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Thanks Gog! The article should be in good shape. Parsecboy (talk) 23:16, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Thank you today for the article, introduced (in 2019): "This is another entry in the series of articles on German battleships - I wrote the article originally in 2010 and then rewrote it with new sources last year"! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:17, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Gerda! Parsecboy (talk) 09:39, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi Parsec, I noticed that you've reviewed an automobile FAC before and I'm wondering if you could possibly leave your comments on this FAC about the Aston Martin DB9? (This is my first nomination). The source and image review have both been passed, so I think that, because this is my first, it will need quite a lot of supports. Thanks and best, and don't feel obliged to,  750h+ | Talk  14:00, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, sure, I'll find some time to take a look at the article. Parsecboy (talk) 12:00, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Parsecboy, thanks for the comments, i've addressed those ones. Thanks and best,  750h+ | Talk  05:07, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Parsecboy:, sorry for the bug, but note that the nomination has four supports! I’ve responded to your concerns, thoughts?  750h+ | Talk  16:49, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I would appreciate any positive or negative feedback at Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/CSS General Earl Van Dorn. I've taken an ironclad and a tinclad to ACR and FAC and am hoping to get a cottonclad through next. Hog Farm _Talk 02:35, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Hog Farm - sure, I'll try to take a look later today. Parsecboy (talk) 10:50, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Your Military History Newsletter Project news: From the editors; awards and honours; contest results Articles: Last month's new featured and A-class content Book review: Hawkeye7 looks at two works on logistics and one on the Battle of Arnhem

I have nominated Pre-dreadnought battleship for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" in regards to the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Hog Farm _Talk 22:58, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the note, I'll try to lend a hand where I can. Parsecboy (talk) 16:57, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think I can handle most of this, except for the German stuff. It would be great if you could use a better source than Lenton for them. I'll be working sporadically one this so don't be afraid to dive in if you actually got free time!--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 17:10, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I should have no problem with that. As busy as I've been at work lately, I wouldn't expect immediate work from me ;) Parsecboy (talk) 00:03, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ain't nothing urgent about it. I'm just waiting on the acceptance of my bid by the seller on a new house myself. That's gonna suck up huge amounts of time once I close.

Good luck on the new house! Parsecboy (talk) 14:08, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! Your good wishes made the difference. House inspection in a week and then closing in a month with all repair costs coming off the top.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 21:08, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Glad to hear it, though I don't envy you the task of having to move. We've been in our house for 13 years, and I dread the idea of ever having to pack up and move. Parsecboy (talk) 22:09, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the reversion, but DANFS is not necessarily determinative or dispositive, as I and other naval researchers have discovered. And unfortunately, the NHHC no longer has the staff or resources to make corrections (although several of us have volunteered). Mindoro III (CVE-120) was one of the Commencement Bay class of escort carriers - the Navy initially named them after bodies of water, then began naming them for significant WW II battles or invasion sites. In contrast, Mindoro I (1899 gunboat) and her PG/PR sisters were named after America's newest Pacific island possessions (e.g., Luzon, Guam, Wake, Oahu, and probably the most famous, Panay). Most notably, there were no other Commencement Bay carriers named after the lost gunboats, hence my attempt to correct the Wiki page. Drwong64 (talk) 01:40, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, I am well aware that DANFS has issues - I've raised a few of them myself over the years to NHHC to have the corrected. My point was more that there is no source provided, but that DANFS, which is cited, doesn't support the change. Parsecboy (talk) 14:07, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm glad to find another DANFS reader who has run into NHHC's bureaucratic brick wall. Can you revise the reference to cite to the ship's commissioning book then? http://mindoro.atspace.com/page10.htm.

DANFS is similarly inaccurate regarding the naming of Rendova (CVE-114), citing the island itself rather than the landings that took place there in the summer of '43. Thankfully nobody has reposted DANFS's inaccuracy in her Wiki page!  :-)

P.S. Speaking of the Leyte operation, will you be watching the USNI's Leyte commemoration on the 11th? Drwong64 (talk) 15:32, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you look at the older, printed copies of DANFS, you can see how the error crept into the online version (I have a set of the '76 edition, but you can see it here in the '59 edition as well). Clearly, when it was digitized, the namesake of the first two vessels was simply copied into the third.

I don't love using the commissioning book, since it's self-published and has no publication information (though that's not to say I doubt its accuracy, it just doesn't meet Wiki's sourcing standards). I trawled through Google Books and came up empty-handed there. We might have to just omit the mention of a namesake in the absence of a better source.

I've been following Pocklington's Youtube channel for some time now (amusingly, he started it by running Wiki articles that I and others had written through a voice generator), and had seen his announcement for the panel discussion. It looks like it'll be interesting, but I'll have to watch after the fact. Parsecboy (talk) 12:21, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Drwong64: - I emailed the NHHC when we discussed this on the off chance that they'd get back to me, and as luck would have it, they did! They updated the DANFS page this morning, and I've fixed our article as well. Parsecboy (talk) 15:39, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hallelujah! That's fantastic news - thanks for following up on this! On a related note, do you want add the cruise book under the "External Links" heading (since it's not authoritative enough to be listed as a "Reference")? Drwong64 (talk) 17:41, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's a good idea - it's still a useful reference for interested readers. Parsecboy (talk) 12:24, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Thank you today for SMS Helgoland (1909) introduced (in 2010): "Helgoland was a German battleship built before World War I, the ship saw extensive service throughout the war and played a central role in the Wilhelmshaven mutiny. This article is comprehensive; it includes information from a widely known (at least in the field) diary of a sailor from the ship as well as the recently published book (Feb. 2010) by Gary Staff."! -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:03, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Gerda! Parsecboy (talk) 11:59, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My story today features a pic I took from my position in the choir, I can also offer varied delightful music, some from Venice, also with pics I took, - note the rose in the clarinet ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:18, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My older daughter had her instrument fitting last week - she tried the clarinet, but didn't like it as much as the trumpet, which is what she settled on. Though I imagine it will be some time before she produces any sounds that could be classified as delightful, haha! Parsecboy (talk) 16:18, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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		On behalf of the Military History Project, I am proud to present the The Milhist reviewing award (1 stripe) for participating in 1 review between July and September 2024. Hawkeye7 (talk) via MilHistBot (talk) 00:30, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply] Keep track of upcoming reviews. Just copy and paste {{WPMILHIST Review alerts}} to your user space

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article SMS Wespe (1876) you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by ChristieBot, on behalf of Pickersgill-Cunliffe -- Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 10:23, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The article SMS Wespe (1876) you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:SMS Wespe (1876) for comments about the article, and Talk:SMS Wespe (1876)/GA1 for the nomination. Well done! If the article is eligible to appear in the "Did you know" section of the Main Page, you can nominate it within the next seven days. Message delivered by ChristieBot, on behalf of Pickersgill-Cunliffe -- Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 17:03, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, you have listed this for TFA at pending for November. I have tentatively reserved a date for it, but if you would still like it be considered you will need to nominate it at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/requests, which is now open. Cheers. Gog the Mild (talk) 19:56, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Gog, thanks, I'll do that (but I haven't nominated something there, so I'll have to see if I can remember!) Parsecboy (talk) 19:59, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My mistake, it was PM. I'll ping them too. Gog the Mild (talk) 20:01, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Alright - took me a minute to write up a blurb, but it's been posted. Thanks! Parsecboy (talk) 20:34, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Is there a way to say " The Prinz Adalbert class was an improvement of the earlier armored cruiser Prinz Heinrich, but with improved armament and armor." a little more tightly? Would ' The Prinz Adalbert class was based on the earlier armored cruiser Prinz Heinrich, but with improved armament and armor.' work for you and the sources? Gog the Mild (talk) 21:05, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Works for me - and looking at that sentence with fresh eyes, it's apparently one I rewrote one times too many! Parsecboy (talk) 22:27, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I see you've made 150 edits (over 82 percent) to that ironclad warship article we disagreed about, including the first and last. Been through a lot over the last four and a half years, too, getting it to and maintaining it at GA status. Not only do I think this makes you a reasonably unbeatable opponent, but possibly an unbeatable proponent and just the sort to teach modern English readers what a barbette ship's even all about, once and for all. If not, fine. Just think about it. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:13, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's been on the back burner for a long while now - I wrote a fairly significant chunk of the barbette article (shockingly, it's been a decade since then), and we could probably spin off some of that content to start a fairly basic article (like central battery ship). I'm in the middle of another project right now, but it might be time to move barbette ship up on the priority list. Parsecboy (talk) 14:17, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And now we have a blue link. It's just what was in the barbette article, which has been summarized, but it's a start at the very least. Parsecboy (talk) 23:58, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello Parsecboy,

My name is Mr. Petersen, and I am new to Wikipedia editing. I'm a big fan of Prinz Eugen and the head chairman of the Prinz Eugen Association.

I recently added information to the Prinz Eugen page and related pages based on materials I have, including a book by Fritz-Otto Busch and various collector items. I noticed you reverted most of the edits, and I’d like to discuss how we can collaborate to ensure the page remains accurate. Much of my information is from sources that are not part of mainstream media but are still credible.

With kind regards,

Mr. Petersen Mr. Petersen (talk) 14:18, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Mr. Petersen. The issue is, we have to write articles based on WP:Reliable sources, so whatever sources you want to include would have to meet the requirements there. Generally, they'd have to be published by a reputable publisher (in other words, not by a vanity press or self-published). Busch's book is cited in the article already - what other sources do you have? Parsecboy (talk) 14:50, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Parsecboy,

Thank you very much for your thoughtful reply. I appreciate your guidance and I understand. I’ll take some time to gather the additional materials and sources that I have, and I’ll return to you once I have everything ready. I hope that is okay. I look forward to working together to improve the article. Given that Busch's book is already cited in the article, I was wondering why the information about Prinz Eugen being a flagship isn't included, even though Busch clearly states it. Would it be possible to add this specific detail from the book to provide more accuracy to the article?

With kind regards,

Mr. Petersen Mr. Petersen (talk) 15:05, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't have Busch's book on Prinz Eugen - do you have the specific page number? Parsecboy (talk) 16:26, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Warning: much text:

Busch´s book: page 149 chapter 12, sentence:

“In pursuance of this policy the heavy cruisers Prinz Eugen and Admiral Scheer also received orders and on February 20th, 1942, only seven days after the break-through of the channel, the flotilla left Brunsbüttelkoog for Norway, with Prinz Eugen as flagship with an Admiral, the Commander-in-Chief of battleships, on board”.

While his name is not directly mentioned in the chapter, there's enough written evidence to suggest that the on board Admiral, was Vice-Admiral Ciliax, as they describe his actions and command during the Channel Dash, which Ciliax was in command of.

On page 187 chapter 15, sentence (About Vice-Admiral Thiele):

“The deteriorating situation on all fronts, which worsen steadily month by month, made it seem likely that the vessels in the Admiral's command - Prinz Eugen, Admiral Scheer, Lützow, Schleswig-Holstein, Nürnberg, Leipzig, Köln, Emden, Hansa and, from Autumn 1944, the Admiral Hipper, too - would have to take a hand in the war at sea. The Prinz Eugen was named as flagship should this be so, a fact which gave a great boost to the morale of the ship's company”

Further down the same page

“On the evening of August 18th came the order that the ship should be ready to put to sea at 0700 hours on the 19th. Escorted by five torpedo-boats, the Prinz Eugen sailed with the Vice-Admiral´s flag flying from the foretop.”

Same chapter further ahead on page 193:

“On the morning of October 10th the Prinz Eugen, flying the flag of Vice-Admiral Thiele, the Lützow, three destroyers and four big torpedo-boats put to sea. The group was already known as “Battle Group Thiele”, a name which in the final months of the war achieved some renown.”

On page 199 chapter 16 (just after the collision with Leipzig):

“His arguments were convincing, and every member of the conference realized how terribly important it was that this cruiser, the flagship, should be quickly restored to readiness for action”

On page 210 chapter 18:

“From March 10th-22th the battle group was led by Vice-Admiral Rogge, Vice-Admiral Thiele having taken over another group with the Lützow.”

From there on out, it's implied that Prinz Eugen either kept her flagship status all the way to the surrender in Copenhagen or lost the title just prior to entering Copenhagen.

These are all the places in Busch´s book that more directly talks about Prinz Eugen as a flagship. Mr. Petersen (talk) 18:17, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I added a mention of being Thiel's flagship, but I'd like to have confirmation that she continued on as Rogge's as well. At some point, I'll get around to incorporating Hildebrand et. al.'s Die Deutschen Kriegsschiffe, and they generally do a good job of tracking command and flagship changes (and Prinz Eugen was a significant ship, so their chapter should be fairly detailed). I'm in the middle of a series of German gunboats (for example SMS Wolf (1878), the current project), but perhaps I'll at least check for Rogge once I'm done there. Parsecboy (talk) 13:03, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi, you've moved Russian yacht Livadia (1880) to Russian yacht Livadia because "unnecessary dab". By that logic you need to move Russian yacht Livadia (1873) to Russian yacht Livadia too. Have fun. DuncanHill (talk) 12:59, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You know, you could have just pointed out the other article - your smartass attitude isn't strictly necessary. Perhaps someone should have created an index at at Russian yacht Livadia, which was a red link when I looked this morning. I guess that wasn't fun enough.

Sorry, I was trying to be lighthearted. Next time I'll just suggest you read the first sentence of an article before moving it. DuncanHill (talk) 16:18, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your move of an article to Russian corvette Vityaz is incorrect. There was another corvette named Vityaz launched in 1884. Please move the article back to its correct title. Mjroots (talk) 11:11, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That someone may someday create that article is no reason to disambiguate the one we have now. Preemptive disambiguation causes problems when people forget to create a redirect or index at the base name (which is what happened in this case and the one above - and if there is only one article currently, it causes a disservice to readers who land on the index first, and then have to click to reach the only actual piece of content we have). If we eventually have an article on that ship, we can cross that bridge when we get to it (and there's an argument that only 2 articles don't require an index - compare SMS Moltke and SMS Moltke (1877); the former is the primary topic, and disambiguation can be resolved by hatnotes). Parsecboy (talk) 12:06, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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It was originally on Commons (and apparently since deleted) - hence why it has "local" in the file name. Parsecboy (talk) 19:04, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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BGerdemann (WMF) (talk) 00:18, 13 November 2024 (UTC) [reply]

Hi, maybe noteworthy to add a footnote on Paschen? Paschen was executed by the Nazis on grounds of defeatism. Cheers MisterBee1966 (talk) 14:59, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hey MB, good to hear from you! I think it's probably beyond the scope of the Lützow article, but I wonder if Paschen is notable enough for his own article. It seems he developed the German counterpart to the dumaresq, and wrote a significant German account of Jutland, so while he doesn't appear to have reached flag rank, he may still be notable. Parsecboy (talk) 15:38, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

He has a German article, see de:Günther Paschen. I saw a documentary on him. Cheers MisterBee1966 (talk) 08:30, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting - I have very long range plans to tackle more German naval officers (I've only done a handful so far, and it'd require tracking down a set of Hildebrand's Deutschlands Admirale) and that would be a good one to add to the list. Parsecboy (talk) 13:01, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Thank you today for SMS Friedrich Carl another German armored cruiser built in the early 1900s that was mined and sunk in the early months of World War I, though most of the crew was evacuated by other ships. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:56, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Gerda! Parsecboy (talk) 11:57, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]