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Miscellany for deletion (MfD) is a place where Wikipedians decide what should be done with problematic pages in the namespaces which aren't covered by other specialized deletion discussion areas. Items sent here are usually discussed for seven days; then they are either deleted by an administrator or kept, based on community consensus as evident from the discussion, consistent with policy, and with careful judgment of the rough consensus if required.

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Information on the process

What may be nominated for deletion here:

Pages not covered by other XFD venues, including pages in these namespaces: Draft:, Help:, Portal:, MediaWiki:, Wikipedia: (including WikiProjects), User:, TimedText:, MOS: (in the unlikely event it ever contains a page that is not a redirect or one of the 5 disambiguation pages) and the various Talk: namespaces
Userboxes, regardless of the namespace
Any other page, that is not in article space, where there is dispute as to the correct XfD venue.

Requests to undelete pages deleted after discussion here, and debate whether discussions here have been properly closed, both take place at Wikipedia:Deletion review, in accordance with Wikipedia's undeletion policy.

Before nominating a page for deletion

Before nominating a page for deletion, please consider these guidelines:

Deleting pages in your own userspace	If you want to have your own userpage or a draft you created deleted, there is no need to list it here; simply tag it with {{db-userreq}} or {{db-u1}}. If you wish to clear your user talk page or sandbox, just blank it.
Duplications in draftspace?	Duplications in draftspace are usually satisfactorily fixed by redirection. If the material is in mainspace, redirect the draft to the article, or a section of the article. If multiple draft pages on the same topic have been created, tag them for merging. See WP:SRE.
Deleting pages in other people's userspace	Consider explaining your concerns on the user's talk page with a personal note or by adding `{{subst:Uw-userpage}} ~~~~` to their talk page. This step assumes good faith and civility; often the user is simply unaware of the guidelines, and the page can either be fixed or speedily deleted using {{db-userreq}}. Take care not to bite newcomers – sometimes using the {{subst:welcome}} or {{subst:welcomeg}} template and a pointer to WP:UP would be best first. Problematic userspace material is often addressed by the User pages guidelines including in some cases removal by any user or tagging to clarify the content or to prevent external search engine indexing. (Examples include copies of old, deleted, or disputed material, problematic drafts, promotional material, offensive material, inappropriate links, 'spoofing' of the MediaWiki interface, disruptive HTML, invitations or advocacy of disruption, certain kinds of images and image galleries, etc) If your concern relates to these areas consider these approaches as well, or instead of, deletion. User pages about Wikipedia-related matters by established users usually do not qualify for deletion. Articles that were recently deleted at AfD and then moved to userspace are generally not deleted unless they have lingered in userspace for an extended period of time without improvement to address the concerns that resulted in their deletion at AfD, or their content otherwise violates a global content policy such as our policies on Biographies of living persons that applies to any namespace.
Policies, guidelines and process pages	Established pages and their sub-pages should not be nominated, as such nominations will probably be considered disruptive, and the ensuing discussions closed early. This is not a forum for modifying or revoking policy. Instead consider tagging the policy as {{historical}} or redirecting it somewhere. Proposals still under discussion generally should not be nominated. If you oppose a proposal, discuss it on the policy page's discussion page. Consider being bold and improving the proposal. Modify the proposal so that it gains consensus. Also note that even if a policy fails to gain consensus, it is often useful to retain it as a historical record, for the benefit of future editors.
WikiProjects and their subpages	It is generally preferable that inactive WikiProjects not be deleted, but instead be marked as {{WikiProject status\|inactive}}, redirected to a relevant WikiProject, or changed to a task force of a parent WikiProject, unless the WikiProject was incompletely created or is entirely undesirable. WikiProjects that were never very active and which do not have substantial historical discussions (meaning multiple discussions over an extended period of time) on the project talk page should not be tagged as {{historical}}; reserve this tag for historically active projects that have, over time, been replaced by other processes or that contain substantial discussion (as defined above) of the organization of a significant area of Wikipedia. Before deletion of an inactive project with a founder or other formerly active members who are active elsewhere on Wikipedia, consider userfication. Notify the main WikiProject talk page when nominating any WikiProject subpage, in addition to standard notification of the page creator.
Alternatives to deletion	Normal editing that doesn't require the use of any administrator tools, such as merging the page into another page or renaming it, can often resolve problems. Pages in the wrong namespace (e.g. an article in Wikipedia namespace), can simply be moved and then tag the redirect for speedy deletion using {{db-g6\|rationale= it's a redirect left after a cross-namespace move}}. Notify the author of the original article of the cross-namespace move.
Alternatives to MfD	Speedy deletion If the page clearly satisfies a "general" or "user" speedy deletion criterion, tag it with the appropriate template. Be sure to read the entire criterion, as some do not apply in the user space.

Please familiarize yourself with the following policies

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How to list pages for deletion

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Please check the aforementioned list of deletion discussion areas to check that you are in the right area. Then follow these instructions:

Instructions on listing pages for deletion:

To list a page for deletion, follow this three-step process: (replace PageName with the name of the page, including its namespace, to be deleted)

Note: Users must be logged in to complete step II. An unregistered user who wishes to nominate a page for deletion should complete step I and post their reasoning on Wikipedia talk:Miscellany for deletion with a notification to a registered user to complete the process.

Edit PageName:

Enter the following text at the top of the page you are listing for deletion:

{{mfd|1={{subst:FULLPAGENAME}}}}
for a second or subsequent nomination use {{mfdx|2nd}}

{{mfd|GroupName}}
if nominating several similar related pages in an umbrella nomination. Choose a suitable name as GroupName and use it on each page.

If the nomination is for a userbox or similarly transcluded page, use {{subst:mfd-inline}} so as to not mess up the formatting for the userbox.

Use {{subst:mfd-inline|GroupName}} for a group nomination of several related userboxes or similarly transcluded pages.

Please include in the edit summary the phrase
Added MfD nomination at [[Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/PageName]]
replace PageName with the name of the page that is up for deletion.
Please don't mark your edit summary as a minor edit.
Check the "Watch this page" box if you would like to follow the page in your watchlist. This may help you to notice if your MfD tag is removed by someone.
Save the page

II.

Create its MfD subpage.

The resulting MfD box at the top of the page should contain the link "this page's entry"

Click that link to open the page's deletion discussion page.
Insert this text:

{{subst:mfd2| pg={{subst:#titleparts:{{subst:PAGENAME}}||2}}| text=Reason why the page should be deleted}} ~~~~
replacing Reason... with your reasons why the page should be deleted and sign the page. Do not substitute the pagename, as this will occur automatically.

Consider checking "Watch this page" to follow the progress of the debate.
Please use an edit summary such as Creating deletion discussion page for [[PageName]]
replacing PageName with the name of the page you are proposing for deletion.
If appropriate, inform members of the most relevant WikiProjects through one or more "deletion sorting lists". Then add a {{subst:delsort|<topic>|<signature>}} template to the nomination, to insert a note that this has been done.
Save the page.

III.

Add a line to MfD.

Follow this edit link and at the top of the list add a line:

{{subst:mfd3| pg=PageName}}
Put the page's name in place of "PageName".

Include the discussion page's name in your edit summary like
Added [[Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/PageName]]
replacing PageName with the name of the page you are proposing for deletion.
Save the page.
If nominating a page that has been nominated before, use the page's name in place of "PageName" and add

{{priorxfd|PageName}}
in the nominated page deletion discussion area to link to the previous discussions and then save the page using an edit summary such as
Added [[Template:priorxfd]] to link to prior discussions.

If nominating a page from someone else's userspace, notify them on their main talk page.
For other pages, while not required, it is generally considered civil to notify the good-faith creator and any main contributors of the miscellany that you are nominating. To find the main contributors, look in the page history or talk page of the page and/or use TDS' Article Contribution Counter or Wikipedia Page History Statistics. For your convenience, you may add
{{subst:mfd notice|PageName}} ~~~~
to their talk page in the "edit source" section, replacing PageName with the pagename. Please use an edit summary such as
Notice of deletion discussion at [[Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/PageName]]
replacing PageName with the name of the nomination page you are proposing for deletion.
If the user has not edited in a while, consider sending the user an email to notify them about the MfD if the MfD concerns their user pages.
If you are nominating a WikiProject, please post a notice at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Council, in addition to the project's talk page and the talk pages of the founder and active members.

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Archived discussions

A list of archived discussions can be located at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Archived debates.

Current discussions

Pages currently being considered for deletion are indexed by the day on which they were first listed. Please place new listings at the top of the section for the current day. If no section for the current day is present, please start a new section.

November 17, 2024

User:TheRealJackMarshall

MfD1=WP:Miscellany for deletion/User:TheRealJackMarshall

This (and the user's sandbox) have been at MfD before (nominated by User:Bgsu98), but the user blanked both pages, and thus (?) the discussion ended in "Keep". It's pretty obvious though, what they're doing--play the imaginary game, and then blank it, but the thing still remains in the history for instant recall. Let's remove it please. Drmies (talk) 01:55, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Absolutely should be deleted for real this time. Should also consider deleting User:TheRealJackMarshall/sandbox to wipe the history. Bgsu98 (Talk) 01:59, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. In MfD1 we gave the user a generous assumption of good faith. Consider WP:BLOCKing for disruption. SmokeyJoe (talk) 02:24, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep after user page update to fit Wikipedia rules, showing significant non-userpage contributions to Wikipedia. Delete it if you want, but at this point this kind of surveillance on a page kept blank 99% of the time feels targeted and unnecessary. I have tried to move all this data to Wikia/FANDOM pages, but the features on such websites are lacking visually compared to Wikipedia. Me using this Wikipedia page temporarily to capture the visual I need and then instantly deleting it is not a disruption of the peace on Wikipedia, nor is it meant to be a disrespect to the rules. But if you want to delete it for your own peace of mind, delete it. TheRealJackMarshall (talk) 02:47, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You’ve got some mainspace article contributions, but you are mostly here doing userspace edits. This makes it look like you are only here to use userspace as a free webhost. While the cost of that is pretty small, it is irritating to a lot of Wikipedians.

Most of your arguable WP:WEBHOSTing is to your main Userpage, which is supposed to be where you introduce yourself as a Wikipedian. WEBHOSTing on this page is particularly offensive. SmokeyJoe (talk) 09:35, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: originally recommended delete, after updating user page changed my mind and now encouraging moderators to keep my page. Edited my original statement to include the first sentence. All else was left the same. TheRealJackMarshall (talk) 23:12, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I would agree to this only if an administrator suppresses the edit history prior to this latest update. Bgsu98 (Talk) 23:20, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That is fine with me. TheRealJackMarshall (talk) 23:25, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

November 16, 2024

Draft:Doctor Who series 17

Unnecessary boilerplate content that's getting farther ahead of the show than even the show's own cast and crew are.
As of today, season 15 hasn't even premiered yet, so we don't already need placeholder drafts about future seasons that might possibly never happen at all if the show gets cancelled. And as of right now, the current Doctor is #15, with absolutely no announcement having been made that Ncuti's leaving the show, so there isn't going to be a 16th or 17th Doctor anytime soon either — when 16th and 17th Doctors are actually announced, creating new articles about them will not be difficult enough that we would need placeholder drafts to already exist this far ahead of any verifiable casting announcements.
I know Doctor Who's internal universe is all timey-wimey and stuff, but Wikipedia operates on a real-world schedule, not a "flying around in a tardis" schedule. Obviously articles can be created when we have actual, sourceable information to add to them, but we don't need virtually empty scaffolds to exist this far in advance of the real world. Bearcat (talk) 18:52, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Very unnecessary creations that aren't needed this early on, especially when the existence of these subjects are not officially confirmed yet. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 22:24, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak delete per nom, but preferably invite WP:WikiProject Doctor Who to take ownership of things like this as WikiProject subpages, subject to WikiProject consensus. SmokeyJoe (talk) 22:36, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

November 15, 2024

Draft:Castianeira: Part Three: Castianeira's Role

Draft space is not suitable for user-submitted fictional stories Ifly6 (talk) 00:55, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The draft has not been rejected, only declined. SmokeyJoe (talk) 07:51, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Noam Cohen

We don't typically keep biographical articles or bibliographies in WP space, and I don't believe it's appropriate to have here. However, it's existed for so long at this location, I thought it best to nominate it instead of boldly moving it to user space, which is my preference at this point in time. Hey man im josh (talk) 03:17, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for finding this, Keep, and why not just mainspace it? as a list in his Wikipedia page (Noam Cohen). A treasure trove of articles on Wikipedia from the later 2000's on. Probably enough critical historical information here to keep as is, mainspace, or at least leave it in Wikipedia space as an exception to some rule or other. Should list and link it prominently on the Wikipedia in the news page etc. This one is worth digging around in. Randy Kryn (talk) 04:47, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Randy Kryn: There's an article in main space at Noam Cohen. Hey man im josh (talk) 05:26, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Can't this list be added to his page bibliography? They are examples of his articles on one subject, and fill out his bibliography well. Randy Kryn (talk) 12:53, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That would be my preference, yes @Randy Kryn. I'm not a fan of the idea of author specific bibliographies about Wikipedia in WP space. It seems like a way to get around what we'd normally have regarding notability guidelines. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:40, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think mainspace biographies tend to include bibliographies individual articles, which are a lot less significant than e.g. books. WP:INDISCRIMINATE. Sdkb  19:48, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Userify if anything, I think this is too navel-gazey for the main namespace, but it should absolutely be kept in some form. Graham87 (talk) 05:48, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Graham87, the concept of pages about Wikipedia being navel-gazing seems a bit outdated since Wikipedia is notable as the world's largest and most read encyclopedic source. Randy Kryn (talk) 12:53, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The concept of individual bibliographies about Wikipedia by author in Wiki space definitely fits the bill of navel-gazing from my perspective, regardless of the size of the site. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:39, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed. Graham87 (talk) 14:43, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
keep - Project space is, by definition, navel-gazing. We have a thousand essays, joke pages, satire, historical discussions, and IIRC even a few We have a handful of journalists that frequently cover Wikipedia and typically do it well. Cohen's articles about Wikipedia are rare examples of someone actually getting the community's point of view right. As such (especially back when he was more active on the subject), his articles come up in discussion, referenced by Wikipedians. So someone compiled them in one place. Seems mildly useful, but more importantly I'm having trouble finding a deletion rationale here. I don't have an objection if someone wants to merge the three "beat reporters" pages together, but also don't see that as a big gain. — Rhododendrites \\ 13:08, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The rationale is clear, WP space is not for bios / bibliographies. The examples you mention of similar content in this space (2 other pages) were also created by the same author of this article. So someone compiled them in one place. – Wikipedia is not a web host. It's either relevant enough to have a list of article in main space, or relevant enough for a bibliography section of a journalist's article.

There needs to be a line between article and WP space. We don't just dump anything tangibly related to Wikipedia in its own page in WP space and WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is a bad argument to support that. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:37, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's not a bio, but it is a bibliography. Where is the policy about no bibliographies you're referring to? Presumably we should also get rid of other bibliographies, then, like Wikipedia:List of academic studies about Wikipedia, Wikipedia:Wikipedia in the media, Wikipedia:Wikipedia in blogs, Wikipedia:Wikipedia in books, Wikipedia:Wikipedia in cartoons, etc., not to mention the hundreds of bibliographies produced by wikiprojects. I do not think projectspace is as pure in purpose and as inflexible as your characterizing here, per what I said above. — Rhododendrites \\ 14:58, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

keep Let's make a new rule that whenever any journalist or researcher publishes at least 10 articles where Wikipedia is the subject, and they do so in a top-tier venue like The New York Times or Slate, then Wikipedia: becomes a place to present their bibliographies. I have made no attempt to present biographies here, and only intended to list some of the best Wikipedia commentary which exists.

I am the creator. This is good information to index to publicly, rather than in userspace. The problem, if there is one, is that the Wikipedia: space does not have an existing format for cataloging it. Tag this as an essay or whatever works, because this content is comparable and at least as valuable as typical Wikipedia user essays. I also made Category:Wikipedia beat reporters and the other two article collections there. I would make more but unlike media platforms of similar popularity and impact, Wikipedia only attracts a journalist's attention every few years. This is the complete collection of top-tier Wikipedia beat reporters. Bluerasberry (talk) 14:49, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And a fine collection it is, thanks Bluerasberry, I wasn't aware of the pages before this discussion. Another option (but may not be needed if the Keep comments continue), combine all three articles into one 'Press coverage of Wikipedia' page or something similarly named, either in mainspace or Wikipedia space. Randy Kryn (talk) 14:53, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Randy Kryn: Right, we already have press coverage by time at Category:Wikipedia press coverage and for example Wikipedia:Press coverage 2024. These three pages I set up are the only indexing of press coverage by author. Bluerasberry (talk) 14:56, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A very fine collection.

I don’t agree with the recommendation to combine, as a multitude of such project pages should be easier to manage. SmokeyJoe (talk) 11:01, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep largely for the same reasons as Rhododentrites. According to our Wikipedia:Namespace information page, Wikipedia (and Wikipedia talk) namespace, Contains many types of pages connected with the Wikipedia project itself: information, policies, guidelines, essays, processes, discussion, etc. This clearly is a page connected with the Wikipedia project itself and is, as noted by Rhododendrites, a bibliography which would not be well suited to other namespaces, except perhaps User, but there is no reason it must be there and indeed benefits by having it be colloborative to having it be in Wikipedia namespace. I will disclose that I have served as a background source for Cohen which is how the page was on my watchlist. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 16:06, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Rename or Keep - The subject of the page in question is not really Noam Cohen, who is the subject of the mainspace article. The subject of the page in question is Noam Cohen's articles about Wikipedia, and that list of articles should be kept in project space, either as WP:Noam Cohen, where it is, or as Noam Cohen articles about Wikipedia. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:20, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The rename feels reasonable and while consensus to do so can come from this process doesn't rely on it, and so I hope it just gets done if this is kept. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 17:29, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that a rename seems more appropriate since this does appear on track to be kept. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:22, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per above. Sdkb  19:48, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. It is not a biography, but a collection of articles about Wikipedia. That makes it an important essay. Maybe it would be better renamed WP:Noam Cohen on Wikipedia. SmokeyJoe (talk) 07:57, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Do not Userfy. It belongs in Projectspace. SmokeyJoe (talk) 07:59, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per SmokeyJoe. Kolano123 (talk) 14:35, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's fine if you think it's worth keeping, but this is not an essay, it's a bibliography. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:20, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It’s an essay, about Wikipedia, specifically on its coverage by one journalist. It may be fairly extreme in the ratio of sources to content, but that doesn’t stop it being an essay. A bibliography does not stop a piece of prose from being an essay.

I maintain that it is not a biography.

It would be nice for someone to expand the essay flesh out some meaning. The listed articles contain a lot of incidental commentary on Wikipedia and its editors. It is interesting, for projectspace, where Wikipedia self-reflection should be done. SmokeyJoe (talk) 10:58, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep; rename to something like Wikipedia: List of Wikipedia-related articles by Noam Cohen. Newyorkbrad (talk) 21:24, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support this rename. SmokeyJoe (talk) 22:37, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

November 13, 2024

Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Islamic Fighting Championship
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page. The result of the discussion was: Speedied. Blatant hoax (CSD G3). There are no Google hits at all nor any other evidence of existence; and this article and another obvious, now-deleted hoax are the creator's only contributions, which in the case of a suspected hoax, is always a very bad sign. Newyorkbrad (talk) 21:31, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply] Draft:Islamic Fighting Championship Draft:Islamic Fighting Championship (edit \| talk \| history \| links \| watch \| logs) – (View MfD) Similar case to User:LilBanana123/sandbox, which was deleted as WP:U5. Today, I tagged this for WP:G11 and U5 thinking that it met the criteria for deletion. This was contested. Please note that this was originally located at User:LilBanana123 hence U5. In my humble opinion, the article is extremely promotional and would need to be entirely rewritten to comply to our policies. The article looks like the dozens of other drafts that I tag for G11 that look like they were written in 10 seconds using ChatGPT or similar. I note that G11 says If a subject is notable and the content could plausibly be replaced with text written from a neutral point of view, this is preferable to deletion. I've explored this and I don't think that it's plausible. "Islamic Fighting Championship" has no hits on Google except one Facebook post. No hits on DuckDuckGo at all either. I would argue that Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not for things made up one day applies to draft space as well as article space. I actually believe this meets WP:G3 as a hoax due to the above. My best guess is that the 5 fighters described promotionally in the article are the article creator himself and 4 of his mates just having a laugh on Wikipedia. I see no reason for us to play web host to this silly spammy make believe nonsense for the next 6 months. Spiderone 23:08, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply] Delete - If I encountered this in AFC, in draft space, I would tag it for G11. I agree with the admin in declining the U5 because this does look like a draft and belongs in draft space, and U5 does not apply to draft space. I disagree with the decline of G11. I think that a less stringent standard of promotionality should be applied to drafts than to articles, because moderately promotional drafts can be declined or rejected, but this is not a moderately promotional draft, but, as the nominator says, an extremely promotional draft. Also, if the author hasn't taken the time to provide any low-quality sources, showing that they are not even trying for verifiability, that is further evidence that the purpose is promotion. Also, as the nominator says, it might be a hoax, and, at MFD, we don't need to distinguish between G3, almost-G3, G11, and almost-G11. Find the bit bucket. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:48, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply] I completely agree. I will say the only reason I tagged for U5 was because this was originally located in userspace but got moved after my deletion tag was applied. Spiderone 09:09, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply] Delete probably G3 eligible (maybe G11), but I could plausibly see that be less obvious so delete here. Skynxnex (talk) 15:01, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply] The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Islamic Fighting Championship

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was: Speedied. Blatant hoax (CSD G3). There are no Google hits at all nor any other evidence of existence; and this article and another obvious, now-deleted hoax are the creator's only contributions, which in the case of a suspected hoax, is always a very bad sign. Newyorkbrad (talk) 21:31, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:Islamic Fighting Championship

Similar case to User:LilBanana123/sandbox, which was deleted as WP:U5. Today, I tagged this for WP:G11 and U5 thinking that it met the criteria for deletion. This was contested. Please note that this was originally located at User:LilBanana123 hence U5.

In my humble opinion, the article is extremely promotional and would need to be entirely rewritten to comply to our policies. The article looks like the dozens of other drafts that I tag for G11 that look like they were written in 10 seconds using ChatGPT or similar. I note that G11 says If a subject is notable and the content could plausibly be replaced with text written from a neutral point of view, this is preferable to deletion. I've explored this and I don't think that it's plausible. "Islamic Fighting Championship" has no hits on Google except one Facebook post. No hits on DuckDuckGo at all either. I would argue that Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not for things made up one day applies to draft space as well as article space.

I actually believe this meets WP:G3 as a hoax due to the above. My best guess is that the 5 fighters described promotionally in the article are the article creator himself and 4 of his mates just having a laugh on Wikipedia. I see no reason for us to play web host to this silly spammy make believe nonsense for the next 6 months. Spiderone 23:08, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - If I encountered this in AFC, in draft space, I would tag it for G11. I agree with the admin in declining the U5 because this does look like a draft and belongs in draft space, and U5 does not apply to draft space. I disagree with the decline of G11. I think that a less stringent standard of promotionality should be applied to drafts than to articles, because moderately promotional drafts can be declined or rejected, but this is not a moderately promotional draft, but, as the nominator says, an extremely promotional draft. Also, if the author hasn't taken the time to provide any low-quality sources, showing that they are not even trying for verifiability, that is further evidence that the purpose is promotion. Also, as the nominator says, it might be a hoax, and, at MFD, we don't need to distinguish between G3, almost-G3, G11, and almost-G11. Find the bit bucket. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:48, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I completely agree. I will say the only reason I tagged for U5 was because this was originally located in userspace but got moved after my deletion tag was applied. Spiderone 09:09, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete probably G3 eligible (maybe G11), but I could plausibly see that be less obvious so delete here. Skynxnex (talk) 15:01, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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November 12, 2024

User talk:Jack 6502

Only edit is off-topic, and by a user blocked as "not here to build an encyclopedia". Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:15, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep or Speedy Keep 1 - Useless but harmless. Mere uselessness is not a reason to delete talk pages, and is not even a reason to redact or hat portions of talk pages. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:24, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Catfurball (talk) 23:27, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Just blank it and move on: it's not worth bringing to MfD. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 04:46, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. We don't delete user talkpages absent unusual circumstances. No objection to blanking the off-topic post. Newyorkbrad (talk) 21:33, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Old business

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November 2, 2024

Template:User Oppose VHP

(Time stamp for bot to properly relist.) JJP_{Mas_ter} (she/they) 02:26, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unused userbox that appears to violate WP:UBDIVISIVE. – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:57, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Keep - We have usually kept controversial political userboxes, as long as they did not advocate violence. This userbox does not advocate violence, but opposes an organization that is said to advocate violence. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:30, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I would say move the userbox to userspace (perhaps under User:UBX), but it is currently unused. Delete as unused and disputed (first choice) or userfy without redirect as disputed (second choice). House Blaster (talk • he/they) 03:02, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Wikipedia is not a political soapbox. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 06:19, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, JJP_{Mas_ter} (she/they) 02:26, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:User Oppose Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh

Unused userbox that appears to violate WP:UBDIVISIVE. – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:57, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Just as there are userboxes that support various political ideologies, having a userbox that expresses opposition to a specific ideology contributes to a balanced representation. It’s crucial that Wikipedia reflects a spectrum of viewpoints, especially on contentious topics. Secondly the existence of such userboxes is constructive, they allow individuals to express their views and engage with differing opinions, which aligns with Wikipedia’s goal of providing a platform for diverse perspectives. There are several instances where userboxes representing differing ideologies exist without being flagged for divisiveness. This suggests that our community values the representation of diverse viewpoints. If the support template exists for a organization like RSS which is often regarded as terrorist organization or far right extremist, and often blamed for assassination Mahatma Gandhi, there is a need of the template which is in opposition to the ideology of RSS and PFI. ZDX _{(User) |}_(Contact) 14:55, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep - We have usually kept controversial political userboxes, as long as they did not advocate violence. This userbox does not advocate violence, but opposes an ideology that is said to advocate violence. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:30, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I would say move the userbox to userspace (perhaps under User:UBX), but it is currently unused. Delete as unused and disputed (first choice) or userfy without redirect as disputed (second choice). House Blaster (talk • he/they) 03:02, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Wikipedia is not a political soapbox. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 06:20, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:User Oppose PFI

(Time stamp for bot to properly relist.) JJP_{Mas_ter} (she/they) 01:43, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unused userbox that appears to violate WP:UBDIVISIVE. – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:57, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Just as there are userboxes that support various political ideologies, having a userbox that expresses opposition to a specific ideology contributes to a balanced representation. It allow individuals to express their views and engage with differing opinions. There are several instances where userboxes representing differing ideologies exist without being flagged for divisiveness. ZDX _{(User) |}_(Contact) 15:01, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep - We have usually kept controversial political userboxes, as long as they did not advocate violence. This userbox does not advocate violence, but opposes an organization that is said to advocate violence. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:29, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I would say move the userbox to userspace (perhaps under User:UBX), but it is currently unused. Delete as unused and disputed (first choice) or userfy without redirect as disputed (second choice). House Blaster (talk • he/they) 03:01, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, JJP_{Mas_ter} (she/they) 01:43, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Wikipedia is not a political soapbox. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 05:16, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:User Ban PFI

Unused userbox that appears to violate WP:UBDIVISIVE. – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:57, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Keep - We have usually kept controversial political userboxes, as long as they did not advocate violence. This userbox does not advocate violence, but opposes an organization that is said to advocate violence. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:28, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I would say move the userbox to userspace (perhaps under User:UBX), but it is currently unused. Delete as unused and disputed (first choice) or userfy without redirect as disputed (second choice). House Blaster (talk • he/they) 03:01, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Wikipedia is not a political soapbox. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 05:16, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

November 1, 2024

Wikipedia:WikiProject Terrorism/Guantanamo/What to do with Afghan training camps?/Merge less well referenced articles to Afghan training camp... or to a new article...

I originally just redirected this but it was contested. Contextless Guantanamo related page, part of a project to make a lot of pages on a lot of Guantanamo prisoner BLPs (many of which are being slowly deleted as given our current rules they are non-notable) by an indef banned user that never went anywhere masquerading as a WikiProject page. Also, WP Terrorism is no longer a wikiproject so these are attached to a project that no longer exists. Marking it as historical is negative for that reason. I see no harm in letting it exist as a redirect so the page history is accessible but I do see issues with letting it remain attached to nothing.

Also nominating:

PARAKANYAA (talk) 23:59, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Question - I would like to know whether I understand. It appears that there was a WikiProject until 19 October 2024, and then it was moved to become a task force of WikiProject Crime and Criminal Biography. Wikipedia:WikiProject Terrorism/Guantanamo was a subpage of the project, and it had its own subpages. So the issue is what to do with the subpages of something that no longer exists. Is that correct? My own thinking is that marking them historical is exactly what should be done, to record the historical link to the renamed project. Is my reading of the history correct? If so, why shouldn't we record the strange history? Robert McClenon (talk) 01:23, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Robert McClenon What's the point of keeping project pages that have no project? I find they tend, even if marked defunct or historical, to attract random edits, vandalism, and people for asking for help on the wrong pages to get no response. Redirecting it stops that. PARAKANYAA (talk) 01:29, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Restore redirect because in all this time no substantive argument has been given against doing so. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 21:19, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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