which replaced Fox in Japan on 1st March 2024. What can I do about this? Filippo.g204 (talk) 13:25, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The reasons for declining your submission are explicitly written therein. Safari Scribe 13:32, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know why these sources are not reliable. That's the problem Filippo.g204 (talk) 13:35, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
For Premium Crime: MovieTele.it, TvBlog, tvprofil.com (this is used in many place). Safari Scribe 13:38, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Filippo.g204, List of newspapers in Italy. Safari Scribe 14:02, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Request on 16:44:21, 29 August 2024 for assistance on AfC submission by Brooklyn315


Hi SafariScribe! Thank you so much for taking the time to review my draft page for Lucy Heavens. I would love to get some insight please on the decision to decline the page as her fellow co-creator Nic Smal (who is mentioned on her page) was recently published that I also wrote. He has a similar amount of references, and in fact a few less than Lucy Heavens.

I believe Lucy Heavens does have significant coverage especially compared to other wiki pages that I have read. I would be happy to do another round of edits/looking for more sources but would that make a difference? I have already exhausted most of the possibilities. I could also dive deeper into her lengthy podcast interview for more nuances about her upbringing but again, not sure if these efforts would yield different results so I'm a bit lost and frustrated since I've been tweaking this page for several months.

Please advise! How rewarding that you work with children and young adults as a clergy.

warmly, Vivien

Brooklyn315 (talk) 16:44, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have helped out there. However, more sources are needed and I will find them; it's a matter of time. Thanks! Safari Scribe 09:37, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Feedback on article rejection

Hi SafariScribe! I hope you are doing well. Thank you for taking the time to review my draft page for the artist collective Keiken. You rejected the article for "lack of reliable sources," which I don't fully understand.

Keiken are one of the most well-known worldbuilding artists working today. They have done numerous museum shows and regularly work internationally. They are included in every major worldbuilding exhibition that has happened in recent years, and I've seen numerous artists with a much "smaller" career be featured on Wikipedia, so I don't understand what the lack of reliable sources is. Could you kindly advise?

Is it because I have included direct links to museum websites where the shows have taken place? Would you prefer me to link news clippings and articles about said shows?

Thank you! WorldbuildingArtists (talk) 08:30, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It isn't about seeing small featured articles. Read WP:NMUSICBIO to get familiar with our requirements for musician's notability. Safari Scribe 09:36, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi! Thank you. I've read through the article you sent; but Keiken are not musicians or ensembles; they are artists (visual artists); their medium just happens to be XR/new media/video/gaming. It's the same thing as if they were painters basically, but their chosen medium is different and more tech-focused. So I am not sure how the music article applies to this case.
There are some bits from this article that do apply, such as: "Thus, notability is not determined by what the article says, it is determined by how well the article does or does not support the things it says by referencing them to independent verification in reliable sources;" and "Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published," which again I have done as none of the references I used are in any way connected with materials that Keiken themselves have published... it's all independent museums, galleries or/and art magazines.
Generally, I've seen countless artists - who are way more junior than Keiken - having Wikipedia pages, so I am still unclear on how I can improve this article so that it gets accepted. Can you kindly advise? WorldbuildingArtists (talk) 09:52, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry for the error, I should have cited WP:NARTIST. However, your draft seems notable, but I need to see more reliable sources that meets WP:RS and provides meaningful analysis of theor work, not just primary sources or gallery listings, to meet WP:SIGCOV criteria. Safari Scribe 10:25, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi again! I have read the articles that you listed, thank you for sharing them. Do you think that the article I've written should stay as is, it its entirety, but the thing that needs to change is to reference more independent and reliable sources analysing Keiken's work and the concepts behind it? WorldbuildingArtists (talk) 08:19, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi hi! Just checking in about this. WorldbuildingArtists (talk) 10:58, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

While not usual, this practice is acceptable

We may accept a draft when under pressure from a creating editor, and then, with policy based rationale, send it for the community's verdict at WP:AfD. We need to state why we have done this in the deletion rationale in my opinion.

Actions like this should never become the norm, they are exceptional actions, but they allow us to resolve a difficult, probably circular, conversation by handing the decision off to the community. 🇺🇦 Fiddle Faddle 🇺🇦 11:58, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I know that, @Timtrent, but I wouldn't want to stress the editor especially newbies. I often like to do such with a stubborn one especially in cases of WP:POINT. Safari Scribe 12:45, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Update on your review

Hi SafariScribe

Many thanks for your detailed comments and clarifications on my talk page at User talk:Klighed.

I replied to you there with some suggestions a couple of weeks ago but I'm not sure if you get notified of replies on my talk page?? Just to let you know that there's a reply waiting for you there in case you didn't get a notification. Klighed (talk) 13:11, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This week's article for improvement (week 36, 2024)

Hello, SafariScribe. The article for improvement of the week is:

Cancel culture

Please be bold and help improve it!

Previous selections: Once Upon a Time in the West • Keygen

Get involved with the AFI project: Nominate an article • Review nominations

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Draft: Chilai Howard (RESUBMIT advices)

Hi there, @SafariScribe, I am new to the wiki community and 5 months ago, I have created a new wiki for Draft: Chilai Howard and recently got declined. As per suggestions and helpful advices from the help chat box @Qcne, beside those Design Award Bodies, Hong Kong government, International festival/museums references, I have found more independent sources such art critics/art magazine/cultural news outlets towards Chilai Howard and/or his works. I’m writing to seek your advices if the following links will work before adding to the Draft, some of them are in Traditional Chinese though, my apologise.

(1) https://www.para-site.art/publications/this-is-hong-kong-15-video-artists/ page 20, review of my work, written by Robin Peckham, arts writer and Co-Director of Taipei Dangdai (台北當代)

(2) https://www.scm.cityu.edu.hk/events/chilai-howard-received-3rd-scm-distinguished-alumni-award

(3) https://issuu.com/prismcreation/docs/03/44?ff art magazine 三角志 page 44-45

(4) https://www.hk01.com/藝文/911338/香港藝術發展獎-認識當代後起之秀-延續本地藝術發展

(5) https://www.oneaspace.org.hk/art-critics-aug (art critics Grace Tsang under 《身在空間中的喘息》)

(6) https://www.oneaspace.org.hk/art-critics-july (art critics under 喘息空間：香港當代藝術展 by 許軒琳)

(7) https://www.cityu.edu.hk/aro/alumnistories/140.htm

(8) https://collection.news/thestandnews/articles/89635 (standnews review on Howard video work “O”)

(9) https://www.cityu.edu.hk/cityutoday/en/ct-55/reshaping-brain-and-eye-creativity

(10) https://www.frieze.com/article/critics-guide-hong-kong (art critic magazine Frieze on Howard’s video work “O”)

(11) https://m.hkej.com/landing/mobarticle2?id=1540016 (newspaper HKEJ 香港信報 on Howard’s 鄭智禮 work “ųm”)

apologise for the long paragraph and the language differences on the links, thank you so much for kind assistances and time for reviewing my draft. Hoping I could work on more of other hong kong artists in the future in this community 🙏🏻 Hongkongart (talk) 08:34, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge of Draft: Film Afrika into David Wicht

Good Day safariScribe

I hope you are well. I have merged the two pages as far as I can tell, and just wanted your advice on a new headline. I have proposed David Wicht and Film Afrika.

I am not sure if this is correct. It will now be a page about a living person and the company he created, so I am not sure how to tag it. Karinvanderlaag (talk) 11:31, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Article: Karin van der Laag

Good Day safariScribe

As you know the page which was written about me by someone else, was removed and since then I have been invited to re-write it eventhough writing articles about oneself is discouraged. As mentioned, my first page was not written by me, it appeared from another writer, whom I don't know and was then deleted. I searched for my page again and found it to be up and intact but written in Hausa, a language of Chad. How do i go about re-instating the page in English: or will I still have to start form scratch and rewrite my page. I have started a new draft page but have not submitted it for review yet.

Your advice please?

Kind Regards

Karin van der Laag Karinvanderlaag (talk) 11:52, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Karinvanderlaag (talk page watcher) you may request the undeletion of the original if you feel it is justified. You will need to lodge a WP:Deletion review because it was deleted by consensus at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Karin Van Der Laag. The rationale must be a technical one. The steps are defined for you there.
Draft:Karin van der Laag will need to demonstrate that it is substantially different from the deleted article to be accepted.
@SafariScribe there is substantial history on this editor's talk page whch will inform your response. 🇺🇦 Fiddle Faddle 🇺🇦 12:02, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed I have just had to add to that talk page warnings about breaches of WP:PAID, and WP:Edit war, while giving advice for the to read WP:3RR 🇺🇦 Fiddle Faddle 🇺🇦 12:18, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No article on Wikipedia is above deletion but any page, can avoid being deleted if it meets WP:N. @Karinvanderlaag, that you have edited other people's article doesn't mean you too should be justified having one, No!, it doesn't work out that way. Tim has completely advised you and believe me, if you have attained notability, an article will be created for you, it is a matter of little time. Please always know that writing autobiography here isn't always advisable and you should desist from writing one especially about yourself. And if you continue (to do so), then there would be a need for than. Just remain a faithful editor and fully understand how Wikipedia works. Cheers!
P.S. Your draft isn't yet written well for publication and per WP:IMDB, the site isn'tñ reliable. Safari Scribe 13:09, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the advice. I was just surprised as I did a good edit on it for over two hours and now all the information seems to be gone. I believe I forgot to delete the paid contributor section on my talk page. I thought that this just applied to the other pages and not to Karin van der Laag. Karinvanderlaag (talk) 13:38, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. I do not believe I am justified in having a page. I had a page. Many colleagues with less notability than I do have a page. I am just trying to re-instate the page and make it better than whoever put it up there in the first place. I did 2 hours of edits which are now all gone. I am not sure why? Could you explain this to me? Karinvanderlaag (talk) 13:40, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Karinvanderlaag Your last saved edit on Draft:Karin van der Laag was at 16:11, 4 July 2024‎, thus I doubt that this is what you refer to. If it is then you failed to click the button to save your work. If I edit for more than 10 minutes I save my work every 10 minutes or more frequently. This is normal practice when editing locally on on your client. It is more important still when editing across thousands of miles on a remote server located heaven knows where.
I'm sorry that your effort was wasted.
Now, you say "I do not believe I am justified in having a page." The deletiioimn discussion where it was deleted did not believe it either. I suggest you stop trying to force your way into Wikipedia. Write about something else, anything else.
Your deletion review has no rationale for any review, and will fail because of that lack. My opinion there will stand even if you provide a rationale. Deletion review only handles technical matters about the close. I suggested you read it all carefully, and it appears that you did not follow it as closely as you needed to do. I predict that this one will close speedily as 'no case to answer'. I also appear to be the only participant in the deletion discussion whom you invited. 🇺🇦 Fiddle Faddle 🇺🇦 15:20, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Good Day
Where will I find articles to edit, basically concerning English grammar issues? I would like to start editing those. I see that there are random articles offered up for edit, but is there a specific way of getting to articles, that just need grammar cleanup?
Thanks Karin Karinvanderlaag (talk) 05:45, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Karinvanderlaag, you can pick a particular type of grammar cleanup from the rather overwhelming list at WP:TASK. Copy editing specifically is at Category:All articles needing copy edit. I recommend Category:Wikipedia introduction cleanup if you're interested in writing but don't want to do any research. -- asilvering (talk) 05:51, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, that is very helpful Karinvanderlaag (talk) 11:30, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Declined Draft - follow up

Hi @SafariScribe, You have declined my draft The Earth Saviours Foundation. The reason for decline was the tonality of the article. Now I have changed that and according to me it seems neutral now, can you please help me further improve it? And to resubmit my article. "wikiog777" (talk) 15:35, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

no Declined I have replied on your talk page/the draft's. Cheers! Safari Scribe 16:07, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reason for rejecting

Hello SafariScribe, I just wanted to know before I resubmitted Draft:1971 Canadian census, did it get rejected because the links in references didn’t work or because the sources in said references are really not reliable. WikiPhil012 (talk) 15:57, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I haven't been to Canada and will love to, if anyone is gonna make it work (hilarious), and I don't know about the Canadian census in 1971, and so with people who may come across it. Given above reason, my decline was because of sources; we need to see significant coverage in multiple reliable sources at least WP:THREE. Safari Scribe 16:06, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for replying so fast! I added newspapers articles to the references section. Which I guess may be called reliable sources. So in short, (or as we say in French “bref”), I’m filled with gratitude for the good reply you sent me. WikiPhil012 (talk) 20:53, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

hi

hi, can you be my mentor.? Mysteriouslucifer (talk) 05:36, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi and welcome to Wikipedia.
Sure, I will be willing to help, @Mysteriouslucifer. Cheers! Safari Scribe 20:52, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:Mikheil Lomtadze

Hello. I deleted some phrases and sources, and also supplemented the article with encyclopedic information. Please take a look. I am ready to correct the comments. 195.49.205.27 (talk) 11:24, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cathedral of the Protection of the Blessed Virgin Mary in Radom moved to draftspace

Thanks for your contributions to Cathedral of the Protection of the Blessed Virgin Mary in Radom. Unfortunately, I do not think it is ready for publishing at this time because it needs more sources to establish notability. I have converted your article to a draft which you can improve, undisturbed for a while.

Please see more information at Help:Unreviewed new page. When the article is ready for publication, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page OR move the page back. Theroadislong (talk) 20:02, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Theroadislong, so that user moved that to mainspace? You could have tagged for AFD because I don't see notability coming any time soon . Safari Scribe 20:50, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi sorry about the generic message, I thought there was a chance of the building being notable per WP:NBUILDING but the creator took this to mean it would survive an WP:AFD and moved it. I had hoped to find better sources as most cathedrals do appear to be notable, I've not had much luck though so far! Theroadislong (talk) 21:03, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Request on 23:36:53, 3 September 2024 for assistance on AfC submission by Brooklyn315


Hi there Safariscribe! Did you get my previous message about asking for help understanding why Lucy's page was declined when Nic Smal's page got verified? I'm really hoping to add back in many of the sources that you deleted from Lucy's page as I've sent on many wikipedia pages that are interviews are accepted.

I'm not able to see my previous message to you....so not sure if it went through. Thank you so much!


Brooklyn315 (talk) 23:36, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's not a problem, @Brooklyn315. You can go ahead and revert my help and stressful impact to help your draft. However, remember that we don't just look at other articles because they may have satisfied a certain criteria and the few sources are there to place more emphasis. From my view, I do see rejection or another decline if submitted since you've decided not to follow Wikipedia policies and guidelines for notability. Cheers! Safari Scribe 04:15, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Got it, thanks so much @SafariScribe. Understood that looking at other articles/similar ones doesn't impact the criteria/Wikipedia guidelines for notability. I will revert the draft but also see what else I can add to bolster my chances for my next review! Cheers! Brooklyn315 (talk) 18:04, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Request on 04:21:13, 4 September 2024 for assistance on AfC submission by TTTEMLPBrony


About Mr. Razatos, he didn't actually direct those films. He was only second unit director on those films. Also, he didn't direct second unit on all of these films, a good chunk of them is only dedicated to his stuntwork on those films. Come on, man, clue me what to do please so we can get this done and over with and we can do on our merry ways.

TTTEMLPBrony (talk) 04:21, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You see, that is exactly the problem. If he wasn't the major director, I don't think he'd pass WP:NDIRECTOR. We follow Wikipedia guidelines (WP:GNG) and it isn't in our hands to accept or define drafts anyhow. While we need more articles, we also don't need one that doesn't meet our criteria. I am sorry, but I can't do anything. You may do maintenance works and when experienced, like in the next month or two, you may begin writing drafts again. Cheers! Safari Scribe 04:52, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Request on 14:01:54, 4 September 2024 for assistance on AfC submission by Andrew Macklin


Good day, SafariScribe --

Please see my follow-up comment. It may provide additional context that explains why Logan Henderson meets the criteria for inclusion in Wikipedia. Very glad to engage further if you like -- AM


Andrew Macklin (talk) 14:01, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dominic Ferris – reliable sources?

Hello! With respect to my Dominic Ferris submission here, might you be able to offer some guidance as to whether it simply needs to have certain sources that aren't "reliable" removed, or whether additional sources that are more "reliable" should be added? I have included pretty much all the sources available, and I think they more than adequately demonstrate notability. Thanks! PSPazW (talk) 15:52, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You should remove all unreliable sources from the draft. To know what we call unreliable, see WP:RS. For me, I normally recommend newspapers, articles, journals (peer reviewed), e.t.c. Safari Scribe 16:18, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks so much. I've removed the extraneous "unreliable" sources, keeping only the newspapers and the major industry press like Broadway World and Pianist Magazine. Hope you'll take another look! PSPazW (talk) 14:00, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rejected draft follow-up

Hi @SafariScribe, I hope you are well. I noticed that you rejected the submission of the improved draft. Link In the new revision I added some new news articles, in-depth book coverage and journals (peer reviewed), but you rejected it for the second time but didn't explain why the new sources are not useful. Could you please explain the reason for rejecting the submission? Regards. 2003:E3:B745:F7A6:256B:90B9:C0AC:90B6 (talk) 16:06, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In your draft, there are mostly, WP:PRIMARYSOURCES—books and articles written by him—which doesn't show how notable a person can be but are used to verify that the book was written by him. For example, sole book reviews, though should carry the authors name, may standardize recognizing only the impact of the book without the author and then, we will use primary sources to also verify that the author truly wrote the book and most times, the year of publication. We also maintain a high standard for biography of living persons , and all sources should be secondary (newspapers, book reviews, peer reviewed journals and not blogs). Cheers! Safari Scribe 11:35, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi @SafariScribe,
Thank you for your reply and guidance.
What you are asking is already covered in the current draft.
As per book reviews, I refer you to the following:
I refer you to the following peer-reviewed articles:
This is also another peer-reviewed article by the subject that I didn't include in the current draft: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29478084/
I trust this addresses the concerns? 2003:E3:B745:F7A6:256B:90B9:C0AC:90B6 (talk) 14:06, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I will access the sources above later during the day. Safari Scribe 04:18, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:Ali Zulfikar zahedi declined

Dear

I would be proud to get help and kind hand if you put into this article to make it live. I am new here then I must need help from you. My first article Ali Zulfikar Zahedi , who is a film director and seen in internet having many activities on his. Thus, I feel a good article could be in Wikipedia. Looking for your kind support that it has been declined by you. Could you please look on to and I might miss reliable source but in internet it has many coverage but as a new I am not sure which source will be appropriate. Looking for your kind hand on this article Burdubai007 (talk) 07:57, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please link the draft here! Safari Scribe 11:36, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Draft:Ali Zulfikar Zahedi Burdubai007 (talk) 16:59, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi SafariScribe, most likely sock puppetry involved here, see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Kagoz. আফতাবুজ্জামান (talk) 20:16, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Many thanks, @আফতাবুজ্জামান. Your draft should meet WP:NDIRECTOR before it will be accepted into the article mainspace, @Burdubai007. Cite reliable sources that can be used to explicitly verify that he directed all those films as listed in the draft
Cheers! Safari Scribe 04:17, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Articles for Creation Barnstar

The Articles for Creation Barnstar
You know say my own no dey hard :) I like your contributions to AfC, no be small work you don do dia. I see am, plenty pipo don see am, as I like am na so dem like am. Try rest anytime you feel like say your brain wan fry, den come back with full force. I still like am as I see say you don dey learn plenty things already from the mistakes wey you bin make before. No looseguard, keep the good work up. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 14:22, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This landed me above the earth. Thank you @Vanderwaalforces. Ná you be the papa of NPP:). Keep going high! Safari Scribe 15:32, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Draft: Torch Electronics

Hello can you provide some more clarity on the reason for denial. I know it mentioned something about high quality sources but also relevance. I think I have a decent amount of diverse sources and the company is very germane to Missouri Politics especially this upcoming election. Thanks! Draft:Torch_Electronics IRT787 (talk) 04:03, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your draft should meet WP:NCORP before it will get accepted into the article namespace. In its current form, my denial reason was explicit and you should attempt reading them all while clicking the links to help you. Being involved in politics doesn't always make a company notable, and your drats contains WP:PEACOCK terms that sounds like a promotional draft. Incase you want to continue writing here, you may like to read Wikipedia:WORDSTOWATCH. Cheers! Safari Scribe 04:47, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
At the risk of sounding a little rude, did you read the draft? I think the valid criticism would be that's it's actually too negative and certainly not puffery. I think that a major controversy of unregulated gambling machines at nearly every gas station in the state is a major issue and something that the public should be able to find more information about the company here on Wikipedia. Not to mention the political controversy of the attorney general dropping the lawsuit after receiving financial contributions from the company in question.
There are at least three separate major regional news outlets listed in the references and can add more if needed. IRT787 (talk) 22:20, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You have resubmitted the draft, @IRT787, and I'm sorry for, to you, being a bit rude. However, that's my reason for declining your draft. Better sources, ofcourse, will be good if added, but I am not certain your draft meets WP:NCORP. Good luck! Safari Scribe 04:12, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Blue Origin landing platform" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect Blue Origin landing platform has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Anyone, including you, is welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 8 § Blue Origin landing platform until a consensus is reached. 64.229.88.34 (talk) 10:15, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:Logan Henderson (engineer) rejection

I've studied your rejection and the putative notability of Henderson, looking particularly at the version you rejected as lacking notability.

I am puzzled. Henderson's notability is sufficiently established in that version by this reference. With the notability established I believe that this revision stood a better than 50% chance of surviving am immediate deletion process. Thus acceptance ought to have been the route forward rather than rejection. Had you been, as I presume you to have been, in doubt, then a decline would have been a better route than rejection.

I think this review was an error. You may wish to talk to the creating editor and to discuss your thought processes. 🇺🇦 Fiddle Faddle 🇺🇦 18:16, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would have rechecked but thank God it has been accepted. Mistakes happen but I should be extremely careful. Cheers! [since yesterday, my technology have been saying, likely: "WP is down" and I couldn't respond because its an issue with the technology here] Safari Scribe 04:09, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Speed of progress

We have had this discussion before. Please slow down still further. You have editors asking you questions about your reviews, questions you appear to have left unanswered. We must be able to justify our reviews. Unwillingness or inability to do so may disqualify us from the review process. Please take note of this thought, catch up on your backlog of unanswered questions, and reduce your speed. 🇺🇦 Fiddle Faddle 🇺🇦 18:44, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Backlog of unanswered questions. Really? Ofcourse I always answer and I have always been accountable for my reviews. And I've been thinking about your accountability question. It's either I have sorted it out with the editor or have done so somewhere. Please recheck and tell me if it's also mandatory to answer a request that is off my reviews at AFC. I sometimes help out but not to all. This type of words are strong and possibly because I don't come to AFC help desk; that I will add to my daily task. Cheers! Safari Scribe 04:05, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What I am looking at is perception. It may be that you have not been online to answer, but even a small number of questions is perceived as too many when they are outstanding. Without naming you, your review(s) have been discussed at WT:AFC in a light that caused me to find the draft spoken of, revert your review, and accept it. I don't want you to be discussed in any light except a golden one, a positive one.
You are, almost always, a good and diligent reviewer. Please keep to the highest standards. 🇺🇦 Fiddle Faddle 🇺🇦 08:00, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What I do sometimes if a query was answered elsewhere is add a note to the query on my tp stating it was answered elsewhere (i.e. answered at the Teahouse). One, as a note to myself so down the road I know why I did not respond but also so anyone looking at my tp knows the query was addressed.
Also, Safari I highly recommend for the most part not reviewing a draft more than once. Overall, I think additional eyes are helpful either because I may have made an error, another reviewer may hold a different opinion based on their experience (either to accept or provide better advice if it is still a decline) or another reviewer may be knowledgeable about the topic/willing to do work to get it over the line for acceptance. Sometimes even in instances where I know a draft does not and likely cannot meet notability I may leave it for another reviewer because hearing from someone else bolsters the draft does not meet the criteria so the creator (or anyone else) does not think it is only me who holds that opinion. There is a discussion at WT:AFC#Multiple rejections by same reviewer? and while not written into the instructions, it does appear to be standard practice. S0091 (talk) 15:58, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And while I here, are there any particular topics in which you have expertise or enjoy reviewing? If so, if I come across any I can ping you to have a look. There's a few editors I do that with (ex. for food topics I ping valereee, American football Beaniefan11, etc.). S0091 (talk) 16:31, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sometimes Tim will appear formal with his advice and harsh-to-do-good encouragement likewise you, S0091, that whenever you encourage me, I will leave the philosophy booklet I may be reading or any other and smile for a while. Thank you so so much. I enjoy reviewing anything but mostly church, films (actors and actresses) and literature. I won't probably say this one but gossip won't leave me. Do you know you are good for the mop? (please only you should see this and don't tell anybody I said so. 😂) Safari Scribe 16:48, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ha! You are funny Safari. :) S0091 (talk) 17:54, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Question from Happydays2024 on Wikipedia:Writing better articles (21:36, 8 September 2024)

How do I create certain things --Happydays2024 (talk) 21:36, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Happydays2024 and welcome to Wikipedia. Creating things, you mean articles?
Before writing on a topic including another person's biography, please browse very well about the thing and make sure it meets WP:GNG or any specific WP:SNG. Sources are various means of knowing how notable a thing could be, hence they should fall under WP:RS and are usually newspapers, national TV/Radio station news, peer reviewed journals, e.t.c. To have an initial guide to writing on Wikipedia, see our various articles: HELP:YFA. Safari Scribe 03:59, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This week's article for improvement (week 37, 2024)

Map of the Caroline Islands Archipelago
Hello, SafariScribe. The article for improvement of the week is:

Caroline Islands

Please be bold and help improve it!

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Article marked for deletion

Hey there SafariScribe -- I'm new to this whole thing and want my work to be as useful as possible. I see you marked my new page for Stephen-Craig Aristei as an article for deletion -- wanted to see what I need to do to have it remain. All the best. Rkg5514 (talk) 13:23, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, unfortunately, I can't do anything for you but will be neutral with your question. It's always good to research very well about a topic (person) before writing about them. It's mostly good to ask question as WP:GNG may vary from any editor's reading. That been said, your article doesn't meet WP:GNG or specifically,WP:NAUTHOR and WP:NMUSICIAN WP:NCREATIVE. You should note that adding WP:LOTSOFSOURCES may still add no notability. I would want you to pay attention to the consensus -to-meet (WP:AFD), which is ongoing to hear from different opinions. Please do not Wikipedia:BLUDGEON. Cheers! Safari Scribe 15:11, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for responding so quickly. As this individual is a music publisher and manager, rather than any kind of creative professional, I am not sure that WP:NAUTHOR applies in this instance. Same for WP:MUSICIAN as this person is not a musician, but rather an associated individual on the business side of the industry... Rkg5514 (talk) 15:34, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I will support userfying (turning into a draft) your article to help you learn how Wikipedia works and because I can't determine the SNG to use for a better explanation if not WP:NCREATIVE. As a music publisher, we can say that the article should have worked with musicians and it should depend on the music he has published. I also will value WP:NAUTHOR because part is writing is publishing. However, the most way of representing this is WP:CREATIVE. Cheers! Safari Scribe 16:03, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Take a look

Hello Safari, if possible anytime you are free you can take a look at this Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nisar Safdar Khan Jadoon. I feel the editor there ain’t understanding my point or politicians are now then suitable for just being elected to a post without WP:GNG. This could be use to judge other politicians and make WP:GNG underrated in that category of politician aspect. Gabriel (……?) 10:39, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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