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Miscellany for deletion (MfD) is a place where Wikipedians decide what should be done with problematic pages in the namespaces which aren't covered by other specialized deletion discussion areas. Items sent here are usually discussed for seven days; then they are either deleted by an administrator or kept, based on community consensus as evident from the discussion, consistent with policy, and with careful judgment of the rough consensus if required.
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Information on the process
What may be nominated for deletion here:
- Pages not covered by other XFD venues, including pages in these namespaces: Draft:, Help:, Portal:, MediaWiki:, Wikipedia: (including WikiProjects), User:, TimedText:, MOS: (in the unlikely event it ever contains a page that is not a redirect or one of the 5 disambiguation pages) and the various Talk: namespaces
- Userboxes, regardless of the namespace
- Any other page, that is not in article space, where there is dispute as to the correct XfD venue.
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Archived discussions
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Current discussions
- Pages currently being considered for deletion are indexed by the day on which they were first listed. Please place new listings at the top of the section for the current day. If no section for the current day is present, please start a new section.
November 15, 2024
We don't typically keep biographical articles or bibliographies in WP space, and I don't believe it's appropriate to have here. However, it's existed for so long at this location, I thought it best to nominate it instead of boldly moving it to user space, which is my preference at this point in time. Hey man im josh (talk) 03:17, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for finding this, Keep, and why not just mainspace it? as a list in his Wikipedia page (Noam Cohen). A treasure trove of articles on Wikipedia from the later 2000's on. Probably enough critical historical information here to keep as is, mainspace, or at least leave it in Wikipedia space as an exception to some rule or other. Should list and link it prominently on the Wikipedia in the news page etc. This one is worth digging around in. Randy Kryn (talk) 04:47, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Randy Kryn: There's an article in main space at Noam Cohen. Hey man im josh (talk) 05:26, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
- Userify if anything, I think this is too navel-gazey for the main namespace, but it should absolutely be kept in some form. Graham87 (talk) 05:48, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
November 13, 2024
Similar case to User:LilBanana123/sandbox, which was deleted as WP:U5. Today, I tagged this for WP:G11 and U5 thinking that it met the criteria for deletion. This was contested. Please note that this was originally located at User:LilBanana123 hence U5.
In my humble opinion, the article is extremely promotional and would need to be entirely rewritten to comply to our policies. The article looks like the dozens of other drafts that I tag for G11 that look like they were written in 10 seconds using ChatGPT or similar. I note that G11 says If a subject is notable and the content could plausibly be replaced with text written from a neutral point of view, this is preferable to deletion. I've explored this and I don't think that it's plausible. "Islamic Fighting Championship" has no hits on Google except one Facebook post. No hits on DuckDuckGo at all either. I would argue that Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not for things made up one day applies to draft space as well as article space.
I actually believe this meets WP:G3 as a hoax due to the above. My best guess is that the 5 fighters described promotionally in the article are the article creator himself and 4 of his mates just having a laugh on Wikipedia. I see no reason for us to play web host to this silly spammy make believe nonsense for the next 6 months. Spiderone 23:08, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - If I encountered this in AFC, in draft space, I would tag it for G11. I agree with the admin in declining the U5 because this does look like a draft and belongs in draft space, and U5 does not apply to draft space. I disagree with the decline of G11. I think that a less stringent standard of promotionality should be applied to drafts than to articles, because moderately promotional drafts can be declined or rejected, but this is not a moderately promotional draft, but, as the nominator says, an extremely promotional draft. Also, if the author hasn't taken the time to provide any low-quality sources, showing that they are not even trying for verifiability, that is further evidence that the purpose is promotion. Also, as the nominator says, it might be a hoax, and, at MFD, we don't need to distinguish between G3, almost-G3, G11, and almost-G11. Find the bit bucket. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:48, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
- I completely agree. I will say the only reason I tagged for U5 was because this was originally located in userspace but got moved after my deletion tag was applied. Spiderone 09:09, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete probably G3 eligible (maybe G11), but I could plausibly see that be less obvious so delete here. Skynxnex (talk) 15:01, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
November 12, 2024
Only edit is off-topic, and by a user blocked as "not here to build an encyclopedia". Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:15, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
- Keep or Speedy Keep 1 - Useless but harmless. Mere uselessness is not a reason to delete talk pages, and is not even a reason to redact or hat portions of talk pages. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:24, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Catfurball (talk) 23:27, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Just blank it and move on: it's not worth bringing to MfD. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 04:46, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
November 10, 2024
- Wikipedia:Today's featured article/January 1, 2025 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)
Don't have featured article badge. C-class article. Ampil 04:28, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete An article must be a Featured Article in order to be Today's Featured Article... ~ Matthewrb 04:43, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
- Question - Do I understand this correctly? Is this page queued to be placed on the main page on 1 January 2025? Does this mean that, when a bot determines that it is 1 January 2025 GMT, this page will be placed on the main page, making Gateway Mall (Quezon City) the featured article? As the nominator notes, that article has not had Featured Article review. It should be a B-Class article, but it shouldn't be better than B-Class without either Good Article Review or Featured Article Review. How did this pointer page get into the Featured Article queue? If I understand correctly, something has happened that should not have happened. Robert McClenon (talk) 05:23, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
- Question - Has a new editor discovered or invented a new species of beans to stuff up the nose of the English Wikipedia? Robert McClenon (talk) 05:28, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as an inappropriate experiment or test, by an editor who has also been blocked on Commons for out-of-scope editing. Robert McClenon (talk) 20:30, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Not a featured article. Schützenpanzer (Talk) 23:19, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - I have boldly changed the rating of Gateway Mall (Quezon City) to Class B. That changes nothing except the rating of the article. Beans come in various colors and flavors. Robert McClenon (talk) 23:12, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
November 8, 2024
Object shows probably fall under WP:BFDI TheWikipede (talk) 20:02, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- Weak Keep - The Dream Island essay explains why we do not have articles about animated battles on the Internet. This is a draft, and it was properly declined five months ago. There was no need to nominate it for deletion. If the nominator had waited a month, this draft would have died of old age. Now it will die of old age in May 2025. Rag picking to get rid of useless drafts is itself useless. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:56, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Agreed entirely with Robert McClenon, except that since we're here we might as well press the delete button rather than letting the page last longer out of spite. * Pppery * it has begun... 06:57, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
- Keep and leave to standard AfC processes that suffice. The draft was merely declined, which carries the implication that it could be improved to be made acceptable. It has not been tendentiously submitted. It does not violate any line item at WP:NOT. This should not have been brought to MfD, and MfD should not be used to curate the worst of the drafts. Busywork is bad and should not be encouraged. SmokeyJoe (talk) 22:14, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
November 7, 2024
- MediaWiki:Abusefilter-blocker (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)
- MediaWiki:Abusefilter-blockreason (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Abuse filter blocking is disabled on English Wikipedia. Thus this message is pointless. There is only one log entry attributed to User:Edit filter: Special:Log/Edit filter. Awesome Aasim 19:46, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete blockreason per nom. Unfortunately we have to keep blocker, since deleting it will just make things worse (change to fake admin account to User:Abuse filter rather than User:Edit filter, and require the crats to desysop the former, and otherwise cause more trouble than it's worth). * Pppery * it has begun... 17:00, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- Question - Can someone explain what the function or purpose of these two read-only files is, and what would be the effect of deleting them, and so why they should be deleted? Robert McClenon (talk) 17:51, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- MediaWiki:Abusefilter-blockreason is the edit summary that would be used for blocks by the abuse filter if we had abuse filters configured to block accounts. Since we don't have that configuration, haven't had it in years, and have no plans to enable it, it's a useless leftover and can be deleted. MediaWiki:Abusefilter-blocker is the username that would be used to carry out such blocks. Aasim thinks that it should be deleted for the same reason as my previous paragraph, and in an idea world I would agree. But unfortunately the AbuseFilter extension also forces that username to be an admin, even there are no blocks being issued and no technical reason it needs to be one. If we were to delete it, then it would revert to the upstream default of "Abuse filter", thereby causing that username to be an admin. A crat would then need to manually desysop "edit filter", and we would have caused a lot of churn and ended up in a much worse situation than we started in. * Pppery * it has begun... 18:40, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete blockreason and keep blocker per Pppery, without prejudice against renominating if T212268 is ever resolved. (Would putting a different user's name on blocker really make them a sysop instantly?) Extraordinary Writ (talk) 04:30, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
- Yes. And also make the account unable to be logged into, so the (mis)feature is harmless. Stewards have removed redundant admin rights created by this feature on non-English wikis dozens, probably hundreds of times. I used to think T212268 was a bad idea (at least on wikis that did have abusefilter blocks enabled), but I've become convinced over the years that practicality beats semantic purity here. * Pppery * it has begun... 06:18, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
September 22, 2024
Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject Aramea |
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The result of the discussion was: delete. ✗plicit 23:46, 29 September 2024 (UTC) WikiProject Aramea was created in 2015, and through viewing the edit history, has rarely seen any edits or discussion on creation or editing of articles since that time. Additionally, many of its formerly active members were sockpuppet accounts of users that have since been blocked indefinitely. The WikiProject itself is almost an exact carbon copy of WikiProject Assyria, with the same sections, graphics, and layout. I am proposing that the WikiProject be deleted as it essentially acts as a content fork, which is one of Wikipedia's criteria for deletion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Surayeproject3 (talk • contribs) 18:07, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
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November 2, 2024
Unused userbox that appears to violate WP:UBDIVISIVE. – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:57, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
- Weak Keep - We have usually kept controversial political userboxes, as long as they did not advocate violence. This userbox does not advocate violence, but opposes an organization that is said to advocate violence. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:30, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- I would say move the userbox to userspace (perhaps under User:UBX), but it is currently unused. Delete as unused and disputed (first choice) or userfy without redirect as disputed (second choice). HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 03:02, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Wikipedia is not a political soapbox. * Pppery * it has begun... 06:19, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, JJPMaster (she/they) 02:26, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
- Template:User Oppose Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)
Unused userbox that appears to violate WP:UBDIVISIVE. – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:57, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Just as there are userboxes that support various political ideologies, having a userbox that expresses opposition to a specific ideology contributes to a balanced representation. It’s crucial that Wikipedia reflects a spectrum of viewpoints, especially on contentious topics. Secondly the existence of such userboxes is constructive, they allow individuals to express their views and engage with differing opinions, which aligns with Wikipedia’s goal of providing a platform for diverse perspectives. There are several instances where userboxes representing differing ideologies exist without being flagged for divisiveness. This suggests that our community values the representation of diverse viewpoints. If the support template exists for a organization like RSS which is often regarded as terrorist organization or far right extremist, and often blamed for assassination Mahatma Gandhi, there is a need of the template which is in opposition to the ideology of RSS and PFI. ZDX (User) | (Contact) 14:55, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
- Weak Keep - We have usually kept controversial political userboxes, as long as they did not advocate violence. This userbox does not advocate violence, but opposes an ideology that is said to advocate violence. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:30, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- I would say move the userbox to userspace (perhaps under User:UBX), but it is currently unused. Delete as unused and disputed (first choice) or userfy without redirect as disputed (second choice). HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 03:02, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Wikipedia is not a political soapbox. * Pppery * it has begun... 06:20, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
Unused userbox that appears to violate WP:UBDIVISIVE. – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:57, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Just as there are userboxes that support various political ideologies, having a userbox that expresses opposition to a specific ideology contributes to a balanced representation. It allow individuals to express their views and engage with differing opinions. There are several instances where userboxes representing differing ideologies exist without being flagged for divisiveness. ZDX (User) | (Contact) 15:01, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
- Weak Keep - We have usually kept controversial political userboxes, as long as they did not advocate violence. This userbox does not advocate violence, but opposes an organization that is said to advocate violence. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:29, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- I would say move the userbox to userspace (perhaps under User:UBX), but it is currently unused. Delete as unused and disputed (first choice) or userfy without redirect as disputed (second choice). HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 03:01, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, JJPMaster (she/they) 01:43, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Wikipedia is not a political soapbox. * Pppery * it has begun... 05:16, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
Unused userbox that appears to violate WP:UBDIVISIVE. – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:57, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
- Weak Keep - We have usually kept controversial political userboxes, as long as they did not advocate violence. This userbox does not advocate violence, but opposes an organization that is said to advocate violence. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:28, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- I would say move the userbox to userspace (perhaps under User:UBX), but it is currently unused. Delete as unused and disputed (first choice) or userfy without redirect as disputed (second choice). HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 03:01, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Wikipedia is not a political soapbox. * Pppery * it has begun... 05:16, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
November 1, 2024
- Wikipedia:WikiProject Terrorism/Guantanamo/What to do with Afghan training camps?/Merge less well referenced articles to Afghan training camp... or to a new article... (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)
I originally just redirected this but it was contested. Contextless Guantanamo related page, part of a project to make a lot of pages on a lot of Guantanamo prisoner BLPs (many of which are being slowly deleted as given our current rules they are non-notable) by an indef banned user that never went anywhere masquerading as a WikiProject page. Also, WP Terrorism is no longer a wikiproject so these are attached to a project that no longer exists. Marking it as historical is negative for that reason. I see no harm in letting it exist as a redirect so the page history is accessible but I do see issues with letting it remain attached to nothing.
Also nominating:
- Wikipedia:WikiProject Terrorism/Guantanamo/What to do with Afghan training camps?
- Wikipedia:WikiProject Terrorism/Guantanamo
PARAKANYAA (talk) 23:59, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
- Question - I would like to know whether I understand. It appears that there was a WikiProject until 19 October 2024, and then it was moved to become a task force of WikiProject Crime and Criminal Biography. Wikipedia:WikiProject Terrorism/Guantanamo was a subpage of the project, and it had its own subpages. So the issue is what to do with the subpages of something that no longer exists. Is that correct? My own thinking is that marking them historical is exactly what should be done, to record the historical link to the renamed project. Is my reading of the history correct? If so, why shouldn't we record the strange history? Robert McClenon (talk) 01:23, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Robert McClenon What's the point of keeping project pages that have no project? I find they tend, even if marked defunct or historical, to attract random edits, vandalism, and people for asking for help on the wrong pages to get no response. Redirecting it stops that. PARAKANYAA (talk) 01:29, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
October 31, 2024
- Wikipedia:WikiProject Percussion/Core (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)
- (Time stamp for bot to properly relist.) ThadeusOfNazereth(he/him) 18:47, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
Unnecessary when Category:Top-importance Percussion articles exists. Has not been edited since the first day of its creation nearly twenty years ago. Why? I Ask (talk) 05:16, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
- Mark Historical - No need to delete. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:40, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
- Is it even historical? It has been edited by only one editor on one day over a decade ago. It does not represent the larger WikiProject at all. Why? I Ask (talk) 17:48, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
- Mark as historical or redirect to main WikiProject page: was once useful and there's no reason its content should be inaccessible to non-admins, which is all that deletion achieves. Per the links to the page, it was mentioned at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Percussion/Archive 1 and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Percussion/To do/Archive 1. Also, it was created in February 2008, which is more like 16-and-a-half years ago than 20 (fairly important because Wikipedia changed a lot between November 2004 and February 2008). Graham87 (talk) 09:35, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
- I would prefer a move to the original author's user page per WP:PRJDEL. Why? I Ask (talk) 09:48, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ThadeusOfNazereth(he/him) 18:47, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- Wikipedia:WikiProject Percussion/Collaboration of the Month (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)
- (Time stamp for bot to properly relist.) ThadeusOfNazereth(he/him) 18:48, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
Not been used since its creation in 2008. Wikipedia:WikiProject Percussion/In progress seems to be an attempt at re-creating it, thus this is unnecessary. Why? I Ask (talk) 04:44, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
- Mark Historical - No need to delete. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:40, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
- It has never been used. The only edits are its creation and tagging of inactive. It is not historical. Why? I Ask (talk) 18:39, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
- Mark as historical or redirect to main WikiProject page: was once useful and there's no reason its content should be inaccessible to non-admins, which is all that deletion achieves. As it says on the page, the only collabroation of the month was [[List of percussion instruments, so it was used for something. Graham87 (talk) 09:41, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ThadeusOfNazereth(he/him) 18:48, 8 November 2024 (UTC)