Wikipedia:Redirects For Discussion
- If you want to replace an unprotected redirect with an article, do not list it here. Turning redirects into articles is wholly encouraged. Be bold!
- If you want to move a page but a redirect is in the way, do not list it here. For non-controversial cases, place a technical request; if a discussion is required, then start a requested move.
- If you think a redirect points to the wrong target article, this is a good place to discuss the proper target.
- Redirects should not be deleted just because they have no incoming links. Please do not use this as the only reason to delete a redirect. However, redirects that do have incoming links are sometimes deleted, so that is not a sufficient condition for keeping. (See § When should we delete a redirect? for more information.)
Please do not unilaterally rename or change the target of a redirect while it is under discussion. This adds unnecessary complication to the discussion for participants and closers.
Before listing a redirect for discussion
Please be aware of these general policies, which apply here as elsewhere:
- Wikipedia:Redirect – what redirects are, why they exist, and how they are used.
- Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion – which pages can be deleted without discussion; in particular the "General" and "Redirects" sections.
- Wikipedia:Deletion policy – how we delete things by consensus.
- Wikipedia:Guide to deletion – guidelines on discussion format and shorthand.
The guiding principles of RfD
- The purpose of a good redirect is to eliminate the possibility that readers will find themselves staring blankly at "Search results 1–10 out of 378" instead of the article they were looking for. If someone could plausibly enter the redirect's name when searching for the target article, it's a good redirect.
- Redirects are cheap. They take up little storage space and use very little bandwidth. It doesn't really hurt things if there are a few of them scattered around. On the flip side, deleting redirects is also cheap because recording the deletion takes up little storage space and uses very little bandwidth. There is no harm in deleting problematic redirects.
- If a good-faith RfD nomination proposes to delete a redirect and has no discussion after at least 7 days, the default result is delete.
- Redirects nominated in contravention of Wikipedia:Redirect will be speedily kept.
- RfD can also serve as a central discussion forum for debates about which page a redirect should target. In cases where retargeting the redirect could be considered controversial, it is advisable to leave a notice on the talk page of the redirect's current target page or the proposed target page to refer readers to the redirect's nomination to allow input and help form consensus for the redirect's target.
- Requests for deletion of redirects from one page's talk page to another's do not need to be listed here. Anyone can remove the redirect by blanking the page. The G6 criterion for speedy deletion may be appropriate.
- In discussions, always ask yourself whether or not a redirect would be helpful to the reader.
When should we delete a redirect?
This page is transcluded from Wikipedia:Redirect/Deletion reasons. (edit | history) |
The major reasons why deletion of redirects is harmful are:
- a redirect may contain non-trivial edit history;
- if a redirect is reasonably old (or is the result of moving a page that has been there for quite some time), then it is possible that its deletion will break incoming links (such links coming from older revisions of Wikipedia pages, from edit summaries, from other Wikimedia projects or from elsewhere on the internet, do not show up in "What links here").
Therefore consider the deletion only of either harmful redirects or of recent ones.
Reasons for deleting
You might want to delete a redirect if one or more of the following conditions is met (but note also the exceptions listed below this list):
- The redirect page makes it unreasonably difficult for users to locate similarly named articles via the search engine. For example, if the user searches for "New Articles", and is redirected to a disambiguation page for "Articles", it would take much longer to get to the newly added articles on Wikipedia.
- The redirect might cause confusion. For example, if "Adam B. Smith" was redirected to "Andrew B. Smith", because Andrew was accidentally called Adam in one source, this could cause confusion with the article on Adam Smith, so the redirect should be deleted.
- The redirect is offensive or abusive, such as redirecting "Joe Bloggs is a Loser" to "Joe Bloggs" (unless "Joe Bloggs is a Loser" is legitimately discussed in the article), or "Joe Bloggs" to "Loser". (Speedy deletion criterion G10 and G3 may apply.) See also § Neutrality of redirects.
- The redirect constitutes self-promotion or spam. (Speedy deletion criterion G11 may apply.)
- The redirect makes no sense, such as redirecting "Apple" to "Orange". (Speedy deletion criterion G1 may apply.)
- It is a cross-namespace redirect out of article space, such as one pointing into the User or Wikipedia namespace. The major exception to this rule are the pseudo-namespace shortcut redirects, which technically are in the main article space. Some long-standing cross-namespace redirects are also kept because of their long-standing history and potential usefulness. "MOS:" redirects, for example, are an exception to this rule. (Note also the existence of namespace aliases such as WP:. Speedy deletion criterion R2 may apply if the target namespace is something other than Category:, Template:, Wikipedia:, Help:, or Portal:.)
- If the redirect is broken, meaning it redirects to an article that does not exist, it can be immediately deleted under speedy deletion criterion G8. You should check that there is not an alternative place it could be appropriately redirected to first and that it has not become broken through vandalism.
- If the redirect is a novel or very obscure synonym for an article name that is not mentioned in the target, it is unlikely to be useful. In particular, redirects in a language other than English to a page whose subject is unrelated to that language (or a culture that speaks that language) should generally not be created. (Implausible typos or misnomers are candidates for speedy deletion criterion R3, if recently created.)
- If the target article needs to be moved to the redirect title, but the redirect has been edited before and has a history of its own, then the title needs to be freed up to make way for the move. If the move is uncontroversial, tag the redirect for G6 speedy deletion, or alternatively (with the
suppressredirect
user right; available to page movers and admins), perform a round-robin move. If not, take the article to Requested moves. - If the redirect could plausibly be expanded into an article, and the target article contains virtually no information on the subject.
Reasons for not deleting
However, avoid deleting such redirects if:
- They have a potentially useful page history, or an edit history that should be kept to comply with the licensing requirements for a merge (see Wikipedia:Merge and delete). On the other hand, if the redirect was created by renaming a page with that name, and the page history just mentions the renaming, and for one of the reasons above you want to delete the page, copy the page history to the Talk page of the article it redirects to. The act of renaming is useful page history, and even more so if there has been discussion on the page name.
- They would aid accidental linking and make the creation of duplicate articles less likely, whether by redirecting a plural to a singular, by redirecting a frequent misspelling to a correct spelling, by redirecting a misnomer to a correct term, by redirecting to a synonym, etc. In other words, redirects with no incoming links are not candidates for deletion on those grounds because they are of benefit to the browsing user. Some extra vigilance by editors will be required to minimize the occurrence of those frequent misspellings in article text because the linkified misspellings will not appear as broken links; consider tagging the redirect with the {{R from misspelling}} template to assist editors in monitoring these misspellings.
- They aid searches on certain terms. For example, users who might see the "Keystone State" mentioned somewhere but do not know what that refers to will be able to find out at the Pennsylvania (target) article.
- Deleting redirects runs the risk of breaking incoming or internal links. For example, redirects resulting from page moves should not normally be deleted without good reason. Links that have existed for a significant length of time, including CamelCase links (e.g. WolVes) and old subpage links, should be left alone in case there are any existing links on external pages pointing to them. See also Wikipedia:Link rot § Link rot on non-Wikimedia sites.
- Someone finds them useful. Hint: If someone says they find a redirect useful, they probably do. You might not find it useful—this is not because the other person is being untruthful, but because you browse Wikipedia in different ways. Evidence of usage can be gauged by using the wikishark or pageviews tool on the redirect to see the number of views it gets.
- The redirect is to a closely related word form, such as a plural form to a singular form.
Neutrality of redirects
Just as article titles using non-neutral language are permitted in some circumstances, so are such redirects. Because redirects are less visible to readers, more latitude is allowed in their names, therefore perceived lack of neutrality in redirect names is not a sufficient reason for their deletion. In most cases, non-neutral but verifiable redirects should point to neutrally titled articles about the subject of the term. Non-neutral redirects may be tagged with {{R from non-neutral name}}
.
Non-neutral redirects are commonly created for three reasons:
- Articles that are created using non-neutral titles are routinely moved to a new neutral title, which leaves behind the old non-neutral title as a working redirect (e.g. Climategate → Climatic Research Unit email controversy).
- Articles created as POV forks may be deleted and replaced by a redirect pointing towards the article from which the fork originated (e.g. Barack Obama Muslim rumor → deleted and now redirected to Barack Obama religion conspiracy theories).
- The subject matter of articles may be represented by some sources outside Wikipedia in non-neutral terms. Such terms are generally avoided in Wikipedia article titles, per the words to avoid guidelines and the general neutral point of view policy. For instance the non-neutral expression "Attorneygate" is used to redirect to the neutrally titled Dismissal of U.S. attorneys controversy. The article in question has never used that title, but the redirect was created to provide an alternative means of reaching it because a number of press reports use the term.
The exceptions to this rule would be redirects that are not established terms and are unlikely to be useful, and therefore may be nominated for deletion, perhaps under deletion reason #3. However, if a redirect represents an established term that is used in multiple mainstream reliable sources, it should be kept even if non-neutral, as it will facilitate searches on such terms. Please keep in mind that RfD is not the place to resolve most editorial disputes.
Closing notes
- Details at Administrator instructions for RfD
Nominations should remain open, per policy, about a week before they are closed, unless they meet the general criteria for speedy deletion, the criteria for speedy deletion of a redirect, or are not valid redirect discussion requests (e.g. are actually move requests).
How to list a redirect for discussion
STEP I. | Tag the redirect(s).
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STEP II. | List the entry on RfD.
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STEP III. | Notify users.
It is generally considered good practice to notify the creator and main contributors of the redirect(s) that you nominate. may be placed on the creator/main contributors' user talk page to provide notice of the discussion. Please replace RedirectName with the name of the respective creator/main contributors' redirect and use an edit summary such as: Notice of redirect discussion at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion]]
Notices about the RfD discussion may also be left on relevant talk pages. |
- Please consider using What links here to locate other redirects that may be related to the one you are nominating. After going to the redirect target page and selecting "What links here" in the toolbox on the left side of your computer screen, select both "Hide transclusions" and "Hide links" filters to display the redirects to the redirect target page.
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Current list
Bionic Bunny, et al.
- Bionic Bunny → List of Arthur characters#TV stars and merchandise (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bionic Bunny – keep (as an article—later redirected)
- Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dark Bunny – redirect to Bionic Bunny
- Dark Bunny → List of Arthur characters#TV stars and merchandise (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Mary Moo-Cow → List of Arthur characters#TV stars and merchandise (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- The Bionic Bunny Show → List of Arthur characters#TV stars and merchandise (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Wilbur Rabbit → List of Arthur characters#TV stars and merchandise (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Left notice about this at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Deletion sorting#Arthur-related redirects for discussion. Couldn't do it the usual way, because that assumes an AFD. If someone else can figure out how to do this better, please do. - dcljr (talk) 04:55, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
The target of all of these related redirects is a section that no longer exists in the target article. (These are all related to fictional characters or works within the fiction of the show itself — hence doubly fictional, which presumably is why the content didn't survive.) There doesn't seem to be anything relevant in the main Arthur (TV series) article, either. Nor in Marc Brown (author), our article for the author of the Arthur books. Propose deleting these unless some other appropriate target can be found. - dcljr (talk) 04:25, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget Bionic Bunny and Dark Bunny to List of fictional rabbits and hares#Animation where they are mentioned. Delete the others as there doesn't appear to be a good target. Thryduulf (talk) 10:28, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- The subject of The Bionic Bunny Show is Bionic Bunny, so maybe also redirect that one to the same target? - dcljr (talk) 00:10, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, asilvering (talk) 02:27, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
Onox
- Onox → List of The Legend of Zelda characters#Onox, the General of Darkness (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned in the target article. The subject of the redirect as intended is related to The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Seasons and Oracle of Ages as the subject's antagonist. However, there are other unrelated mentions of "Onox" at Katonah (Native American leader) and Taphow that could potentially be a target for this title. (Leaning "delete" and "weak disambiguate".) Steel1943 (talk) 18:38, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- delete. none of the other onoxes seem noteworthy enough to warrant redirects either cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 18:42, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
Biggoron
- Biggoron → List of The Legend of Zelda characters#Biggoron (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned in target article. There seem to be 3 articles with this phrase, but one is for a username of a person and the other two are partial title matches for a different but related fictional concept, "Biggoron Sword", though List of fictional swords#Nintendo's The Legend of Zelda also makes mention of the subject of this redirect but probably not in a way which would be what a reader would be expecting to find if looking up the redirect's title. Steel1943 (talk) 18:18, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- delete as not noteworthy enough for a redirect, and maybe draftify that list to completely redo it. it's a serious wreck cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 18:46, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
Four Giants
- Four Giants → List of The Legend of Zelda characters#Four Giants (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned in the target article. This concept is mentioned at The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask#Story, given that this is a story concept in that game, but I'm not sure if that is a sufficient target or not. (I'm leaning "delete".) Steel1943 (talk) 18:13, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- surprisingly, a name composed of a number followed by a relatively common word can refer to more than one thing, though none of the other possible targets seem to be notable. i'd say delete, if only until someone decides to reminisce about their legs or something cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 18:41, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask given their significant plot role in the game. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 18:59, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
Lord Jabu-Jabu
- Lord Jabu-Jabu → List of The Legend of Zelda characters#Jabu-Jabu (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Lord Jabu Jabu → List of The Legend of Zelda characters#Jabu-Jabu (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Jabu-Jabu → List of The Legend of Zelda characters#Jabu-Jabu (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Jabu Jabu → List of The Legend of Zelda characters#Jabu-Jabu (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Character/dungeon of the Legend of Zelda universe that is not mentioned in the target article, Characters of The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time, or The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time. The only mention of this character on Wikipedia seems to be at List of monarchs of fictional countries#Zora Tribe, but I'm pretty sure that target is not the target readers trying to information about this character are intending to go, meaning deletion is probably preferred over retargeting there. Steel1943 (talk) 17:39, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. If there were a lot of page views I'd contend that it should just be changed to mention Jabu-Jabu on the characters or OoT article, but none of them are even double digits, suggesting no one is really using these redirects anyway. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 17:48, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Cukie Gherkin: Just FYI, I apparently had an edit conflict with you when I updated my rationale to include finding a mention at List of monarchs of fictional countries#Zora Tribe, in case that changes your stance. Steel1943 (talk) 17:50, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- Page views aren't necessarily a concern regarding readers finding this information; what's more important is that the information exists if any reader is trying to find that information. Meaning ... should this character be added to an article, probably Characters of The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time? (I'm assuming that the content was previously at its current target, considering the target is coded in these redirects, and you are the creator of Characters of The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time [assuming my requested history merge has not occurred yet].) Steel1943 (talk) 17:54, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- I think my stance remains the same, as I don't think people would expect to be taken there if they do search for it. As far as page views, they were just offered as an example of an incentive for perhaps mentioning Jabu-Jabu somewhere if he was someone people were searching. As far as the characters page, I think the most that could be done would be to mention Jabu Jabu under Ruto's page, but I'm not sure that would really be enough to warrant redirects. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 18:10, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
potentially implausible tpyos
- Thermo mechnical fatigue → Thermo-mechanical fatigue (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Powhattan conferderacy → Tsenacommacah (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Risk-benefit anaysis → Risk–benefit ratio (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Risk–benefit anaysis → Risk–benefit ratio (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Classical homepathy → Homeopathy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
originally nominated by fuxx as implausible, redone for fomatting and rfd notices cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 15:45, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
Heavy Scorpion
results gave me a specific type of ballista from age of empires (not mentioned in its article) and... scorpions that presumably weigh more than what would be expected. is there something i'm missing? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 15:31, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- if it serves as context, the scorpio (or scorpion) is a type of ballista-shaped non-ballista thing that does ballista things but totally isn't a ballista, but i haven't found evidence of ballistae being referred to as heavy scorpios (or scorpions) outside of age of empires cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 15:37, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
List of Supreme Court decisions on capital punishment
- List of Supreme Court decisions on capital punishment → List of United States Supreme Court opinions involving capital punishment (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Non-interchangeable redirect, there are many supreme courts around the world. Either disambiguate or delete. Awesome Aasim 13:06, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
Category:Dionysus in Greek mythology
- Category:Dionysus in Greek mythology → Category:Mythology of Dionysus (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Unneeded soft redirect from an unlikely search term. What other mythology would Dionysus appear in? This redirect was created shortly before its target (which used to be Category:Dionysus in mythology). Mclay1 (talk) 11:21, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- keep. osiris isn't really a recurring character in shinto lore, but people will still specify that he's from egyptian mythology. same goes for dionysus in greek mythology, give or take the roman dub changing everyone's names (except his, apparently), so i think it's a pretty plausible case of "just in case" or alternative spelling cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 15:54, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
Equestrian at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Individual jumping
Cecile Shapiro
- Cecile Shapiro → Bart the Genius (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Very minor character with only a few lines; similar to the other RFD involving the target page. Xeroctic (talk) 07:49, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
Ethan Foley
- Ethan Foley → Bart the Genius (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Probably a very minor character with only a few lines; I don't think this character is notable enough to have a redirect. Xeroctic (talk) 07:46, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as long as it's mentioned in the article, its fine since the notability criteria don't apply to redirects. JuniperChill (talk) 09:26, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: The character is only mentioned in the cast, not the plot, so I think that may effect whether the character is significant enough in the episode. Xeroctic (talk) 09:46, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- Regardless, since redirects are cheap, it should be here to stay. JuniperChill (talk) 13:48, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: The character is only mentioned in the cast, not the plot, so I think that may effect whether the character is significant enough in the episode. Xeroctic (talk) 09:46, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
Veere Ki Wedding
- Veere Ki Wedding → Veerey Ki Wedding (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Veerey Di Wedding → Veere Di Wedding (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Veere Di Wedding and Veerey Ki Wedding both exist. Right now, Veerey Di Wedding redirects to Veere Di Wedding and Veere Ki Wedding redirects to Veerey Ki Wedding. How do we choose which directs to which? Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 23:06, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Created the redirects as alt spellings of the film titles, both of which should be distinguished. The spelling differences are due to the Hindi (Veerey Ki Wedding) and Punjabi (Veere Di Wedding) renderings of these film titles. If the article titles stand, I do not think alt spell redirects should be a problem at all. Gotitbro (talk) 23:12, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Note I've merged the related nominations. Thryduulf (talk) 23:59, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
Eng.wikipedia.org
Couch sex
- Couch sex → JD Vance#Public perception (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Although one of the references includes "couch sex", it's not discussed in the actual article, and I'm curious if something like this will blow over... Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 22:55, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy delete under G10. It's not plausible that someone is looking for Vance under the term "Couch sex"; this is purely about disparaging the subject. Dylnuge 23:20, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- There's a number of similar redirects pointing here: JD Vance's couch, JD Vance couch controversy, JD Vance couch hoax, Did JD Vance have sex with a couch?. —Cryptic 23:30, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- While I'm not convinced all of those should exist either, they all have "JD Vance" in the title, which al least brings them into the realm of plausibility. Dylnuge 23:39, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- There's a number of similar redirects pointing here: JD Vance's couch, JD Vance couch controversy, JD Vance couch hoax, Did JD Vance have sex with a couch?. —Cryptic 23:30, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Maybe retarget to Casting couch? —Cryptic 23:26, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- erm, someone must have removed it. the info I was trying to direct to was just under "public opinion", and I've also been changing similar redirects to wherever has been the current destination since nobody could figure out where it goes in the article. I think it was also discussed in the talk page. YodaYogaYogurt154 (talk) 23:28, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- nope, the info is there, but yeah. a more helpful redirect would have been "JD Vance couch sex" or something. I can agree with the re-target to the obviously more established "casting couch" 👍 YodaYogaYogurt154 (talk) 23:32, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- retarget to casting couch. like how team fortress 2 isn't the primary topic for the concept of sandwiches, jd vance isn't the primary topic for the concept of having sex in (or with) a couch. i'd say retarget to castng couch, if only because human mating strategies, human sexual activity, sexual intercourse, and sexual arousal don't necessarily mention couches or sofas a whole lot cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 00:54, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
Togey
- Togey → Rope#punitive uses (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Togie → Rope (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned in target article, leaving the connection between the redirects and the target unclear. It seems these topics may be related to some sort of torture device involving rope, but it seems the terms' usage is sporadic on Wikipedia on articles not related to torture. (Also, it may be worth noting that an article named Togie Pittinger exists.) Steel1943 (talk) 22:11, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- results gave me deviantart. i got nothing. delete togey, retarget togie to togie pittinger cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:07, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
Template:+rp
- Template:+rp → Template:BLP sources (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Delete. Like Template:+C (nominated below) this is an unused cryptic redirect that obfuscates the issue for editors. Indeed, in this case I can't even work out what "rp" is meant to stand for - nothing at Rp has an obvious connection to BLP sourcing. WP:RP is a redirect to Wikipedia:Requested pictures, the template for that is {{photo requested}} but the cryptic ambiguity would not be resolved by retargetting there (and the + wouldn't make sense) so I don't support that. template:rp is a redirect to Template:Reference page, a citation template, but again the + doesn't make sense in that context. Thryduulf (talk) 21:56, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- I'd guess it uses the same sort of logic as {{+r}}: + = add more r = references to p = ...people?Anyway, I tried to find an example of its creator using it, to show why it's so unhelpful (à la Special:Diff/1099542152/1099555870), but couldn't find even one transclusion going forward two months after its creation. Pretty sure nobody's ever used it. —Cryptic 22:37, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
Template:+C
- Template:+C → Template:Improve categories (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Template:+c → Template:Improve categories (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Delete. These are unused cryptic abbreviations in the same vein as the deleted Template:+L/Template:+l (RfD) that make it harder for editors to work out what the issues with the article are (categories? citations? comments? columns? colours?). Indeed even if you know C means Categories, it's ambiguous between template:improve categories and template:uncategorised. Thryduulf (talk) 21:04, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Edit: there were actually 5 transclusions of the lowercase redirect, all placed by the creator. I removed three of them for being incorrect and the other two after addressing the issue (in both cases adding the only additional relevant category). Thryduulf (talk) 21:25, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- The creator was recently topic banned from using maintenance templates, so these aren't going to gain any more transclusions anytime soon. —Cryptic 22:14, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
Link Link
- Link Link → Link (The Legend of Zelda) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
...like mario mario? i don't get it. results only gave me link by virtue of him being the primary topic for an entire word cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:10, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. As far as I am aware, Link's surname is either nonexistent or unknown in Zelda canon. Steel1943 (talk) 20:23, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Either this is a very implausible typo of "Like like" (a monster in the Legend of Zelda series) or someone thinking Link, under any incarnation, has a surname, let alone one that's basically his first name. Either way, redirect is bad. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v 21:53, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - Mario actually has an official last name, which is Mario. Link doesn't have a last name, and since it hasn't ever been confirmed by Nintendo, it's implausible. Wheatley2 (talk) 01:19, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
Triumph Forks
i don't even know what this is supposed to be. results only gave me fork-ish things that are apparently from a brand known as triumph cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:02, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - Hideously implausible. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v 21:54, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete most of the hits are related to forks for motorcycles made by Triumph, but that is not an encyclopaedic topic. Thryduulf (talk) 23:54, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Evidently no one performed a search with "Triumph Forks" enclosed in quotation marks. There are many results discussing it, apparently it's a joke in a Zelda game. Nevertheless, I am leaning delete as it seems unlikely someone would look up an obscure joke from a video game on Wikipedia. Arguably, someone who doesn't get the joke might look it up, but would they really do so on Wikipedia? And is the redirect really helpful in that case, given that it's not explained at the target article? --Un assiolo (talk) 13:21, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- I did perform the search with quotes, and while I did get a couple of hits related to Zelda it was literally only a couple among the many for motorbike parts. If it were mentioned at the target there might be an argument for keeping, but when it isn't it's not helpful for anybody - someone who knows the joke already knows more than the redirect can tell them, those who don't will still be left confused. It misleads both groups of people into thinking we have relevant content when we don't. Thryduulf (talk) 14:13, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- Agreed. And apologies for assuming incompetence. --Un assiolo (talk) 14:28, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- did that, only got around 3 gamefaqs-era memes cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 16:15, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- I did perform the search with quotes, and while I did get a couple of hits related to Zelda it was literally only a couple among the many for motorbike parts. If it were mentioned at the target there might be an argument for keeping, but when it isn't it's not helpful for anybody - someone who knows the joke already knows more than the redirect can tell them, those who don't will still be left confused. It misleads both groups of people into thinking we have relevant content when we don't. Thryduulf (talk) 14:13, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - Tell me what human would ever even look up "Triumph Forks" on Wikipedia in the first place, even if they knew the obscure joke it came from. Wheatley2 (talk) 01:21, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as confusing --Lenticel 02:05, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
Copper pan
- Copper pan → Frying pan (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
to my surprise, it seems there are other types of pans made of copper and known by that name, and sauce pans seem to be the primary topic (however that works for cooking utensils). i wanted to retarget it to cookware and bakeware#Copper, but there might be a better possible target i'm missing. opinions? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 19:44, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Cookware and bakeware#Copper. If there is a better target it doesn't immediately come to mind. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v 19:54, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Same as above - Retarget to Cookware and bakeware#Copper Wheatley2 (talk) 01:22, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Cookware and bakeware#Copper per Jéské Couriano --Lenticel 04:35, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
"Children's games", "Children's Games" & friends
- Children's games → List of children's games (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Children's Games → List of children's games (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Childrens' games → List of children's games (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Childrens Games → List of children's games (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
I was originally considering WP:BOLDly retargeting these redirects to disambiguation page Children's toys and games to allow readers to determine which page they were intending to find if they searched these terms (the current target is listed at Children's toys and games), but ... the existence of Children's Games (Bruegel) complicates that due to WP:DIFFCAPS. I'm still believing that these redirects should be retargeted to Children's toys and games, but I'm not sure if Children's Games (Bruegel) should be moved to Children's Games per both WP:DIFFCAPS and since ... retargeting Children's Games to Children's toys and games and then listing Children's Games (Bruegel) in the "See also" section seems to both be odd and have no precedence. Steel1943 (talk) 19:22, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
Children's games (role play)
- Children's games (role play) → Make believe (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Though this redirect is a {{R from move}} and its target has a section named "#Role-play", the concept of "children's games" is not exclusive to "make believe". See Children's toys and games for a list of pages which could be considered "children's games"; some of the subjects listed at these pages could be considered "role playing" and are exclusive from "make believe". However, since there seems to be no target that encompasses the entirety of the redirect, I believe the best option for our readers is deletion. Steel1943 (talk) 19:02, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
Religious movement
- Religious movement → Sociological classifications of religious movements (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
I don't know where this should target but I feel like the current target is very misleading. Any other suggestions? PARAKANYAA (talk) 17:35, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Revert to and improve this revision. My gut feeling is that we should have something at this title, given articles like the current target, New religious movement, Providence (religious movement) and Awakening (Finnish religious movement) among others strongly imply it is an encyclopaedic concept with the current target and NRM feeling like subtopics and Religion is too general. Movement#Society and culture (a dab page section) gives a useful definition "a coordinated group action focused on a religious ideology" but that would be circular. In 2018 there was, very briefly, a set index (although it wasn't tagged as such) that had an introduction (two long sentences) and then a incomplete list of examples and other relevant articles. That creation was reverted by Polyamorph for reasons which are not immediately apparent, even though Tkctwbd (who hasn't edited since 2019) tried to discuss it on the talk page without anybody engaging with them. Whether it should stay as a set index or whether a broad concept article would be better I'm not sure, but either are superior to the redirect. Thryduulf (talk) 17:59, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Thryduulf This proposal seems good to me but what do you mean by "and NRM feeling like subtopics"? PARAKANYAA (talk) 21:27, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- I mean "new religious movements" feels like a more specific subtopic/subset of "religious movements" in the same way that "protestantism" is to "Christianity". Thryduulf (talk) 21:38, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- Ah, okay. PARAKANYAA (talk) 23:38, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- I mean "new religious movements" feels like a more specific subtopic/subset of "religious movements" in the same way that "protestantism" is to "Christianity". Thryduulf (talk) 21:38, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Thryduulf This proposal seems good to me but what do you mean by "and NRM feeling like subtopics"? PARAKANYAA (talk) 21:27, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- Revert : I agree with Thryduulf. Adding here the search results of Wikipedia articles with "religious movement" in their title. ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 15:44, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- Revert: I agree with Thryduulf as well. Wheatley2 (talk) 01:24, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
Miligram
See Talk:Miligram (band)#Requested move 20 July 2024. Consensus in the RM discussion was that this is more appropriate for RfD. The issues to be decided are: (1) Should the band's article be at Miligram? (2) If not, where should the redirect be targetted? This is a procedural nomination: my opinion is Neutral. Tevildo (talk) 12:41, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Kilogram#SI multiples per Milligram. Easy misspelling, far more notable than the band. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:41, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget per Necrothesp. * Pppery * it has begun... 14:42, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget per Necrothesp. Thryduulf (talk) 17:38, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget per Necrothesp. "Mili" is a feasible typo of the prefix "milli-". —Jéské Couriano v^_^v 19:56, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Google seems mixed between the band and the generic meaning so maybe DAB? Crouch, Swale (talk) 16:42, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget per Necrothesp. --Lenticel 04:36, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
Saint Boy
- Saint Boy → Modern pentathlon at the 2020 Summer Olympics – Women's (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention in the target article. Pelmeen10 (talk) 18:42, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Appears to be the name of a horse used by both Annika Schleu and Gulnaz Gubaydullina. It's mentioned at both of their articles, but I think search results are best as neither article has more info than the other. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 20:45, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep and add that information to the article. If neither has more info than the other, then the appropriate place to link is the event page where both competitors are listed. --Habst (talk) 13:14, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- How can you vote "keep" if such info is not added? Info should come before redirect. Pelmeen10 (talk) 17:50, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
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Symplectic action
- Symplectic action → Action (physics)#Abbreviated action (functional) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Term is not actually used at target, but listed in Glossary_of_symplectic_geometry#S. 1234qwer1234qwer4 13:39, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget fine, a dictionary.
Delete This is a math thing, not a physics thing, so the redirect is not correct. The topic is not notable on its own and not covered in other articles. No page history and only one incoming link.Johnjbarton (talk) 22:56, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget per nom. Jay 💬 13:27, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Retarget per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 13:25, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
Metal Mario
No mention of "Metal Mario" on the target page. Mia Mahey (talk) 05:00, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Revert to the article in the page history without prejudice to AfD. Thryduulf (talk) 08:56, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as a plausible search term. It would be very easy to add a sourced mention - it's an alternate name for Mario when he uses a "power up" that makes his body look like metal. Sources like this outline it. An alternate target could be at Super Mario 64#Gameplay, where it's already touched on some there. That's where the concept originated, though it's been used in many games now, so its current target is probably preferable. Sergecross73 msg me 12:09, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as Metal Mario is a significant recurring character in the Mario franchise spin-offs and thus a plausible search term. A mention should be added at the subject, but I am unopposed to a redirect to Super Mario 64 if that is deemed a better solution. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 02:17, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. Fire Mario redirects to Super Mario#Projectiles, Tanooki Mario to Super Mario Bros. 3. Those are about all the 'Marios' I know for sure. Taking a guess at some extra Marios, Ice Mario redirects to Super Mario, and then Hammer Mario and Invincible Mario don't have any pages or redirects. Will readers be expecting to be redirected to wildly disparate pages when they're all effectively variations of the same character? 122141510 (talk) 23:50, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Retarget to Super Mario 64#Health, lives, and power-ups, akin to Metal Cap, where it's actually discussed. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 04:46, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
Biden crisis
- Biden crisis → Withdrawal of Joe Biden from the 2024 United States presidential election (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
I feel like there are a lot of sorts of things one might expect to see when they search this term (for example, Mexico–United_States_border_crisis#Biden_administration or 2023 United States banking crisis, or any other "crisis" during the administration might be sought), and I don't suspect that any particular one is the WP:PTOPIC. I think that this should either be disambiguated or deleted, as I don't think the current redirect can be justified absent a primary topic. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 03:39, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: the current target smacks of WP:RECENTISM and there is no clear alternative. Rosbif73 (talk) 07:40, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Looking at Presidency of Joe Biden there are many things that have been called a crisis during his term in office that could be referred to (especially by political opponents) as "Biden crisis" but this is by far the primary topic. Is that recentism? It's too soon to know! What we do know is that people using this search term now are overwhelmingly going to be looking for the current target. If that changes in the future we can reevaluate the redirect at that point. Thryduulf (talk) 09:02, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete too many storms in a teacup were called the Biden crisis. There's no clear target. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 13:27, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - reliable sources called it "Biden crisis", eg: NPR: "'We can't catch a break.' How the Biden crisis looks from the inside", Politico: "Pelosi privately fields battleground Dem calls as she works to address Biden crisis", Axios: "Trump rally shooting upends Democrats' Biden crisis", UK Channel 4: Biden crisis: supporters question President’s future as he pledges to continue - all in headlines. If you broaden the search to "Biden's crisis" even more results for the same topic appear. It's also worth noting that Withdrawal of Joe Biden from the 2024 United States presidential election was originally created with the name "Biden crisis" before the withdrawal was actually confirmed by Biden. BugGhost🦗👻 16:25, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep. I was about to nominate this myself a few days ago, but then changed my mind since apparently, the redirect may be an alternative name for the target per sources. Steel1943 (talk) 19:39, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Not adequately sourced enough, the term "It's Joever" was actually used far more to refer to Biden's diminishing capacity to win the election in the months before his withdraw than "Biden crisis." Biden crisis can refer to a bunch of things. HadesTTW (he/him • talk) 18:21, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- @HadesTTW - Regarding
Not adequately sourced enough
- I have posted several sources above that use the term - could you expand on why these aren't adequate? They're pretty well respected news sources and they use the term in their headlines to describe this event BugGhost🦗👻 19:16, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- @HadesTTW - Regarding
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- Delete, as per CycloneYoris, the term isn't adequately sourced. Sir MemeGod ._. (talk - contribs - created articles) 14:56, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- CycloneYoris has not commented on this, they just relisted it BugGhost🦗👻 19:28, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- I don't understand the "not adequately sourced" arguments, given that Bugghost presented more than adequate evidence that the term is used by reliable sources? Thryduulf (talk) 17:40, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
Luips
Implausible misspelling. wbm1058 (talk) 13:41, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Fruit Luips, which is slightly more plausible, was created by the same user at the same time as the nominated redirect. - Eureka Lott 16:15, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- I'm guessing this was a joke redirect based on the misspelling of Froot (ie. "if the two words rhyme then why is it Froot Loops rather than Fruit Luips"). Pointless redirect, implausable misspelling, web search results don't indicate "Froot Loops" as the ptopic - delete. BugGhost🦗👻 17:42, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, per nom. Alexeyevitch 05:01, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - even assuming this is more a ghoti situation, this is not a plausible redirect by any stretch of the imagination, and there's really no feasible retarget. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v 19:58, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
Gamma 0
- Gamma 0 → Feferman–Schütte ordinal (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Γ₀ → Feferman–Schütte ordinal (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Also the notation for Hecke congruence subgroups. 1234qwer1234qwer4 10:50, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- I wouldn’t mind having this become a disambiguation page linking to both, but let’s not just delete it. That doesn’t help anyone. - CRGreathouse (t | c) 13:21, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- To be more concrete: I proposed retargeting Gamma 0 to Γ₀ and making Γ₀ into a disambiguation page linking to both Feferman–Schütte ordinal and Hecke congruence subgroup or Congruence subgroup. - CRGreathouse (t | c) 16:45, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
I don't know enough about this area to concretely determine a WP:PTOPIC but Feferman–Schütte ordinal is an article that references Γ₀ in it's opening sentence, while Hecke congruence subgroups is just listed as one example of a Congruence subgroup, one that isn't even directly named in a heading - I am leaning to saying Feferman–Schütte ordinal is the primary topic here. So I would vote keep, but add a hatnote to Congruence subgroup (which redirects to Congruence subgroup#Examples) BugGhost🦗👻 18:00, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- jraimbau makes a very good point that contents of wikipedia pages shouldn't determine what is a primary topic. Changing my opinion to Disambiguate per the below. BugGhost🦗👻 19:02, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Agree with creating a disambiguation page. I don't think Feferman–Schütte ordinals are the primary topic here since the Hecke congruence subgroups are the most important examples of congruence subgroups and their place in wikipedia does not necessarily reflect their importance in current mathematics (they could easily have their own article). I'll admit that i'm not familiar with the ordinals but briefly looking through the article they do not seem to be of paramount importance in their own field. jraimbau (talk) 10:28, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- I don't have an opinion as to which topic is more primary, but a DAB page seems to make the most sense, especially because more uses will probably come to light. (Greek letter + 0 is a pretty basic construction.) The important thing is helping users who see the notation but don't know what it stands for. - CRGreathouse (t | c) 13:52, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- I agree with CRGreathouse. JRSpriggs (talk) 17:03, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate per CRGreathouse. In my personal experience I've seen the congruence subgroup meaning more often so I think the ordinal notation is not primary, and I think disambiguating (despite only two meanings) is better than trying to choose one. —David Eppstein (talk) 17:52, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
Presence (Greek: parousia ) of Christ
- Presence (Greek: parousia ) of Christ → Second Coming (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Delete this redirect because it is an unlikely search term and has an erroneous space. Presence of Christ is a redlink, but Parousia exists as a redirect. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 08:25, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Extremely malformed redirect. No one is searching this. Ca 11:24, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:RDAB and because definitions do not belong in page titles. — GodsyCONT) 04:21, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete it was an article for just over an hour and a half in 2008 and doesn't appear to contain any useful history. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:08, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
Once We Were Human
- Once We Were Human → Once Human (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not sure why this exists, all I get for results is a book on Amazon that has no Wikipedia page. It's not mentioned in the band page at all. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 21:42, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget - Retarget to Once Human (band). This site and this site both mention "Once We Were Human" as the old band name. BTW, Lauren Hart still directs to the Once Human disambiguation page. --Jax 0677 (talk) 21:47, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- See WP:R#DELETE #8. If you can find a reliable source that can be added to the article saying they were called that, then sure. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 21:59, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- Reply - WP:CHEAP, both of those references are used on other Wikipedia pages, so either these are reliable, or the others need to be purged. --Jax 0677 (talk) 22:09, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- See WP:R#DELETE #8. If you can find a reliable source that can be added to the article saying they were called that, then sure. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 21:59, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom, considering the retargeting option above seems WP:MADEUP. "WP:CHEAP" doesn't apply if it is shown that the redirect is inherently unhelpful and/or misleading, which seems to be the case here. Steel1943 (talk) 19:31, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete. Not mentioned anywhere in enwiki. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 10:52, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
Themes common in gay porn
- Themes common in gay porn → Gay pornography (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No "themes" mentioned at target, and title is also a bit ungrammatical. However, since the redirect is a {{R with history}}, then I'm not sure if deletion would be appropriate. CycloneYoris 07:34, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Restore history and rename. This was redirected following Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Themes common in gay porn which was very low participation (nom and one other) and closed as redirect despite the only !vote being "merge and delete per nom". While at the time it might have been mostly adequately covered in the target article it isn't today. As pointed out it covers many things not exclusive to gay porn, so I suggest restoring it and renaming it to form the basis of a Glossary of pornography or similarly titled article that better reflects the content - I was expecting a list of tropes based on the current title. Thryduulf (talk) 08:13, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom. Has already been at AFD, let's just put this thing to the fire. Steel1943 (talk) 22:54, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
Joan Bau
As far as I can tell, target is never referred to in this way. Rusalkii (talk) 01:48, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. This was createdc by @RafiUbeda: with summary "his name in Valencian/Catalan" but I am unable to verify that it is (happy to be proved wrong). Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 10:57, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete unless evidence is presented. While our article makes no connection with Catalonia or Valencia obvious, both the Spanish and French Wikipedia articles note he was born in Valencia so there are no FORRED issues. [1] and [2] use both spellings, but in different parts of the article and I'd want the opinion of someone who speaks Spanish before assigning any weight. Googling "Joan Bau" singer Valencia -Wikipedia produces nothing relevant ("Joan Bau" alone produces too many irrelevant results to be useful). Thryduulf (talk) 11:54, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
Betty Brook (Bear Kill tributary)
- Betty Brook (Bear Kill tributary) → Betty Brook (West Kill tributary) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Wrong river in disambiguation; I moved the page. Peter James (talk) 00:06, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep {{R from move}} and tag {{R from incorrect name}}. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 11:02, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep and tag per Shhhnotsoloud. The article was at this title for 7 years. Thryduulf (talk) 11:40, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
Manalo Cult
- Manalo Cult → Iglesia ni Cristo (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
I cannot find reliable sources calling this church a cult. voorts (talk/contributions) 23:34, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. There are lots of sources that do describe the target as a cult so this is a likely search term. We need reliable sources to call them a cult in Wikipedia's voice, we just need sources for a redirect. Thryduulf (talk) 11:33, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
Medical coding
- Medical coding → Medical classification (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Clinical coding → Clinical coder (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Medical and clinical coding are terms for the same thing. Of note; I boldly changed the medical coding redirect to match that of clinical coding in 2019. It was manually reverted to the previous, and now current, target in Aug 2023. I'm of the opinion that pointing the process (i.e. coding) to the profession (coder) is what a reader would expect rather than the tools used (classification), but they should at least have the same target. Little pob (talk) 21:55, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget clinical coding to medical classification per nom. Keep medical coding as is. voorts (talk/contributions) 23:35, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- Definitely agree that they should point to the same place. I tend to think that medical classification is basically a synonym, and thus a better target. That article is a bit of a mess though, it seems to be discussing several different things. CapitalSasha ~ talk 23:59, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- Hmm... I hadn't recognised that classification has (at least) two definitions here:
- The classifying of medical terms through the system of coding - seemingly the approach of the respondents so far
- The tools used by the coders - my sole interpretation until now
- I don't think either view point is wrong. If closer sees no consensus, perhaps a temporary DAB page with tracking could be considered? (I think such a process exists but not how to set up, nor the proper terminology to even be able to look for help on doing so (assuming non-sysop editors like myself would even be able to set such a thing up).)
- I agree that classification needs work. In fact the whole topic area needs looking at. It had been a long term project of mine, and possibly might still get round to it, but I'm much more of a wikignome than a wikifairy. Little pob (talk) 15:50, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Hmm... I hadn't recognised that classification has (at least) two definitions here:
- When I created the redirect from Clinical coding to Clinical coder I wasn't aware of the Medical coding redirect. That's because most countries have moved their terminology to the broader term and my own country never used the term. (I started as a medical statistics clerk and after a while the position was renamed as a clinical coder.) I agree that the two terms are synonymous and should redirect to the same place. Clinical/Medical coding is what a clinical coder does, while medical classification is a broader topic which includes the clinical classifications used and the tools utilised to implement the classifications in the field as well as the end uses of the data produced. My personal preference would be to see Medical classification rewritten and moved to Clinical classification. The justification for this is that the classifications covered in the article are broader than the "medical" domain and by using the term "clinical" we can encompass nursing, vetinary, severity, pharmacological, and allied health classifications. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 07:26, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Agree that these should both be directed to the same destination. I note above there are plans to do further work on articles about clinical coding. In the meantime I think medical classification is the best currently available destination. Mgp28 (talk) 15:16, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
Chesticle
This was created based on observed usage of the term among women, but as of this writing the only reference to the word on Wikipedia is about its usage among transmasculine people, at Terminology of transgender anatomy, which Generalissima and I just created. (It's also mentioned at Transgender sexuality, but she and I are rewriting that and plan to make the current "Naming the body" section just a summary of the new article.) Wiktionary also gives a third meaning, regarding cisgender men. Google Search favors the feminine meaning, while Google Scholar is more split between that and the transmasculine meaning. There isn't a great solution here, but I think the best would be soft-redirect to wikt:chesticle; perhaps JnpoJuwan, who's been doing a lot of good Wiktionary work parallel to my and Generalissima's Wikipedia efforts on this topic, can add the transmasculine sense there.
Sidenote, however this is closed, an admin should recreate the fully-protected Chesticles to match its outcome. -- Tamzin (they|xe) 21:53, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy delete as WP:X1. Okay, not quite, but close enough. Regardless, let the search function do its job, which includes linking to Wiktionary entries if they exist. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 04:56, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
Baldface Mountain (Herkimer County, New York)
- Baldface Mountain (Herkimer County, New York) → Baldface Mountain (Indian Lake, New York) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
I moved the page as the mountain is in Hamilton County, not Herkimer County (with the town name for disambiguation as there is another in Hamilton County). The redirect is misleading and should be deleted; I could not find a Baldface Mountain in Herkimer County although the other in Hamilton County (in the town of Morehouse) is close. Peter James (talk) 17:18, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as a {{R from move}} and tag as a {{R from incorrect name}}. The article was at this title from creation in December 2017 until 7 minutes before this nomination. Thryduulf (talk) 21:46, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Thryduulf. voorts (talk/contributions) 23:36, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep for now and tag per Thryduulf. If this is getting (near-)zero pageviews in a few years, this could be revisited. -- Tamzin (they|xe) 17:37, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
Artistic swimming at the 2028 Summer Olympics
- Artistic swimming at the 2028 Summer Olympics → 2028 Summer Olympics (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Way too early for this. Probably not a search term either for a little while. Propose deleting for now. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 01:49, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
SO(32)
No content on this specific group at target. Could be retargeted to Heterotic string theory or similar articles related to the physical application. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:29, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
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Iasst
- Iasst → Institute of advanced Study in science and technology (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This is intended as an acronym, so it should be capitalized. However, the acronym IASST --> International Association for Safety and Survival Training. The Institute of advanced Study in science and technology page is new, still unreviewed, potentially non-notable. The current target for Iasst has been redirected, given a previous XfD closer. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 22:57, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. It is confusing to have redirects in different cases point to different targets. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 12:13, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Out of the two "IASST" potential targets (International Association for Safety and Survival Training and Department of Science and Technology (India), which is what encompasses the Institute of Advanced Study in Science and Technology), the latter dwarfs the former in views - see these stats: [3] (but that doesn't necessarily mean viewers are looking for Institute of Advanced Study in Science and Technology when going to Department of Science and Technology (India), so doesn't really help the PTOPIC search). Searching "IASST" in a websearch gives Safety and Survival Training as a first result, but the majority of the ones afterwards point to the Indian science dept. Seeing as a primary topic doesn't appear obvious I suggest disambiguating - ie. delete Iasst and then converting IASST to a minidab which points to both International Association for Safety and Survival Training and Department of Science and Technology (India). BugGhost🦗👻 18:57, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
The OG of the OC
- The OG of the OC → Vicki Gunvalson (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Redirect not mentioned on the target page, and searching "OG of the OC" on Google doesn't bring up Vicki (at least on mind end), but other things do Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 22:11, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as WP:NOR per creator if no source can be presented. Respublik (talk) 20:59, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom --Lenticel 00:41, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
OG of the OC
- OG of the OC → Vicki Gunvalson (talk ·links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Redirect not mentioned on the target page, and searching "OG of the OC" on Google doesn't bring up Vicki (at least on mind end), but other things do. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 22:04, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- Hello,
- I added the redirect because that was the nickname given to Vicki Gunvalson as she was the longest-serving original cast member of the The Real Housewives of Orange County. OG refers to her status as an original castmate; OC refers to the setting of the show. Capricornsgroove (talk) 22:20, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as WP:NOR per creator if no source can be presented. Respublik (talk) 20:58, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom --Lenticel 00:41, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- will mention that i did find some sources, but the term seems to just be thrown around to whoever writers like (see here i think), though vicki still gets mentioned with that title 60-ish% of the time. while that at least alleviates the issue of an unsuspecting reader (or me) thinking that's supposed to stand for "original of the original character", i'm not entirely sure that if the sources happen to be usable, the series' article wouldn't be a better target. in case of doubt, i'll leave it to someone who knows what a rhoc is to find out where a mention could be added and not vote otherwise. same applies to the above, though i really think they should just be clumped together cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:20, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
Chosen Warrior (Mortal Kombat)
- Chosen Warrior (Mortal Kombat) → Characters of the Mortal Kombat series (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Chosen warriors → Characters of the Mortal Kombat series (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not sure what the best path forward is with these redirects. For one, the phrase "chosen warrior" is mentioned at least once in the target article, but not necessarily in a way that defines the term to better understand what potential subtopics the term excludes ... meaning readers will probably not find what they are looking for with these redirects. In addition, searching "chosen warrior(s)" on third party search engines returns results for potentially-notable topics that have no connection to the Mortal Kombat series. Also, the article Mortal Kombat does not mention "chosen warrior". Chosen Warrior does not exist, Chosen warrior existed but was apparently deleted in 2006 in a method that is now out-of-process and would be reverted (deleted due to being a double redirect) by an admin/editor who hasn't edited since 2009, and Chosen Warrior (Mortal Kombat) is a {{R with history}} due to being subject to a WP:BLAR in 2006; the history of the article seems to hint that this subject refers to a group of protagonist-like characters in the Mortal Kombat series ... but no article seems to currently define the term in a way which could be helpful to readers ... Steel1943 (talk) 21:32, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as vague. Technically it's Chosen One not Chosen Warrior. --Lenticel 00:44, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
Metallic taste
Might also refer to Taste#Metallicness. 1234qwer1234qwer4 21:13, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- Dabify. I'm not sure which one can be considered as a primary target --Lenticel 00:46, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Taste#Metallicness which is more general, and links to Dysgeusia. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 14:53, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Taste#Metallicness per Shhh, best article we have for "Metallic taste" BugGhost🦗👻 18:59, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
Travis Scott (The Sims character)
- Travis Scott (The Sims character) → The Sims 4 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned in target article, leaving readers attempting to find information about the subject of this redirect with nothing. Steel1943 (talk) 21:03, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
Brotherhood of Shadow
- Brotherhood of Shadow → Mortal Kombat (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Brothers of the Shadow → Mortal Kombat (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Brotherhood of the Shadow → Mortal Kombat (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned in the target article, leaving readers attempting to find information about this topic with no information at this target. However, there are mentions of the phrase "Brotherhood of Shadow" in multiple articles about subtopics of the target, but since it is mentioned in "multiple", it's not clear why any alternative target is preferred over another. Also, Brotherhood of Shadow is a {{R with history}} due to being subject to a WP:BLAR in 2007. Steel1943 (talk) 20:05, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- that's an apparently recurring name for a cult that... honestly, the only real pattern i can see in it is being led by quan chi. it's also the name of an unrelated game series that doesn't seem to have an article. i'd say delete, as pretty much no one cares about this name, and i doubt the games will have their own articles. not even sure ed cared about the cult at the time, since killing reptile took priority
- as for which spelling is right? the list of mortal kombat characters directly mentions and uses... two of them. in passing. and the cult isn't mentioned on quan chi's section at all. i suppose killing reptile took priority over deciding on a name as well cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:24, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
More-is-less paradox
- More-is-less paradox → Monotonicity criterion (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention at the target. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 19:24, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Now mentioned at target – without a source yet, but one exists. jlwoodwa (talk) 23:12, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
Less-is-more paradox
- Less-is-more paradox → Monotonicity criterion (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Target is another redirect; neither redirect is named at the second target. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 19:24, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- Named at target. Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 19:34, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- I bypassed the double redirect which the nominated redirect had, and updated the target in the nomination. Steel1943 (talk) 20:09, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. "Less is more" is nearly synonymous with "more is less", and it's easy to misremember one as the other. jlwoodwa (talk) 23:06, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- I also found a source that describes both "more is less" and "less is more". jlwoodwa (talk) 23:14, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
Iconoclasm in the United Kingdom during the George Floyd protests
- Iconoclasm in the United Kingdom during the George Floyd protests → Actions against memorials in Great Britain during the George Floyd protests (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Even though that's what this article used to be called, the destruction of likenesses typically isn't called iconoclasm unless such attacks are religiously motivated. This redirect may leave curious readers who type "iconoclasm" into the search bar with the unsubstantiated impression that the attacks carried out against secular memorials (on behalf of secular causes like Black Lives Matter) may be religious in nature. – MrPersonHumanGuy (talk) 18:07, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep Article was created June 12, 2020 and moved from this title June 13, 2020, so no strong argument to keep it for specifically historical reasons. On the other hand, the comparison to iconoclasm has been made repeatedly, e.g. UChicago divinity school article, Maxwell Museum of Anthropology issue, De Grutyer blog (my search). Overall, the usage exists and we aren't originating it, and I don't think it's actually incorrect - our article has it defined as "most frequently for religious or political reasons", and this is definitely a political reason. On the other hand, this exact phrase seems like an unlikely search term and I don't think there's a particularly strong benefit to having it. Rusalkii (talk) 19:17, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Iconoclasm can be for political reasons. We have an article titled French Revolution Iconoclasm, which would be better titled "Iconoclasm in the French Revolution" – in which case another example of political iconoclasm would appear when one types "iconoclasm" into the search bar. It's unfortunate that the "Actions against memorials..." article was moved from its original, more WP:CONCISE title. Ham II (talk) 08:23, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep both as a {{R from move}} and for being an accurate description of the article contents. Thryduulf (talk) 10:48, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
Helstinky
this doesn't seem like a joke common enough to warrant a redirect (even after pyrocynical's cruelty squad video), and neither does "hellstinky". funny, but not exactly plausible cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 16:27, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. The top hit for me on google is actually a ferret. Thryduulf (talk) 10:51, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
Multiply transitive
- Multiply transitive → Mathieu group#Multiply transitive groups (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Multiply transitive group action appears to be the more general concept. 1234qwer1234qwer4 16:15, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, this is a clear case for changing the target. Charles Matthews (talk) 16:19, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
Template:AFC infobox
- Template:AFC infobox → Template:Aberdeen F.C. (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The title of this redirect is extremely ambigous and should be deleted. KingSkyLord (talk | contribs) 15:11, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- Strong delete seing as its a navbox, not an infobox Mach61 17:46, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- Weak retarget to Template:AfC submission as a plausible target for new editors who are trying to submit their first article via WP:AFC and don't know the difference between the proposed retarget and an infobox. (I'm "weak" though since Template:AfC submission is not an infobox, meaning retargeting to Template:AfC submission may throw off seasoned editors.) Steel1943 (talk) 20:15, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete to free up for future use and per nom. R move but only used for <2 weeks. Respublik (talk) 21:03, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
Caine (video game character)
- Caine (video game character) → Final Fight (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
with all due respect, who? he's not mentioned in the target, and it doesn't seem like there are any other caines from video games that i should know about either, and this seems to be used as its own name more often than as an alternative spelling of "cain", so what to do? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 14:35, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Not mentioned in the target article. --Un assiolo (talk) 13:36, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
(video game character)
Turbo HD
- Turbo HD → Super Street Fighter II Turbo HD Remix (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
vague term, apparently mostly used for cameras cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 14:18, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- should also mention hd remix, a seemingly vague term, which ssf2thdr seems to be the primary topic of by... a lot. not nominating it though cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 16:04, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
Super Turbo
- Super Turbo → Super Street Fighter II Turbo (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
a vague term with no clear primary topic (or at least not one that has an article), and doesn't seem to be a common abbreviation for ssf2t outside of street fighter discussions cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 14:15, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
SSFII
super smash flash 2 is a game that also exists and has ssf2 as a redirect to it. leave as is (give or take a hatnote) since super Streets™ 2 is "a little more popular" than super smash flash 2, dabify, or retarget this to super smash flash 2 since it seems the acronym is more commonly used to refer to it? i'm kind of leaning towards the first option because of the roman numeral, but eh cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 14:09, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
Turbo Edition
- Turbo Edition → Street Fighter II (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
was going to retarget to sf2 turbo, but then i remembered... other things have turbo editions as well. some motorola phones, racing game remasters, cars, etc. now i'm torn between deleting and dabifying cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 14:02, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
Perfect victory
- Perfect victory → Street Fighter II (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
a term used for winning a round without being hit, used in pretty much every fighting game that doesn't call it "flawless" instead. surprisingly, though, there seems to be an actual primary topic for this term. more surprisngly, that primary topic seems to be light yagami. not sure if it should be retargeted to him or to fighting game (and adding a mention) cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 13:28, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Topic not mentioned in any of the possible pages, and I don't think it would be particularly due weight to include it. Rusalkii (talk) 19:28, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. While Light Yagami is the most common result in my searches, it doesn't rise to the level of primary topic. Looking for where it is mentioned on Wikipedia we get Kanzen Shouri Daiteioh (partial title match for the literal translation of the title), the middle of a long quote at Søren Kierkegaard#Journals, Samurai Deeper Kyo'#Episodes (title of episode 16), Sucker Punch (2011 film)#Plot, Darren Manning#International career, none of which are more than passing mentions, and titles of sources at Paul Collingwood, Sayo Hayakawa and Manchester United F.C. 9–0 Ipswich Town F.C.. Thryduulf (talk) 11:01, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate between Light Yagami and Fighting game. It’s a plausible term for either one. 24.126.165.174 (talk) 11:14, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
Virginia & truckee 11, reno
- Virginia & truckee 11, reno → Virginia and Truckee 11 Reno (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Unlikely capitalization & punctuation combination Rusalkii (talk) 05:49, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- delete. the capitalization is fine, who cares, but i have no idea what that comma is doing there cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 14:13, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep since it's not ambiguous, but it is a bit unlikely. Steel1943 (talk) 19:44, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep per Steel. It's unlikely but not completely implausible for this to be copied from a construction like "the virginia & truckee 11, reno, was...". Thryduulf (talk) 11:04, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
Girl Toad
- Girl Toad → List of Mario franchise characters#Toadette (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned in the target. This term is not mentioned anywhere on Wikipedia either. Mia Mahey (talk) 19:06, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep as plausible {{R from incorrect name}}. Steel1943 (talk) 19:58, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- "Girl Toad" is more likely to refer to a female toad than a fictional Mario character. Mia Mahey (talk) 20:45, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- "Girl" is an anthropomorphic word, so not likely. Steel1943 (talk) 20:50, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- No more likely to refer to the Mario franchise Toads than real toads. Mia Mahey (talk) 21:19, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- The "Toad" characters in the Mario franchise are anthropomorphic; actual toads are not. Steel1943 (talk) 21:32, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- No more likely to refer to the Mario franchise Toads than real toads. Mia Mahey (talk) 21:19, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- "Girl" is an anthropomorphic word, so not likely. Steel1943 (talk) 20:50, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- "Girl Toad" is more likely to refer to a female toad than a fictional Mario character. Mia Mahey (talk) 20:45, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: reasonable search term. C F A 💬 20:06, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- The only mentions of "Girl Toad" on Wikipedia are those related to this discussion, suggesting that this is not a reasonable search term. Mia Mahey (talk) 23:03, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- That doesn't really matter. It could still be a reasonable search term even if it isn't mentioned anywhere on Wikipedia. Someone could type "Girl Toad" into the search bar. It has received 700 page views throughout its history, suggesting it has been used at least a few times. Regardless, redirects are cheap. No reason this should be deleted. C F A 💬 23:25, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Unless a mention on the target can be added with a reliable source, this redirect should be deleted, as there is currently no information about "Girl Toad" on Wikipedia. Mia Mahey (talk) 23:31, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- It is still a reasonable search term, whether or not it is mentioned in the target article. C F A 💬 23:33, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Please provide a reliable source that uses "Girl Toad" referring to Toadette. Otherwise, this redirect is WP:OR and should be deleted. Mia Mahey (talk) 23:34, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Sure, it may be synthesis to a certain extent, but redirects are not required to be "correct" or neutral. If you google "girl toad", the first result is Toadette, indicating it is the correct target and a plausible search term. C F A 💬 23:39, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- The Google Search results for "girl toad" are not from reliable sources. Half of them are unrelated to Toadette. Mia Mahey (talk) 23:51, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- I didn't say they were, but it still shows that it is a plausible search term. If you really think this is an issue, I would also support a disambiguation page with Toadette and Toad (frog). C F A 💬 23:57, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- The Google Search results for "girl toad" are not from reliable sources. Half of them are unrelated to Toadette. Mia Mahey (talk) 23:51, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Sure, it may be synthesis to a certain extent, but redirects are not required to be "correct" or neutral. If you google "girl toad", the first result is Toadette, indicating it is the correct target and a plausible search term. C F A 💬 23:39, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Please provide a reliable source that uses "Girl Toad" referring to Toadette. Otherwise, this redirect is WP:OR and should be deleted. Mia Mahey (talk) 23:34, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- It is still a reasonable search term, whether or not it is mentioned in the target article. C F A 💬 23:33, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Unless a mention on the target can be added with a reliable source, this redirect should be deleted, as there is currently no information about "Girl Toad" on Wikipedia. Mia Mahey (talk) 23:31, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- That doesn't really matter. It could still be a reasonable search term even if it isn't mentioned anywhere on Wikipedia. Someone could type "Girl Toad" into the search bar. It has received 700 page views throughout its history, suggesting it has been used at least a few times. Regardless, redirects are cheap. No reason this should be deleted. C F A 💬 23:25, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- The only mentions of "Girl Toad" on Wikipedia are those related to this discussion, suggesting that this is not a reasonable search term. Mia Mahey (talk) 23:03, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- the redirect seems vague. there are other distinctly female toads, mostly in the rpgs. it's like if "female human" redirected to hillary clinton or something. for now, i'd say return to red until zess t. is covered cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 13:47, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep I think it's plausible search term for those who forgot the name Toadette. The title is capitalized (WP:DIFFCAPS), indicating a proper noun, and "girl" is an anthromorphic term. Wikipedia has no article on any fictional female toads. Ca 15:12, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment Google results seems split about 50/50 between various real-life female frogs and Toadette. We also don't have any content of female toads in particular, the cloests is Frog#Reproduction. Rusalkii (talk) 19:33, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
Toad Town
Not mentioned in the target. Mia Mahey (talk) 19:10, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: appears to be used frequently and is pointed to the appropriate target. C F A 💬 20:19, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Redirecting terms to articles where the term is not mentioned is confusing to readers. Mia Mahey (talk) 20:41, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- to my knowledge, it only really ever pops up with this exact name in the rpgs (and the movie), and seems more closely associated with paper mario than mario & luigi. not sure if that warrants keeping, but i'll go with an overwhelmingly strong eh cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 13:40, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
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MAGA tourist
- MAGA tourist → January 6 United States Capitol attack#Participants and response (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned in target article, leaving the connection between this specific phrase and the target unclear. Though MAGA is a rather known phrase, the use of the phrasing of the redirect on third party engines doesn't return results for "MAGA", but rather returns results for tourism in cities named "Maga". Steel1943 (talk) 19:33, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. This term is used to help categorize people involved in the events of January 6, 2021 at the U.S. Capitol. For example, see Lucas, Ryan. “Where the Jan. 6 insurrection investigation stands, one year later”, NPR (6 Jan 2022): “In the past year, the FBI and the public have learned a lot about who the rioters were and what motivated them, and they fall into three general categories. The first are the so-called MAGA tourists. These are Trump supporters who entered the Capitol but didn't engage in violence or destroy property.” If there are other significant uses of this term, then I’d recommend a disambiguation page. Anythingyouwant (talk) 08:05, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
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Theoretical high pixel count images
- Yottapixel image → Gigapixel image (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Yottapixel → Gigapixel image (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Zettapixel image → Gigapixel image (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Zettapixel → Gigapixel image (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Exapixel image → Gigapixel image (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Exapixel → Gigapixel image (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Petapixel image → Gigapixel image (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned in target, and contents of the gigapixel article doesn't contain any technical relevance that would be applicable to peta-, exa-, zetta-, or yottapixel images. The size difference between a gigapixel image and a yottapixel image is huge - printed at 300dpi (standard magazine quality print), a gigapixel image would be about the size of a kingsize bed, while a yottapixel image would have about the same surface area as Neptune, and (if stored at 24bits/pixel) would require 6000x the storage capacity of all of AWS to store it as a png.
Note: Petapixel was recently listed at RFD and deleted, but that had different circumstances because of the existence of the unrelated article PetaPixel. BugGhost🦗👻 15:50, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- These seem like plausible search terms; someone may be curious to see if these higher designations exist or are used for anything. jp×g🗯️ 00:45, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - I still feel the same way I felt about the previous RfD. Basically, if some sci-fi or otherwise speculative writer mentions an absurdly large SI-prefix referring to the size of an image, then the reader should be able to look up the concept of "absurdly large image" on wikipedia, even if the exact level of "absurdly large" is not specifically mentioned. Fieari (talk) 00:13, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep. I find Fieari's argument convincing. Thryduulf (talk) 18:46, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Per WP:PANDORA and the fact that these aren't common things to exist right now. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 15:56, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- I implore you to read lunamann's essay. mwwv ∫edits 16:29, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- WP:PANDORA is misleading nonsense that contradicts WP:OTHERSTUFF and causes far more harm than the redirects it advocates deleting. How common these images are is irrelevant - what matters is that people who want to read about them can find the relevant article. Thryduulf (talk) 20:22, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete (but keep Petapixel) with a potential exception for Petapixel image if well-sourced information about petapixel (e.g. 40M x 25M) images in particular can be found anywhere within the mainspace. – MrPersonHumanGuy (talk) 19:28, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
Tracel
- Tracel → Parenteral nutrition#minerals (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Useless redirect. The redirect points to a non-existent paragraph. That could be corrected. However, the target string 'tracel' is nowhere found on the page, and there is no obvious reference to a drug trade name. Recommend Deletion. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:48, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete for now as it is confusing. I'm getting hits from different companies ranging from AI to agriculture in my GSearch --Lenticel 01:06, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
Zelda Games in Development
- Zelda Games in Development → The Legend of Zelda (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No such list at the target. In addition, the existence of the redirect could potentially lead readers to believe that at least one Zelda game is in development at all times, which cannot be guaranteed to be true. Steel1943 (talk) 01:15, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
Cock (slang)
Windproof umbrella
The word "windproof" is mentioned nowhere in the target article. That, and without context, such a topic seems difficult to define since the target is meant to protect the user from various elements, including wind ... which means the umbrella itself isn't windproof ... it just blocks wind ... and even then, without proper harnesses, it may fly away. Steel1943 (talk) 00:44, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom --Lenticel 02:38, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- Windproof umbrellas are designed to resist being destroyed by high winds. Refine to Umbrella#Modern use, which describes some of those efforts. - Eureka Lott 21:32, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep A well-known and heavily used form of umbrella. If there is no information on it in the article, that's a gross omission that should be fixed. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 23:37, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
Eli Kowaz
- Eli Kowaz → Israel Policy Forum#Eli Kowaz (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned in target. There was a lot (probably too much) content on him earlier, which was removed by User:IPFcomms with the rationale that he was no longer with the org. Unsure if content on him should be in the article, but if it isn't the redirect should be deleted. Rusalkii (talk) 23:26, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. The AfD provided grist to doubt his notability even with the IPF; now that he's no longer there it makes no sense for the redirect to be to IPF. Longhornsg (talk) 23:46, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment @CFA restored the section covering Eli Kowaz, with justification "Restoring section removed by promotional editor". If the section is kept (which I think it shouldn't be, see e.g. LinkedIn confirming he is no longer at the company), the redirect should be too. Rusalkii (talk) 19:43, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
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Support for President Donald Trump by white Americans
- Support for President Donald Trump by white Americans → Donald Trump 2016 presidential campaign#Supporter demographics (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- White support for Donald Trump → Donald Trump 2016 presidential campaign#Supporter demographics (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- White support of donald trump → Donald Trump 2016 presidential campaign#White nationalists and white supremacists (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Couple of concerns with these redirects' wordings:
- It's odd that a redirect with this phrasing targets 1 of 4 presidential campaign pages related to Donald Trump running for president. How can there be any guarantee readers searching this phrase are looking for this target?
- Specific to the current target, the first redirect contains the phrase "President Donald Trump"; Donald Trump was not a President until after the 2016 campaign.
Steel1943 (talk) 20:20, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Perhaps Racial views of Donald Trump would be a better target? Nightscream (talk) 21:59, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Not particularly. The redirects allude to groups of people who support for Donald Trump, not Donald Trump's views that could potentially be racist. Steel1943 (talk) 05:09, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
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Support for Donald Trump
- Support for Donald Trump → Trumpism (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The redirect does not seem to identify or describe the target. The target is more about ideologies, and not about those who support Donald Trump. There may be a plausible target out there, but I'm not sure. Steel1943 (talk) 20:16, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- The target is Trumpism, which is indeed a reasonable description. Nightscream (talk) 21:55, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep The article is about Trump's ideology and those of his supporters. The lede makes it pretty clear that the two are inextriacbly linked, and there doesn't seem to be a better target. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 15:51, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Opinion polling on the Donald Trump administration with a hatnote to Trumpism. Our article on Trumpism is not about supporting Donald Trump, but the ideology that spawned from him. Ca 16:03, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep. I think Ca's suggestion is plausible but that the original target is better. -- asilvering (talk) 01:58, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
Brock Harrison
- Brock Harrison → Brock (Pokémon) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
i do not want to elaborate on how many layers of obscure fanon this is, so i hope the explanation can begin and end at "that's fanmade" cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 16:13, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment there's apparently an old interview featuring Brock's VA where he mentions this information, but it seems pretty trivial regardless. Linking the archived link of the interview that I could find, but admittedly I'm not sure if this would sway anything either way. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 18:27, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- ...huh. won't debate the canonicity of that (debatable as its canonicity is, see word of saint paul on tv tropes), but i will suggest not risking adding it to avoid enabling that side of the pokémon fandom fanfic fandom cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 01:15, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as very obscure synonym even if true --Lenticel 02:42, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I don't intend to vote on this, but it is plausable that the surname was given to the character in some international dubbings. At least I personally have a recollection of this being the case and thus the R being a plausable search term, but it would be very difficult to verify now, due to a need to search potential distorted/localised alterations of the name. Respublik (talk) 21:11, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
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2024 assassination attempt
- 2024 assassination attempt → Attempted assassination of Donald Trump (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Too general. MSMST1543 (talk) 02:03, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
Redirect to List of assassinations or another article. There is no reason to believe that this, only 24ish hours after the news broke, will be the primary topic, and so a redirect should not have been created. I suspect there have also been quite a few attempted assassinations in 2024 that didn't occur in the USA, and so this could also be considered a US centric redirect. Failing a redirect, it should be deleted -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez (User/say hi!) 02:10, 15 July 2024 (UTC)- As others have pointed out, there isn't really a good redirect target now, so I'm clarifying my !vote to support a disambiguation page being created at this page to list assassination (attempts) in 2024. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez (User/say hi!) 03:56, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- I am against this redirect. The world doesn't revolve around America and its internal politics. This would perpetuate America-centric systemic bias on the site. JDiala (talk) 02:11, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: I suppose this could be redirected to List of people who survived assassination attempts, though there is only one other attempt in 2024 listed on that article (an attempt on a South Korean MP). Attempted assassination of Donald Trump is clearly the primary topic at this point in the year, and we're not supposed to speculate on if that will change in the future. It is also a very plausible search term. C F A 💬 02:12, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- We aren't supposed to speculate either way. And it's obvious that calling something the primary topic "this point in the year" violates WP:RECENTISM. We don't change, or even create, redirects just because something is what you think is the primary topic right now. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez (User/say hi!) 02:17, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Sure, you could argue it is recentism, but common sense is also useful here. This was an attempted assassination on a former US president, arguably the most powerful person in the world. It was the first time anything like this happened in more than 40 years. This is not a US news story, it's an international news story. Regardless, I'm not opposed to a redirect to the list. C F A 💬 02:24, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Common sense does not mean US-centric common sense. Your entire argument here is based on a US centric view that the only important assassination (attempt) in 2024 is the one against the former president of the US. And that's why I'm !voting to redirect to another topic or delete. Because that's not a valid argument. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez (User/say hi!) 02:32, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- As I pointed out, there were only two assassination attempts in 2024 (so far) notable enough to be included in the list above. It's not really a US-centric approach because an assassination attempt against a former world leader (of arguably the most powerful country in the world) will inherently be more significant than the majority of other attempts, both in the country of origin and internationally. This was a story that was reported in local newspapers around the world. If a former president of South Korea and a congressman in the US were both targeted in assassination attempts, the one against the former president would be the primary topic. This doesn't have much to do with local bias. C F A 💬 02:45, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Common sense does not mean US-centric common sense. Your entire argument here is based on a US centric view that the only important assassination (attempt) in 2024 is the one against the former president of the US. And that's why I'm !voting to redirect to another topic or delete. Because that's not a valid argument. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez (User/say hi!) 02:32, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Sure, you could argue it is recentism, but common sense is also useful here. This was an attempted assassination on a former US president, arguably the most powerful person in the world. It was the first time anything like this happened in more than 40 years. This is not a US news story, it's an international news story. Regardless, I'm not opposed to a redirect to the list. C F A 💬 02:24, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- We aren't supposed to speculate either way. And it's obvious that calling something the primary topic "this point in the year" violates WP:RECENTISM. We don't change, or even create, redirects just because something is what you think is the primary topic right now. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez (User/say hi!) 02:17, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete or dabify. It's not even the only attempt with its own article in 2024 (Robert Fico). Yet another example of Americentrism. LilianaUwU 02:48, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks. I knew I had seen another attempted assassination of a head of state/leader of a country in 2024, but I couldn't pinpoint it. For clarity, this fact should be considered part of my argument above. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez (User/say hi!) 02:50, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- This is valid argument. I missed Robert Fico because he was not in the list of people who survived assassination attempts. There is no clear primary topic so I change my vote to disambiguate. C F A 💬 02:51, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate per Liliana, as Trump is not the only assassination attempt in 2024. Di (they-them) (talk) 03:20, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate: Yes, because there have been other attempts on other people, Trump isn't the center of the universe, and Wikipedia should not be so heavily focused on the US perspective etc. 72.14.126.22 (talk) 03:54, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy delete Robert Fico, Lee Jae-Myung, probably a dozen Russian businessmen, Volodymyr Zelenskyy and Mohammed Deif (for the umpteenth time) all can lay claim to that title. The US isn't special in that regard. Bremps... 05:45, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per Bremps, or dabify at List of assassination attempts in 2024 or similar. Rosbif73 (talk) 09:28, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- This RfD concerns the fate of the page at the exact name of "2024 assassination attempt". A redirect is defined by its name. An RfD isn't needed to create new pages. About your idea for a new page: A page titled "List of assassination attempts in 2024" would be a list, not a dab. —Alalch E. 11:45, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate: as per above comments Lordseriouspig 10:11, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete or disambig per above. This is too general to redirect to a single instance, the attempted assassination of Robert Fico, the prime minister of Slovakia, happened this year too (I've added it to the list article above, no idea why it wasn't there already). Google searches indicate that there have also been (events described as) assassination attempts made on Mohammed Deif and Volodymyr Zelensky at least. Thryduulf (talk) 11:05, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- My addition was reverted because, despite the article title, it isn't a list of people but a list of people who weren't current heads of state or government (the latter having a separate list). See also my proposed merger of the two lists. I oppose retargetting this redirect to either list. Thryduulf (talk) 23:37, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete or retarget to anchor in List of people who survived assassination attempts. I created 2020 assassination attempt to illustrate (I don't think that this redirect and other such redirects are / would be especially good, but this not a WP:POINTed creation, as it is within acceptable bounds from my perspective). Oppose dab. A dab would practically duplicate the list, and WP:NOTDUP does not apply to disambiguation pages when the same content is served in a list (not a different navigation method—the navigation method provided would be essentially the same).—Alalch E. 11:42, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- The issue with a redirect is that there are two separate attempted assassination lists: List of people who survived assassination attempts and List of heads of state and government who survived assassination attempts. "2024 assassination attempt" does not refer to either one specifically so a redirect would be completely arbitrary. Thryduulf has proposed these two lists be merged, which I support, but unless that happens a disambiguation page would be the best option. Nothing is duplicated in this case when there are two separate all-time lists. C F A 💬 17:15, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete I agree its too generic since as noted there have been others. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:12, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:BIAS; search results would handle this fine without needing to manually compile a separate search index, which also would undoubtedly suffer from systemic bias based on several comments here. Ivanvector (/Edits) 19:04, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to List of people who survived assassination attempts where there are two relevant cases --Lenticel 00:14, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- There is a third relevant case at List of heads of state and government who survived assassination attempts, neither is primary over the other. This is why I have (a) proposed merging (please give your input!) and (b) oppose retargetting to either one. Thryduulf (talk) 11:38, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Dabify between the appropriate lists only rather than individuals/specific events. Per nom, the term is to generic to estimate what a person might be searching for, and generally an editor wanting a list of specifics should create, well, such a list with all the relevant requirements fulfilled, but the search term is plausable and spefific enough to have a DAB page to guide them towards locating that specific article. Respublik (talk) 20:54, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - I'm not convinced that the proposed disambiguations or redirections would be consistently helpful to reader, in part due to the vagueness of "attempt". Search results seem safer than compiling an ad hoc set index of assassination attempts in 2024. signed, Rosguill 19:39, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete or retarget to a dab page for assassination attempts in 2024. - Worthlessly vague and too US-centric. Just ask any PIA regulars. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v 18:35, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Ambiguous and likely to cause confusion. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 15:02, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, basically per Rosguill. -- asilvering (talk) 01:59, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
Template:Chilodontidae-stub
- Template:Chilodontidae-stub → Template:Chilodontaidae-gastropod-stub (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Unused. Chilodontidae is a former spelling (now regarded as incorrect) for a gastropod family. Chilodontidae is a current, correct spelling for a fish family. See the Chilodontidae dab page. Template redirect uses the spelling for the fish family to redirect to a stub sorting template for the gastropod family Plantdrew (talk) 02:00, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Did you mean that Chilodontidae is a current, correct spelling for a fish family? jlwoodwa (talk) 01:51, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Whoops, yes. Fixed the spelling above. Plantdrew (talk) 19:51, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
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German Expressionist
- German Expressionist → German expressionist cinema (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- German expressionist → German expressionist cinema (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- German Expressionists → German expressionist cinema (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- German Expressionism → Expressionism#In Germany and Austria (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- German expressionism → German expressionist cinema (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
German expressionist cinema is a film movement that emerged from a German expressionist movement in the visual arts. I think the best solutions would either be retargeting to Expressionism, since it's more broadly defined to include cinema and other media, or turn German expressionism/German Expressionism into a disambiguation page. hinnk (talk) 18:51, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Since we lack an article on the topic, all of these should align with German Expressionism and target Expressionism#In_Germany_and_Austria. German expressionism can be tagged as a {{r with possibilities}}. - Eureka Lott 14:54, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- In which case the other redirects should be marked as {{R avoided double redirect}} of the one with possibilities so they get retargetted when the article is written. Thryduulf (talk) 16:58, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
Skeletor (Marvel Comics)
- Skeletor (Marvel Comics) → Taskmaster (character) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
honestly, not even nominating this to see it deleted or retargeted to some actual instance of skeletor in a marvel comic (i didn't find any, but i'm not that good at looking, so eh), i'm just doing it because it's funny. not a common comparison from what i've seen though cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 18:04, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - I would not be surprised if Taskmaster's usual nemesis used this name to insult him given his usual appearance takes some cues from Skeletor, but the Masters of the Universe comics were never done by Marvel - they were done by DC Comics. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v 18:40, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
Le Cartel
- Le Cartel → Mother Russia Bleeds (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Le Cartel Studio → Mother Russia Bleeds (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
These redirects should be deleted. The developer's name and a typo are being redirected to its first notable game; the article itself mentions the developer's history but the redirect is barely used outside of articles for its games as well as game list articles. I do not believe it will be used enough to deserve a redirect of its own, like most other independent developers with notable games with their own articles. MimirIsSmart (talk) 06:05, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: the article itself mentions the developer's history is ample reason to keep the redirect. You could at most argue WP:XY because the studio's other game, Heave Ho, also has an article. A typo is not in sight. IceWelder [✉] 10:10, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
Su85b
No mention on the target page. The tank does appear to be real though, so maybe a mention could be added to the article? Only source I can find on it though is an article on a website called "Warspot" that doesn't seem to have much fact checking. ― Blaze Wolfblaze__wolf 04:19, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- It's definitely a thing, even though most of the many English-language hits relate to its appearance in World of Tanks (most commonly rendered as "SU-85b" the hyphenless version does get plenty of hits) it is not just we have a picture at File:СУ-85Б.webp which led to my discovering the Russian and Ukrainian Wikipedias have articles about it. There is a mention at List of armoured fighting vehicles by country#Soviet Union, but that doesn't say more than that it was based on the SU-76 prototype; SU-76#Variants has a sentence. Draft:SU-85B was deleted under G13 in 2020, but it was just a single sentence "The SU-85B was a prototype Soviet tank destroyer based on the SU-76.". If we decide not to delete this then SU-85B should be created as a redirect to the same target, but what target that would be or whether deletion per WP:REDLINK would be better I don't know. Thryduulf (talk) 10:55, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to SU-76 where it is mentioned as a variant. Schützenpanzer (Talk) 13:52, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
Foreign language redirects to Kamala Harris
- 賀錦麗 → Kamala Harris (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- He Jinli → Kamala Harris (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- 贺锦丽 → Kamala Harris (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Delete per WP:R#DELETE #8 In particular, redirects in a language other than English to a page whose subject is unrelated to that language. estar8806 (talk) ★ 23:58, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Note I've merged these related nominations that had an identical rationale. Thryduulf (talk) 10:35, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete all per nom and WP:FORRED. Kamala Harris has no particular affinity with Chinese (traditional, transliterated or simplified respectively). Thryduulf (talk) 10:38, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete We just don't go around and create redirects using different alphabets. Harris is not associated with China in any shape or form, which makes the existence of these redirects even more meaningless. Keivan.f 13:16, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep based on Sun8908's rationale at the original RfD. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 13:56, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Most, if not all, Chinese-language sources in the US, UK, Hong Kong, and Taiwan use 賀錦麗 as Harris' name. Seconding Sun8908's rationale on the original RfD. Bailmoney27 20:13, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
UK & Europe Tour 2024
- UK & Europe Tour 2024 → Big Time Rush (group) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Generic name - while this is a common hit, the first Google result is a Hozier tour, and the first page includes several other UK & Europe Tour 2024s. Either delete or disambiguate. Rusalkii (talk) 23:49, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Definitely there is several other UK and Europe tours, also name is too generic. HorrorLover555 (talk) 04:49, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Too generic to be a useful disambiguation page. Thryduulf (talk) 10:39, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
Marquis Elmdor
- Marquis Elmdor → Final Fantasy Tactics (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Hashmalum → Final Fantasy Tactics (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Wiegraf → Final Fantasy Tactics (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Altima (Final Fantasy Tactics) → Final Fantasy Tactics (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Delete all. Were once redirects to Characters of Final Fantasy Tactics, that got redirected to Final Fantasy Tactics and they are no longer mentioned in the article. Article is FA-class so it's unlikely that they are ever going to be added to the article. Mika1h (talk) 23:47, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Video games-related deletion discussions. Mika1h (talk) 16:43, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
Stand (weapon)
- Stand (weapon) → JoJo's Bizarre Adventure#Stands (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
...this is a confusing one. stands are not themselves inherently weapons. they are physical manifestations of the fighting spirit that sometimes have hands with which one may point at things so hard they explode. some, like emperor and anubis, take the shape of weapons (a gun and sword respectively), and heritage for the future has "weapon stand" fighters (though that's a mechanical term, and two of the three weapon stand fighters' stands are vines and a shadow), but most stands don't, are not exclusively used as weapons and nothing else, or considered weapons and nothing else. some, like pearl jam and thoth (a food enhancer and book respectively), lack direct combat use entirely. all of this is to say that i think music stands can more easily be used to whack things cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 19:23, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment, leaning keep my first thought was it sounds possibly plausible for someone looking for what you describe to use this search term to try and find it, especially if they only half remember it (which is a reason why they might be looking it up), which leans to keeping. My second thought was stands for weapons, the only article we have on that I've found is Weapon mount but I'm not certain that is a great search-target combination even ignoring the present target (but neither am I certain it isn't great; FWIW it's not mentioned at Stand (disambiguation)). Thryduulf (talk) 21:41, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Vague. Better to let the search function do its thing. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 19:46, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - The only real target I can think of is JoJo's Bizarre Adventure: Heritage for the Future, where there is a "Weapon Stand" classification. But even then, this would be worthless as a redirect there as that information's a bit too in-depth and the term is never used in the article itself. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v 18:29, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
Ruvaush
Not mentioned in the target article ... and I'm not sure if it should be or not. Per search engines, this word refers to a Romany word for the target. In addition, in the target page's talk page archives, Talk:Werewolf/Archive 1#Ruvaush refers to what this word possibly is/means. There may be value in adding this word back into the article somewhere, but I'm not even sure if the redirect refers to a similar-enough subject to the target, in addition to not being sure if the redirect has any WP:FORRED issues (but most likely not since it seems the concept of "werewolf" may have Romany roots.) Steel1943 (talk) 21:14, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
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Vemront
I think this is an unlikely misspelling. I hope I'm not wasting people's time instead of just R3ing, but I figured I should probably err on the side of the caution. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 04:11, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - plausible misspelling, redirects are cheap BugGhost🦗👻 09:20, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Surprised by below claims that this typo is implausible (it's just a simple transposition), so I'll elaborate here to not appear like a cop-out reasoning. I don't feel very strongly about this either way, but with stuff like this my logic is that someone made it, so they likely thought it was useful (see WP:RFD#KEEP #5 -
Someone finds them useful. Hint: If someone says they find a redirect useful, they probably do.
). I don't think deleting it is useful. If someone searches "Vemront", the deleters here are saying that Wikipedia should just shrug it's shoulders and say "nope, no idea what you mean by that". Would I have created this redirect? No. Would I delete it after someone else has made it? Also no. I don't think slippery slope pandora's box arguments are very persuasive (see this essay). Nobody gains anything from deleting it - there's not a competing place for this redirect to target, and there's no confusion about where they are intending to go to. Wikipedia is not better from deleting it, we should give this redirect (and ones like it) little thought, keep and move on. I don't think saying "redirects are cheap" should be controversial, because they are cheap, and so deleting stuff like "Vemront" → "Vermont" isn't particularly productive BugGhost🦗👻 20:18, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Surprised by below claims that this typo is implausible (it's just a simple transposition), so I'll elaborate here to not appear like a cop-out reasoning. I don't feel very strongly about this either way, but with stuff like this my logic is that someone made it, so they likely thought it was useful (see WP:RFD#KEEP #5 -
- Keep - I tend to agree with BugGhost. Indeed, I created the redirect after having accidentally transposed the letters while typing quickly,
- Were it likely to direct a user to the wrong page (where Vemront was plausibly related to a page unrelated to Vermont), I would feel differently. But I am unaware of such a similarly named page.
- But my feelings aren't particularly strong on the matter and, with reasonable counter-arguments, it wouldn't be all that difficult to persuade me otherwise.
- Trackerwannabe (talk) 16:25, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
Changing my opinion to a Weak Keep. There is an author by the name of Ann Vremont and (what appears to be) a real estate agency named Vremont.- It turns out that Vremont is a misspelling of Vemront (which, in its turn, is a mistyping of Vermont.) Sadly, I seem to be an expert in typos. :-/
- Trackerwannabe (talk) 11:37, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy delete WP:R3, unlikely typo. Also per WP:PANDORA, the number of possible redirects from simple transpositions probably pushes well over 100 million. What makes this one so special? 35.139.154.158 (talk) 16:53, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
I don't know how special this makes it, but the E and R keys are adjacent to each other on the QUERTY keyboard, which may have contributed to my mistyping it. I imagine that restricting such transpositions to adjacent keys would significantly reduce the estimate of resulting redirects. Restricting them to common two-letter combinations (of which this is one) would likely lower the estimate even further.- That rationale would have made sense were we talking about "Vremont" → "Vermont, but we're discussing "Vemront" → "Vermont."
- Trackerwannabe (talk) 11:50, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Created about two weeks ago, unlikely misspelling, should be {{Db-r3}} eligible if its deletion wasn't controversial. Also, citing WP:CHEAP is starting to turn into a cop-out from actually explaining why something should be kept, and is beginning to become as controversial as citing WP:PANDORA. (Sorry IP above me!) Steel1943 (talk) 17:34, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- I would distinguish between misspelled words and mistyped words. (Though I grant that there is a degree of overlap between the two.) As Wikipedia is often searched by typing, I would posit that having redirects for commonly mistyped words is useful. Unfortunately, I know of no way of determining how likely a specific mistyping of word is likely occur.
- Trackerwannabe (talk) 18:28, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- I wanted to be on the safe side now that I have buttons 😅 I did feel confident enough to delete a similar redirect outright (List of amphibians of Vemront). Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 01:47, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as implausable, Google search in quotes returns a bit for the state but some of the results may not be an it doesn't seem to indicate its likely. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:07, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep, it seems like a relatively common typo that only ever refers to the state. Rusalkii (talk) 02:18, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
Trundling
R. Tucker
Slender man murder
Outsmart
that's a common word. what do? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 19:03, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- This appears to be the only item in the encyclopedia that uses this exact title. I recommend refining the link to Neil Cicierega#Discography and adding a hatnote to the discography section of the target article linking to OutSmart. - Eureka Lott 14:28, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
world but with numbers!
Red neckrampage the game
Duty calls
Duke Nukem Whenever
Extraction Point: Alien Shootout.
Duke nukem for never
Duke 4
Duke Nukem (company names!)
Pig cop
similarly to doom not actually having invented demons or shotguns, duke nukem 3d didn't invent the concept of comparing american police to raw bacon. they're also a recurring enemy in the series, so it would probably be better off retargeted to the series' article anyway cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:03, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- wait, found the primary topic, it's in list of police-related slang terms, under p, so i'll vote for retargeting there. shoutouts to the unsourced mention of duki nuki there cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:15, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - Redirecting to PRST makes no sense here as the slang term is just "pig". While pig cops are a common enemy in Duke Nukem, they're just one of a multitude of enemies designed based off of the slang (another example being literal pig cops in Pizza Tower) and so the term is too ambiguous to justify a redirect nowadays. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v 23:53, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- i thought more as in "that'd be a disambiguator without the parentheses", and it seems at least commonly used enough to warrant not banishing the redirect to brazil, but fair enough
- also the pizza tower enemies are called hamkuffs, can't believe you would overlook such an important plot point smh smh smh my head cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:26, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- To someone who has never played Pizza Tower they would call them as they sees them, and they sees porcine law enforcement officers. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v 18:21, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
Neo-newtonian
- Neo-newtonian → Spacetime (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Neo newtonian → Spacetime (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This isn't explained at the target. 1234qwer1234qwer4 08:44, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: term is not used anywhere else on Wikipedia, and I see too many varied usages in sources for it to be targeted to any specific one. This use case certainly isn't the first I would suggest. If they had to go anywhere, I would think Newtonian would make the most sense, but without the wider usage on site it feels like keeping them for the sake of keeping. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 14:23, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Newtonian as an ambiguous term: seems to be used ([4][5][6][7], etc.). A mention may be warranted somewhere. C F A 💬 20:17, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
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Wiimake
Neologism not mentioned in the target. The term is not mentioned anywhere on Wikipedia. Mia Mahey (talk) 05:40, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- I can see it (and the alternate "Wii-make") being used in some news coverage, most prominently "The Case for Wiimakes", but not nearly enough that it would demand usage in the target article or anything. Not sure it does any harm, but the use case seems limited as well. I guess I lean toward deletion, but not strongly. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 14:18, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- i would ALMOST suggest retargeting to the vaguely klonoa-shaped travesty we were cursed with in 2008 as a half-joke, as that seems to be the primary topic for the entire term (not for a good reason, mind you), but that'd be cheap. as is, no idea if it would be better to retarget it to some list of wii games, add a mention there, or delete, but i'll stick with adding a mention for now cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 14:35, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: term is mentioned in reliable sources (Nintendo Life, Wired, eurogamer.net). No reason to delete. Obviously not notable on its own but a redirect is warranted. I would support a mention at Video game remake or elsewhere, but that is not needed for this to be kept. C F A 💬 20:13, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Nintendo Wii and mention the phenomenon somewhere. It's an actual slang term formerly used for porting games to Wii while adding motion controls. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 23:36, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
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Palestien
More likely a misspelling of Palestine - CHAMPION 07:50, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Palestine - Apprently a common misspelling: [8] Ca 10:07, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to
PalestinePalestine (disambiguation). Plausible misspelling. Glades12 (talk) 12:42, 30 July 2024 (UTC) - Retarget to
PalestinePalestine (disambiguation) - plausible typo. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v 23:54, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Ca:, @Glades12:, @Jéské Couriano: Just want to note that Palestine is not an article, but another redirect which targets State of Palestine. CycloneYoris 08:23, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Ca, Glades12, Jéské Couriano. In case you didn't read my message: Palestine is not an article, so you three need to modify your !votes above. Also pinging nom to let them know: Champion. CycloneYoris 00:10, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry I read this and forgot about it. I think all the retarget supporters above meant State of Palestine. 👍 Ca 00:14, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- I did initially, since I assumed Palestine would be an article title and not a redirect. Some speakers might pronounce this misspelling differently from the region in the Middle East though, so it's probably best to send them to the disambig page where they won't be as confused in case they meant another topic than the state. Glades12 (talk) 09:10, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Palestine (disambiguation). This is a plausible misspelling of Palestine (the state) but it is also a plausible phonetic transcription for places pronounced /pælɛsˈtiːn/ (pales-TEEN) as at least some places in the US are. Thryduulf (talk) 21:58, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
Baguette City
Sand hanitizer
Calls for Joe Biden to suspend his 2024 United States presidential campaign
- Calls for Joe Biden to suspend his 2024 United States presidential campaign → Withdrawal of Joe Biden from the 2024 United States presidential election (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
List of Democrats who opposed the Joe Biden 2024 presidential campaign might be a better target. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 18:45, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Joe Biden 2024 presidential campaign#Calls to withdraw which explains the issue and has a see also link to the list. C F A 💬 19:49, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget per CFA. Thryduulf (talk) 13:03, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete too long to be a helpful redirect. IP75 (talk) 02:02, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- Why? If someone is looking for encyclopaedic information about this subject this is a very likely search term for them to use. Thryduulf (talk) 09:18, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- ...The target article has a long title as well, so I'm not understanding this argument. Steel1943 (talk) 18:44, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- (involved) I'm fine with any option, lean on keep current redirect. For context, the option CFA suggests was the redirect target until Biden actually withdrew. I thought it would be a good idea to redirect the calls to withdraw to the final result of the withdrawal. Personally, I think the content about the calls leading up to Biden's withdrawal should also be on the page about the final result. Unnamed anon (talk) 21:02, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
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Power flower
- Power flower → Super Mario 64 DS#Gameplay (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
things named "power flower" have been in three mario games so far (though they're all different things), and none of them seem to be the primary target for the term cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 17:33, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- retarget to Flower power (disambiguation) or dabify base on the see also section of the aforementioned dab page --Lenticel 03:04, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
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Republican blue
- Republican blue → Red states and blue states (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Democrat red → Red states and blue states (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Huh? * Pppery * it has begun... 05:40, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- those sound more like pokémon fangames than political terms. delete per "what" cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 13:58, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete I searched on duck.com and saw no sources using this term. Best I found is Ron Paul 2012 presidential campaign § "Blue Republican" movement Ca 16:16, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: This article explains the terms. C F A 💬 19:38, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Weak retarget Republican blue to Republican Blues. Steel1943 (talk) 21:50, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Retarget both to Political colour. Thryduulf (talk) 09:17, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Democrat red, retarget Republican blue to Republican Blues. We don't have articles on either of these topics, as those political parties don't use those colours, and judging by the stats nobody is searching for them either. Second preference is retargetting both to Political colour. BugGhost🦗👻 11:37, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- The colors used for US general presidential elections switched between red and blue prior to the 2000 US election. Republicans as blue in 1980 [9] and 1976 election. [10] I think a redirect to both red states and blue states is the most plausible version here. – The Grid (talk) 13:06, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- Democratic parties in other countries use red. Thryduulf (talk) 13:11, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
Safe state
Wrong warp
- Wrong warp → Sequence breaking (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention of "wrong warp" exists in the target. Mia Mahey (talk) 00:36, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- It's a video game glitch where a warp sends you to the wrong place. Secondary coverage is bare but passable – Ars Technica and Kotaku have a paragraph and a sentence on it respectively. They don't connect it to sequence breaking though, so it's hard to justify describing it in that article. Maybe it could go in Glossary of video game terms?
- It's also an episode of Meta Runner, but that's definitely not the primary topic. jlwoodwa (talk) 08:11, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- Actually, Ars Technica says wrong warping allows
skipping a large section of World 8-4
– sounds like sequence breaking to me. jlwoodwa (talk) 08:16, 30 July 2024 (UTC)- it's a sequence breaking glitch used in super mario bros 3 speedruns, so they're all technically correct cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 15:57, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- Actually, Ars Technica says wrong warping allows
- the term seems pretty much exclusively used to refer to a speedrunning glitch in super mario bros. 3, so i'd say retarget to it. or to speedrunning if there's no room to add a mention to any other targets cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:24, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
Keep - wrong warping is a technique/glitch where a warp (eg. through a door/loading screen/teleporter/whatever) takes you to the "wrong" place, which is used by sequence breakers. It's used in multiple Mario games (at least original SMB and SMB3, probably others), Pokemon games, Elden Ring, and others. Should be kept because a wrong warp is a way of sequence breaking. Would also be fine with retargetting to Glitching or Speedrunning if consensus leans that way. BugGhost🦗👻 11:56, 30 July 2024 (UTC)- Retarget to Warp (video games) per below - much better target BugGhost🦗👻 09:22, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Warp (video games) and add some sort of explanation. I've heard it used to describe numerous glitches in which teleportation causes a character to end up in the wrong level or area. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 22:34, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Warp (video games) and edit target to add explanation - A wrong warp, while oftentimes used in sequence breaking, isn't always beneficial (it's plausible a wrong-warp may send you back or, as in the case of World -1 in Super Mario Bros., softlock the game) and so the article on video game warps is a more reasonable target. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v 23:57, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete unless mentioned somewhere since the concept of "warp" occurs in several forms of fiction, with one of the highest to come to mind being Star Trek, warping people to the wrong place on a planet or whatever ... Steel1943 (talk) 20:52, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Hence why the retargets include adding an explanation to the target. "Wrong warp" is a common speedrunning term for exploiting a bug in a warp system to get somewhere you aren't supposed to go yet/at all. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v 18:24, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
Saint John Rivers
Wikipedia:CURRENTSECTION
Vada a bordo, cazzo!
Dara shikoh road,New Delhi.
The Hollies' Greatest Hits (1968 West German album)
- The Hollies' Greatest Hits (1968 West German album) → The Hollies (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
I can't find anything in Enwiki about a 1968 album, here, or at The Hollies discography (which in any case would be a better target). Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:27, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Hollies' Greatest, a 1968 Greatest Hits album by The Hollies that was released in Germany. Thryduulf (talk) 09:51, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget per Thryduulf - looks like that's the intended article BugGhost🪲👻 09:07, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Hollies' Greatest is a British album released by Parlophone. Per the edit history, the West German album was released by Hansa Records. The track listings are also different, which all but confirms these are different pressings. -- Tavix 16:12, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- I can't find any non–user generated sources, but I'm fairly certain that the West German album and Hollies' Greatest are in fact separate (they seem to have separate covers for one), so that is not a good retargeting option. Retargeting to the discography would be a good option if it was on there, but it's not, and I know too little about the area to properly search for sources to add it to the discography. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 21:48, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Agree with Tavix and Skarmory that there is no target. Restore and tag as unreferenced. Jay 💬 17:58, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
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Paper Bowser
- Paper Bowser → Paper Mario (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
no game under that title yet (give them time), wouldn't the list of paper mario characters be a better target? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:20, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- oh wait
- there's no section specifically for bowser there, and his article doesn't mention him in paper mario beyond "he was there". forget retargeting, i vote to delete as unhelpful cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:51, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Keeping under the idea that they might make a game with that title is pointless WP:CRYSTAL-gazing, and unfounded to boot. As it stands now, we have no information at all regarding Bowser's inclusion in the Paper Mario series, nor any other place where something might be known as 'Paper Bowser'. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 01:52, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, although he really should have a section at list of Paper Mario characters. QuicoleJR (talk) 03:26, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 15:13, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - We lack information on this topic, and shouldn't claim we have it when we don't. Sometimes the mere existence of a redirect can be informative even without a mention, but this is not one of those cases. Fieari (talk) 07:28, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam. There is some content in that article on Paper Bowser (as an independent character to boot, not just "mainstream Bowser in a paper art style"!). AFAIK Paper Jam is the only game where Paper Bowser is a character in his own right, making that game a possible target. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (Goodbye!) 08:14, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Retarget per Mellohi! above. Seems like a reasonable target and the character is mentioned in the article. C F A 💬 19:40, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Retarget per Mellohi!. For what it's worth, mariowiki:Paper Bowser agrees. jlwoodwa (talk) 22:28, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam as the most plausible redirect; outside of that game (as far as the context of Paper Mario goes) Paper Bowser is just Bowser but wafer-thin. Bowser's characterisation in the Mario RPG titles is consistently pretty much a hybrid of Professor Chaos and Ted Baxter, with Paper Jam being really the only time this characterisation changes due to there being two separate Bowsers. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v 00:07, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
Verlag für Sozialwissenschaften
- Verlag für Sozialwissenschaften → Springer Science+Business Media (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- VS Verlag für Sozialwissenschaften → Springer Science+Business Media (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
These terms do not appear in the target article. Bgsu98 (Talk) 02:33, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment It seems to be a sub-publisher of Springer Science+Business Media, that publishes German language sociology works according to this dewiki article. Ca 15:51, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Those titles still do not appear anywhere in the article. Bgsu98 (Talk) 00:06, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete until content is added, in which case they may be recreated. Jay 💬 15:35, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep one of numerous Springer imprints (see de:Springer VS). Solution here is to expand the article, not delete the redirect. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 16:08, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
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Speedy Mouse
- Speedy Mouse → Ultra-Leicht Flugtechnik Speedy Mouse (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
I searched it in Google, and most may refer to Speedy Gonzales. Should we retarget to Speedy Gonzales or make a disambiguation? 88.235.215.238 (talk) 06:32, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- I can get behind disambiguation. My google searches don't bring up either the current or suggested targets prominently though, I get a lot of mice that happen to be quick, particularly cat toys, and other random stuff. I do find hits for rollercoasters mentioned at Dream World (Thailand)#Dream Garden and Barry's Amusements#Former attractions though. Thryduulf (talk) 08:17, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete as having no good target, and to favour search results. The only decent content we have is a table entry at Barry's Amusements. Jay 💬 15:40, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
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- The search results are not helpful in this case because they do not include some likely targets, so I still think disambiguation is significantly better for readers than deletion - especially as those unhelpful search results can be up to several clicks/taps away. Thryduulf (talk) 18:47, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to a dab page per above. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v 00:09, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
Formicapunk
- Formicapunk → Cyberpunk derivatives#Cassette futurism/Formicapunk (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Cassette futurism → Cyberpunk derivatives#Cassette futurism/Formicapunk (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
These terms do not appear in the target article. Bgsu98 (Talk) 02:36, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. These terms referred to a section that was removed in April and had been tagged as unreferenced for nearly two years. - Eureka Lott 16:36, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Cassette futurism returns many results on Google, for example [11], and [12]. And besides, it looks like the target text has been restored, complete with references. The nowardays widely accepted term for this period of retro-futurism is most commonly referred to as Cassette Futurism, but the term Formicapunk has also been used (but it is not as widely used as Cassette Futurism). Formicapunk was used in the webcomic Bouletcorp by John Boulet. The original link is http://web.archive.org/web/20230623104540/https://bouletcorp.com/2011/07/07/formicapunk/ (this is an Internet archive version as the current URL doesn't work), but even so, google still brings up links to other pages that use that term. So I suspect that there are still some people out there who are aware of the term Formicapunk but not the term Cassette Fururism. But even so, I'd definitely keep the redirect for Cassette futurism, but I'm not so sure if Bouletcorp's Formicapunk cartoon is notable enough even though the term Formicapunk has taken a life of it's own. Ae-a (talk) 22:22, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete both Per WP:NEO. Seems to be an invention of TVTropes editors, and Wikipedia is not TVTropes. 80s-punk is undoubtedly a thing, but it's cited to Wikis and unreliable sources in an attempt to make the section appear merited. Until someone can come up with an actual source, it shouldn't be there. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 22:05, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- Just noting that I agree with this assessment. The redirects should be deleted and the reintroduction of the material should be reverted due to a lack of WP:RS. - Eureka Lott 21:25, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep but also consider Retarget. In the case these redirects aren't appropriate for their current article, maybe a better destination would be Retrofuturism#Genres and the redirect-category could be changed to "R with possibilities". Also, the text in the Cyberpunk derivatives#Cassette futurism/Formicapunk section could be moved there. Ae-a (talk) 00:54, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
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Template:Empty-warn
- Template:Empty-warn → Template:Db-nocontext-notice (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Confusing. Much like {{db-empty}}, one would expect it to refer to A3 or C1 but not A1 which explicitly does not apply to empty articles. Nickps (talk) 13:50, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- Weak delete I agree its ambiguous due and I'd argue C1 is more likely as a category would be more likely to be considered to be empty because although its now possible to create an empty page (it never used to be) I wouldn't expect many articles to be created that are completely empty and blanking is often done when G7 ends up being the criteria used to delete. I'd also note that Template:Empty redirects to Template:Db-empty so I'd consider deleting them both. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:08, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- I think {{empty}} is just fine as is. {{db-empty}} wraps both {{db-a3}} and {{db-c1}} and chooses which to serve depending on the namespace so there is no ambiguity there. Nickps (talk) 19:15, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- Reading your comment again, I hadn't thought of the G7 point. I guess there is an argument to be made for deletion but considering that {{db-empty}} is probably associated with A3 and C1, I'd be very hesitant to delete. Nickps (talk) 19:24, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- I think {{empty}} is just fine as is. {{db-empty}} wraps both {{db-a3}} and {{db-c1}} and chooses which to serve depending on the namespace so there is no ambiguity there. Nickps (talk) 19:15, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - Template shortcuts are quite often ambiguous. Created in 2006, then redirected here in 2012. It is included as a link in {{User:Fuhghettaboutit/Toolbox}} (which is transcluded to many user pages). No need to take any action. Shortcuts have to be learned before use anyhow, and this only affects our editors (not our readers). Prefer a retarget over deletion (if it comes to that). — GodsyCONT) 10:07, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not convenced by this argument. It's alao confusing for editors to have db-empty refer to C1 and A3 but db-empty-notice refer to A1. Every other notice template is named after the CSD template it is used with but this one alone breaks the pattern. That still makes shortcuts more difficult to learn for our editors for no benefit since most of them would know that db-a1-notice is the notice to use along with db-a1. Nickps (talk) 10:23, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- I've since made {{subst:db-empty-notice}} behave identically to {{db-empty}}, that is, it returns {{subst:db-catempty-notice}} if a category is passed to it and {{subst:db-nocontent-notice}} in all other cases. So, assuming the db-empty-notice RfD closes as "disambiguate" between these two, we should retarget there Nickps (talk) 10:14, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
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All-Star Batman and Robin
- All-Star Batman and Robin → All Star Batman & Robin, the Boy Wonder (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- All star batman and robin → All Star Batman & Robin, the Boy Wonder (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- All Star Batman and Robin → All Star Batman & Robin, the Boy Wonder (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- All-Star Batman & Robin → All Star Batman & Robin, the Boy Wonder (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
all-star batman and robin is a different goddamn comic from all star batman & robin, the goddamn boy wonder, but its only meaningful goddamn mention is in the goddamn list of batman comics, and the goddamn results seem to give goddamn priority to all star batman & robin, the goddamn boy wonder. should they be goddamn retargeted to the goddamn list of batman comics, or are they goddamn fine as is? cogsan (goddamn talk page) (goddamn contribs) 13:12, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- on that goddamn note, should i bring up all star batman and all-star batman (the only goddamn difference is a goddamn hyphen), as they have different goddamn targets, or does the goddamn exclusion of robin narrow them out of this goddamn topic? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 00:16, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment: Sorry that I don't get the references here, and I'm thinking many won't. Heck, I don't even understand the nomination statement. What's going on with these redirects? Steel1943 (talk) 14:27, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- asbar and asbartbw (what a nice acronym) are different comics, though only the latter has an article of its own. the joke is mostly that the target really loves plastering the word "goddamn" everywhere, to the point where "the goddamn batman" is an actual redirect to it cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 19:09, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
Big G
Turn into dab I find it hard to believe that Big Gemini is the primary meaning of Big G. In my experience it's most often used to refer to the gravitational constant. But there's so many things that are 'Big G' out there that I wouldn't consider any of them primary. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 13:25, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- DAB with G (might be referring to the capital letter), Gravitational constant, Big Gemini, The Big G, Gracemere (which goes to Gracemere, Queensland#Attractions), The Big G (aka Jason Giambi), and 2014 Commonwealth Games#The Big G, and maybe General Mills. There's several "Big G" pre-existing hat notes in those article that link to each other - there's enough topics to warrant a disambig. BugGhost🦗👻 16:15, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Dabify per Bugghost --Lenticel 00:27, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
Metal Mario
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 5#Metal Mario
Biden crisis
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 5#Biden crisis
Minister for Cities
- Minister for Cities → Minister for Infrastructure, Transport, Regional Development and Local Government#List of ministers for cities (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Minister for cities → Cabinet Office#Ministers and Civil Servants (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not sure if this is the best target as Minister for Cities (Australia) exists - also not sure if that is the best title for that article either. I'm not familiar with the recent political cabinet reshuffling so there might be content forking between the current target and Minister for Cities (Australia). Fork99 (talk) 02:29, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to Minister for Cities (Australia) since that article is no longer a redirect in and of itself. Aydoh8 (talk | contribs) 02:35, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- When I created the redirect (Minister for Cities), I wasn't aware that the Minister for Cities (Australia) page existed already. In that case, I am happy for the redirect to be deleted straight up or redirect to Minister for Cities (Australia). Marcnut1996 (talk) 03:32, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- I disagree – if that's the primary topic, it should be moved to the title "Minister for Cities", and if it's not the primary topic then "Minister for Cities" shouldn't redirect there. jlwoodwa (talk) 22:38, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Note I've added the lowercase Minister for cities redirect to this discussion as they should both lead to the same place. The target section of that redirect no longer mentions a minister for cities though. Thryduulf (talk) 09:07, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Set index this and similar titles seem to be created regularly in different parts of the world with none obviously primary. In a few minutes searching I found all the following:
- City Minister,
- Regional minister#Developments since 2010
- Minister for Planning (New South Wales)#Cities
- Minister for Cities (Australia)
- Minister for the Environment and Water (Australia)#List of ministers for cities and the built environment
- Angus Taylor (politician)#Assistant Minister for Cities and Digital Transformation
- Minister for Cities and Rural Areas (mentioned at Frederiksen II Cabinet#List of ministers)
- Minister for Cities, Urban Infrastructure and Population (mentioned at First Morrison ministry#Outer ministry
- Minister for cities and urban development (Cote D'Ivoire, mentioned at François Amichia)
- State Secretary for Cities (mentioned at Borne government#State Secretaries)
- Cabinet Secretary for Health, Wellbeing and Cities Strategy and a "Minister for cities" (mentioned at Cabinet Secretary for Health and Social Care (Scotland)
- (some might be duplicates, I've run out of time to sort and sanitise). Thryduulf (talk) 09:21, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate. The UK had a Minister from Cities from 2011-15, before the post was merged into other ministries, see Regional_minister#Developments_since_2010. The UK also has the similarly named City Minister (2008-present), which is actually responsible for the City of London financial district not cities, but could easily be confused. Thryduulf has found several other similarly named positions in other countries. So while the Australian post might be the extant position that most closely matches the exact redirect phrasing, it would be better if both capitalisations led to a Minister for Cities (disambiguation) page. Modest Genius 10:33, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
Sportacus 9
there are theories that robbie rotten was the previous sportacus and wore the number 9, though they have little to no evidence that could be used here. retarget to his article, keep as is, or delete as fancruft? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 18:03, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep redirect to sportacus. Robbie rotten and number 9 (sportacus 9) are not the same person. Robbie and number 9 where butting heads (see https://web.archive.org/web/20040108161211/http://www.lazytown.com/pages/about/concept/theoriginsstory.html ). Robbie later became Robbie rotten (see https://web.archive.org/web/20031225235205/http://www.lazytown.com/pages/about/concept/robbierotten.html). Number 9 (sportacus 9) has much more similarities with sportacus 10 (the current sportacus) than Robbie, so that redirect makes sense for now. Snævar (talk) 14:47, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
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- The name has been changed from "Sportacus" to "Sportacus 10" in the first sentence of article but there is no explanation and the article title has not been changed. If there is no explanation of "9" or "10" in the article, the redirect is not useful and should be deleted. Peter James (talk) 20:26, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Fixed. Snævar (talk) 07:32, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
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CheckUser
CNR. Should we retarget to Wiki#Security? Ahri Boy (talk) 06:40, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
Delete Wiki#Security has no info on checkusers or equivalent functions. Checkusers are not something which beginner editors, who might not realize the existence of the Wikipedia namespace, would search up. Ca 11:14, 5 July 2024 (UTC)Keep Actually, I am convinced by the below arguments. CheckUser is Wikipedia specific(no room for confusion), and new users may come across the term checkuser in the examples provided below. Ca 16:19, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: I think the question should be whether this is a potential useful redirect and whether it's unambiguous. I think it is, on both accounts. It being a cross-namespace redirect does not mean it's not useful. Those types of redirects aren't covered under WP:CSD R2, meaning, in certain cases, they're allowed. Hey man im josh (talk) 12:45, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- All Google results appear to be for Wikipedia and I'm not sure if there is much non Wikipedia usage. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:40, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- Note that there is also Checkuser which should also be deleted or retargeted if this is closed as delete or retarget. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:49, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per WP:NAVELGAZING - no reliable sources (that I could find) discuss the topic, therefore there is no article to be made. Our myriad of jargony internal policy documents don't serve much of a purpose for readers looking for an encyclopedia article on this topic, which we do not have. Project pages are not articles, do not have the same standards, and are written for a completely different audience. If we really want to have cross-namespace redirects from reader-space into project-space, we should do it with a soft redirect, one that will advise the reader that we do not have an encyclopedia article on the topic they're looking for, but they can click through if they really want to see how the sausage is made; just dumping them into project space unawares is frankly kind of cruel. Ivanvector (/Edits) 19:00, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Meh (weak keep). I see both sides of the argument. I agree with Ivanvector that there is likely no chance that CheckUser (be it the MediaWiki extension, the WMF implementation thereof, or anything else similar) is going to be a notable topic on its own. But I'm confused why that means that we need to delete it. We have multiple other CNRs from Main->Project, such as Administrators noticeboard (and variations), Autoconfirmed, Disambiguation page, Good article, and many more (can sift through Category:Redirects to project space to find more). Unless there's previously been a discussion that has resulted in a consensus that main->project redirects are not permitted... then what's the harm? If the topic isn't notable, there's a non-zero chance someone who, say, is checkuser blocked will simply search the term "Checkuser" on Wikipedia, and I don't think it serves them to not redirect them to our project space page explaining it. If the topic was potentially notable on its own, then making an article would be preferable - but I don't buy the argument that a blank/deleted page is better than a redirect if someone searches for it on Wikipedia. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez (User/say hi!) 21:11, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Berchanhimez: redirects from the mainspace to project space are discouraged (see WP:CNR for the background) and frequently deleted. Exceptions do exist, most commonly (but not exclusively) where it is desirable that the target page is easy to find by very new users who haven't learned about namespaces yet (administrators noticeboard and Wikipedia help are examples). The second most common is for internal aspects that people outside the project will have heard of (or assume exist) and want to look up but which don't have an encyclopaedic target (e.g. good articles). Thryduulf (talk) 01:45, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- I find it unreasonable to think that those two are things a new user would be likely to search for, and not CheckUser, when CheckUser is used as a rationale for a block or referenced on those noticeboards sometimes. I am not saying they shouldn't be discouraged, but this is one that actually makes sense, in my view. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez (User/say hi!) 02:47, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Berchanhimez: redirects from the mainspace to project space are discouraged (see WP:CNR for the background) and frequently deleted. Exceptions do exist, most commonly (but not exclusively) where it is desirable that the target page is easy to find by very new users who haven't learned about namespaces yet (administrators noticeboard and Wikipedia help are examples). The second most common is for internal aspects that people outside the project will have heard of (or assume exist) and want to look up but which don't have an encyclopaedic target (e.g. good articles). Thryduulf (talk) 01:45, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: There's nothing inherently wrong with CNRs. Our goal is to help the reader get to where they want to go. Anyone typing "CheckUser" into the search bar evidently wants to get to the project page. Deleting it is just removing a helpful, unambiguous redirect for no reason. C F A 💬 16:40, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete redirect to non-reader content. A reader would not be affected by a checkuser outcome, unless they edit. -- 65.92.247.96 (talk) 08:34, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. This is a useful CNR shortcut created by a well-established editor many years ago (2017) based on another CNR shortcut (Checkuser). That one was created by another well-established editor many years before that (2006). 1) Both are firmly "grandfathered in" CNRs, and 2) per WP:R#KEEP, R3, R4 and R5. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. 01:41, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
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metal age
- The Metal Age → Thief II (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Metal Age → Three-age system (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
different targets, and there's an article for the metal ages... which is itself divided into 3 ages, the last of which seems to be referred to as "the" metal age, even though they're grouped together because they're different metals. i'll vote for retargeting both of those to metal ages, unless someone actually knows their stuff cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 16:11, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate at Metal Age, then retarget The Metal Age there. I guess I know some stuff, and it looks like "Metal Age" or "The Metal Age" (both singular) could refer to:
- The Metal Ages (Copper, Bronze, Iron) in the traditional three age system, collectively – but this is more of a turn of phrase than a formal period [13][14][15]
- The Metal Age in the prehistory of Southeast Asia – a specific, formal period (presumably because bronze and iron arrived there simultaneously) [16][17][18][19][20][21]
- Hesiod's metallic ages (Gold, Silver, Bronze, Iron) [22][23][24]
- Thief II
- I don't see a primary topic amongst them and I'm also not sure about Metal Ages as standalone article, there's not much to say about them collectively other than that they all involved metal. @Iskandar323: What do you think? – Joe (talk) 07:54, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the ping Joe. I think they should both redirect to Metal Ages (though this should possibly move to the singular, both as best practice stylistically and apparently as the most common form in scholarship (Ngrams)). While the page as is stubby, it's for lack of attention, not for lack of material. The scholarly literature using the conceptual period grouping is considerable. The Metal Age in Southeast Asia might have a slightly different progression, but it is conceptually the same thing. Hesiod's idea within an idea mercifully has a quite different form. The Thief II title name is not something I think we need to be concerned with, any more than we need to disambiguate "resurrection" to account for the fourth installment of the Aliens franchise when directing to that topic. If a disambiguation page feels warranted, I would suggest linking to it with a hatnote from the Metal Ages page. Iskandar323 (talk) 09:56, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not too sure about combining the Metal Age of Southeast Asia and the "metal ages" of the rest of the world. In most of the Old World the Copper, Bronze, and Iron Ages are firmly distinct periods (the latter two being two of the original three ages) and referring to them together as either "the metal age" or "the metal ages" is honestly something I'd never come across until today (though Google Scholar tells me it happens). By contrast archaeologists of Southeast Asia consistently use it as a distinct, top-level period with the subdivisions early, developed, and proto-historic rather than copper, bronze, and iron. So we could write Metal Age Southeast Asia but not Metal Age Europe or Metal Age Southwest Asia because nobody really talks about that (instead we have Bronze Age Europe, Iron Age Europe). – Joe (talk) 10:57, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- Perhaps. But it's somewhat academic at this point when a Metal Age of Southeast Asia page doesn't exist yet. I think the reason why the Metal Ages are emerging more and more as a reference point is because the three-age system is a bit dated and broken and underappreciates the major technology step of metallurgy. The stone age is also, in of itself, massive – comprising the paleolithic, mesolithic and neolithic, so it's generally pretty useless and unhelpful to group that with the bronze and iron ages, which are very distinct from the former. Iskandar323 (talk) 15:22, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not too sure about combining the Metal Age of Southeast Asia and the "metal ages" of the rest of the world. In most of the Old World the Copper, Bronze, and Iron Ages are firmly distinct periods (the latter two being two of the original three ages) and referring to them together as either "the metal age" or "the metal ages" is honestly something I'd never come across until today (though Google Scholar tells me it happens). By contrast archaeologists of Southeast Asia consistently use it as a distinct, top-level period with the subdivisions early, developed, and proto-historic rather than copper, bronze, and iron. So we could write Metal Age Southeast Asia but not Metal Age Europe or Metal Age Southwest Asia because nobody really talks about that (instead we have Bronze Age Europe, Iron Age Europe). – Joe (talk) 10:57, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the ping Joe. I think they should both redirect to Metal Ages (though this should possibly move to the singular, both as best practice stylistically and apparently as the most common form in scholarship (Ngrams)). While the page as is stubby, it's for lack of attention, not for lack of material. The scholarly literature using the conceptual period grouping is considerable. The Metal Age in Southeast Asia might have a slightly different progression, but it is conceptually the same thing. Hesiod's idea within an idea mercifully has a quite different form. The Thief II title name is not something I think we need to be concerned with, any more than we need to disambiguate "resurrection" to account for the fourth installment of the Aliens franchise when directing to that topic. If a disambiguation page feels warranted, I would suggest linking to it with a hatnote from the Metal Ages page. Iskandar323 (talk) 09:56, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep "The Metal Age", specifically, clearly refers to Thief II. There's no other convincing primary topic. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 10:16, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Zxcvbnm: How do you figure that? I don't think scholarly literature refers to the game. Iskandar323 (talk) 13:41, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Disambiguate per Joe. -- 65.92.247.96 (talk) 08:32, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Dabify per Joe's idea. Seems like the best option. Schützenpanzer (Talk) 14:16, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
Nuzlocke
"Nuzlocke" is not mentioned in the target article. Nuzlocke section was removed from the article in January 2023 and seems no one objected: [25]. In 2015, Nuzlocke article was redirected to Pokémon after an AfD. Mika1h (talk) 13:16, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of video games-related deletion discussions. Mika1h (talk) 13:17, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- It seems like you didn't actually add the RfD to the delsort list. It has to be added manually over there, like this. In this case, I replaced a closed RfD with this one. Nickps (talk) 14:52, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- The redirects weren't tagged either. Nickps (talk) 17:27, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry, forgot to do that. --Mika1h (talk) 17:28, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- The redirects weren't tagged either. Nickps (talk) 17:27, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- It seems like you didn't actually add the RfD to the delsort list. It has to be added manually over there, like this. In this case, I replaced a closed RfD with this one. Nickps (talk) 14:52, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- i think a mention in gameplay of pokémon would work, but hopefully with better sources than the ones removed in that diff. put my vote on hold until i remember to look for that cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 15:54, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- I'd say re-add the information, although finding new sources would be a good improvement. On the contrary to user:Juxlos's judgement that the Nuzlocke Challenge is "nothing special" because "there are multiple fan-made modes": most of them are based on or inspired by the Nuzlocke, and AFAIK the ones that aren't come from the speedrunning community. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 17:43, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- I must note here that my removal of Nuzlocke is a WP:DUE thing, not a WP:GNG. I have no objections to its notability, though I objected to its inclusion in the main article the same way I would object to including Pokémon Sage or Pokémon Fossil Museum in the main article. Juxlos (talk) 03:40, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Information about it should be re-added to the article, it was wrongly removed. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 06:53, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- WP:RETURNTORED - Nuzlocke could easily be turned into an article, there's decent number of sources about it, eg: [26], [27], [28], [29], [30] and it's mentioned in 14 different Wikipedia articles. (My second preference would be keep/reinstate into Pokemon) BugGhost🪲👻 09:37, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Restore the previously deleted information from the current target article to this page, creating a new article here. I can see the WP:DUE weight issue with nuzlocke being in the main article, but it looks like it should pass WP:GNG, so give it its own article right here. Fieari (talk) 07:38, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep - sources provided show a mention at the targets would be easy. If editors want to attempt to create an article about it, they're free to try to draft something up, but that doesn't prevent us from retaining the redirects for the time being. Sergecross73 msg me 00:06, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
E610
While E610 is mentioned at the target (it was the serial number of the gas tank that leaked and caused the disaster), this string also shows up in several other articles, such as LG Optimus L5, Orange SPV and South African Class 5E1, Series 2. Neither an internet search nor Google Scholar suggest a primary target, so deletion to allow for internal search results seems most appropriate. signed, Rosguill 18:10, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - this is one for the search engine. Ivanvector (/Edits) 18:48, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- I think it would be best to turn it into a disambiguation page that links to those other articles. Luvcraft (talk) 02:19, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate. Search finds these uses among other less useful results: lists that mention the LG Optimus, and various pages where references contain the string "E610" in page numbers or URLs. Peter James (talk) 15:26, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
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Template:Footer Olympic Champions C-1 Slalom
- Template:Footer Olympic Champions Men C-1 Slalom (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] →
It is unclear why this should redirect to Template:Footer Olympic Champions Men C-1 Slalom and not to Template:Footer Olympic Champions Women C-1 Slalom which is available since 2020. Ymblanter (talk) 14:46, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep - This appears to be the original title of the template it points to. I presume the women's event was started in 2020 or not covered until then. Template shortcuts are very often ambiguous. As they are for editors (not readers), this does little harm. Weak because I am sympathetic to the nominators point. If this were in the mainspace a disambiguation would very much be due; however, such an action is not appropriate for a template redirect and I do not support deletion (because ambiguity is not grounds to delete a shortcut). There is also no benefit of obscuring the page history through deletion. — GodsyCONT) 05:52, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
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Tax cuts for the rich
- Tax cuts for the rich → Trickle-down economics (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Should probably be deleted as non-neutral and poorly matched. While "tax cuts for the rich" are sometimes promoted as a method of trickle-down economics, they really aren't the same concept. Redirecting to tax cut does not make a lot of sense either. Jruderman (talk) 09:56, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - it's neutral (and even if it wasn't, redirects don't have to be neutral) and summarises the article's lead well:
Trickle-down economics refers to economic policies that disproportionately favor the upper tier of the economic spectrum, comprising wealthy individuals
andMajor examples of what critics have called "trickle-down economics" in the U.S. include the Reagan tax cuts, the Bush tax cuts, and the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act of 2017. Major UK examples include Liz Truss's mini-budget tax cuts of 2022
. The article describes the topic as primarily tax cuts for rich people - it's a good redirect. BugGhost🦗👻 10:45, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Trickle-down economics is not the exact same thing as tax cuts for the wealthy. Should be deleted as forcing readers to follow a redirect to an irrelevant place, WP:SURPRISE applies. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 12:44, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, possibly section link #Usage? This article does say "tax cuts to/for the rich" multiple times. Hyphenation Expert (talk) 00:58, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete. This could point to a number of places (chiefly, tax cut comes to mind), but none of them are a primary topic for this search term, and this doesn't lend itself way to being DABified. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 03:42, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - Since this is mentioned at the target and "Trickle-down economics" is a very common descriptor of policies like this. Neutral on whether the redirect should be to the article in general or to the "Usage" section of the article. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v 19:08, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
Men's football
200 (song)
Pokémon DuskGold and DawnSilver
Misty Williams
- Misty Williams → Misty (Pokémon) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
same rationale as below, different character, wrong surname (apparently, results seem torn between williams and waterflower) cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 16:16, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
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Gender-neutral games and toys
- Gender-neutral games and toys → Toy#Gender (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
About a day or so ago, sort of as a temporary measure until I could figure out a better course of action with this redirect, I had refined this redirect to Toy#Gender from Toy due to believing the base title not being adequate for explaining this redirect. However, I just realized that due to the fact the word "games" is in this redirect, the redirect's title seems to be an incorrect connection to its target due to potential WP:XY issues since the target is about toys and not games. At this point, I'm thinking deletion is the best option. Steel1943 (talk) 21:11, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- We ought to have some content about this, given the existence of Boys' toys and games and Girls' toys and games. Gender neutrality#Children's toys is similar to the current target. I'm wondering about a disambig/broad concept article? The existence of Toys and games in ancient Rome also points to "toys" and "games" being highly plausible combined search terms. Let Toys Be Toys is also relevant here. Thryduulf (talk) 11:50, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
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Angga Yunanda
Pion condensate
Children's games and toys
Yevhen Kholoniuk
- Yevhen Kholoniuk → 2011–12 figure skating season#Ice dance 4 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Subject does not appear in target article. Bgsu98 (Talk) 22:51, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
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Saint Boy
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Hum Hayn Aapkay Ghulam
Boe Jiden
This seems like an unlikely mispelling but I'm not sure it's R3 worthy. Thoughts? Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 15:36, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete not a useful redirect. Elli (talk | contribs) 15:41, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. I wondered if this was a meme or parody or something, but I can't find any evidence of it so if it is then it's completely non-notable. It is the name of a musician and Mario 2 player (it's not immediately clear if these are the same person) but they are not notable either. Note there is deleted history here, but it was an unrelated 1-sentence "article" from 2017 describing Joe Biden as a former president that was correctly speedied under G3. Thryduulf (talk) 16:32, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah I'm not American and I figured seeking additional input was useful in case if there was an obvious connection here I was missing. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 19:48, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not American either! Speedy deletion is explicitly only for the most obvious cases, so if you aren't certain whether a speedy deletion criterion applies then it doesn't. Seeking additional input is not something to apologise for. Thryduulf (talk) 22:53, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah I'm not American and I figured seeking additional input was useful in case if there was an obvious connection here I was missing. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 19:48, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Eleted. I don't see the flipping as a reasonable search term. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 03:44, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
Samuli Miettinen
- Samuli Miettinen → Children of Bodom (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Delete redirect. There is an article for Samuli Miettinen (footballer) who is a different person than the redirect. Searching for Samuli Miettinen from wiki should point the person who has an own article rather than someone who has not. Syvä-äksy (talk) 14:18, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. Looking on google there is no primary topic for people with this name with hits for the footballer, an architect (no article on enwp but the subject of fi:Samuli Miettinen) and an academic (no Wikipedia article in any language I can find) getting about equal numbers of hits on the first three pages. There were two hits for a photographer but none for the bassist. I haven't done enough research to know whether the architect or academic are notable but if they are a primary disambig may be best, if they aren't then moving the footballer to primary and adding a hatnote to the bassist is probably better (the latter does not appear to be notable, a one-line two-sentence sub-stub about him was correctly speedied as A7 a few years ago.) Thryduulf (talk) 16:45, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
Symplectic action
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Themes common in gay porn
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Washington, Maryland
- Washington, Maryland → Fort Washington, Maryland (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This error can plausibly refer to Fort Washington or Washington County, so delete and let the search results take care of it. Queen of Hearts 02:24, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Ambiguous. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 17:39, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
Disambiguate per the fact there are multiple topics.Steel1943 (talk) 22:52, 22 July 2024 (UTC)- Do not keep, do not delete per Tavix's comments. I have no opinion about disambiguation vs. retargeting anymore, but it's rather apparent that the current target is probably not helpful and that deletion benefits no one. Steel1943 (talk) 18:48, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate. There's a general presumption that redirects are useful to at least the creator, and disambiguating is less disruptive than deleting. Jruderman (talk) 06:49, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- In the dab entry pointing to Fort Washington, Maryland, please include the name of the county it is within. Jruderman (talk) 06:49, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Disambig per Steel and Jruderman. Thryduulf (talk) 12:54, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
Deleteper WP:PTM unless there's evidence of the Fort or the County being referred to as simply "Washington". -- Tavix 13:11, 23 July 2024 (UTC)- 1 minute on Google finds plenty of evidence of the county being referred as "Washington, Maryland" (e.g. [31], [32], [33]), hits for Fort Washington are harder to find [34] is ambiguous, but other results are getting swamped by collactions and hits for Mary L. Washington (a Maryland politician). Thryduulf (talk) 13:54, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not sure what's more impressive, the fact that your search only took one minute(!), or the fact that you thought those fringe database sources would be convincing. The Tweet isn't ambiguous, it's saying that the Governor of Maryland was speaking to reporters in Washington, DC. -- Tavix 14:03, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- The nature of the sources is irrelevant - they demonstrate clearly that "Washington County, Maryland" is sometimes referred to as "Washington, Maryland". Thryduulf (talk) 14:05, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- ...and I disagree with that assessment. It's not a referral, it's a database regurgitation. -- Tavix 14:11, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- The nature of the sources is irrelevant - they demonstrate clearly that "Washington County, Maryland" is sometimes referred to as "Washington, Maryland". Thryduulf (talk) 14:05, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not sure what's more impressive, the fact that your search only took one minute(!), or the fact that you thought those fringe database sources would be convincing. The Tweet isn't ambiguous, it's saying that the Governor of Maryland was speaking to reporters in Washington, DC. -- Tavix 14:03, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- 1 minute on Google finds plenty of evidence of the county being referred as "Washington, Maryland" (e.g. [31], [32], [33]), hits for Fort Washington are harder to find [34] is ambiguous, but other results are getting swamped by collactions and hits for Mary L. Washington (a Maryland politician). Thryduulf (talk) 13:54, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Washington metropolitan area, which extends into Maryland. I found a use that fits the bill. -- Tavix 14:11, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- What? That's just confusing and potentially harmful to readers. Washington, D.C. is not a part of Maryland, and no one would refer to it as such. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 15:45, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- You do seem confused. I did not suggest a target to Washington, D.C. but to Washington metropolitan area. Per the article (my emphasis added):
The Washington metropolitan area...includes all of Washington, D.C. and parts of Maryland...
This redirect would be for the "Maryland part of Washington". -- Tavix 13:29, 2 August 2024 (UTC)- No one calls it "the Maryland part of Washington," though. They are two separate entities. It's the equivalent of calling Newark "the New Jersey part of New York." Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 21:31, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not talking about the separate entities, I'm talking about the single metropolitan region of Washington which is partially located in Maryland. One prominent example is the Washington Commanders, who play in Maryland. Similarly, the New York Giants and New York Jets play in the New Jersey part of New York. -- Tavix 21:41, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- No one calls it "the Maryland part of Washington," though. They are two separate entities. It's the equivalent of calling Newark "the New Jersey part of New York." Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 21:31, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- You do seem confused. I did not suggest a target to Washington, D.C. but to Washington metropolitan area. Per the article (my emphasis added):
- What? That's just confusing and potentially harmful to readers. Washington, D.C. is not a part of Maryland, and no one would refer to it as such. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 15:45, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
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- I oppose retargetting to Washington metropolitan area per Presidentman. It isn't a completely implausible entry on a dab page but it would be very surprising to be redirected there. Thryduulf (talk) 08:15, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- No one refers to Fort Washington (either the CDP or the historic fort) as just "Washington". The county is rarely, but is, referred to by just "Washington" (like many counties in America). Normally only in spoke language but there are cases like [35]:
State Sen. Paul Corderman, R-Washington, sent a letter to the Hagerstown mayor and council
. I guess disambiguate? Between something like: Washington County, Maryland; Washington College (which is in Maryland); maybe History of Washington, D.C. due to the history of Maryland giving up land for Washington, DC; and maybe Washington metropolitan area (but oppose retarget here) (I'd also be fine with Fort Washington, Maryland being on the dab but I think under WP:PARTIAL it technically shouldn't be?). A retarget to Washington County, Maryland would be preferable to no change and deletion. Skynxnex (talk) 03:21, 29 July 2024 (UTC) - Keep Today I see both "Washington, MD" and "Marlboro, MD" listed by the Google Voice app, so "no one refers..." simply isn't correct. There's a redirect for Washington, Maryland - that was really useful. There is no redirect for Marlboro, Maryland - that was a complete PITA. Keep the redirect, add another to Marlboro, Maryland. Retargeting to loosely defined urban space is utterly useless. The redirect takes people who have no idea where these boroughs are to the appropriate WP article. Yappy2bhere (talk) 18:26, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Yappy2bhere: Can you clarify what you think "Washington, MD" is referring to? You do say "Keep", which would imply it refers to Fort Washington, Maryland. But you also make a reference that it's a borough, but Fort Washington, Maryland is not one. Loosely defined urban space is not an article, so retargeting there is not an option (although I don't understand why it would be an option?). You also don't define what you think Marlboro, Maryland refers to. There are quite a few options, among them: Upper Marlboro, Maryland; Lower Marlboro, Maryland; Marlboro Village, Maryland; Marlboro Meadows, Maryland and what looks to be the encompassing Greater Upper Marlboro, Maryland. -- Tavix 13:29, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
Once We Were Human
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Sumut
There are many disambiguation links in the article Sumut (disambiguation). So I hope to move to Sumut only and not prioritize one. Whatsup236 (talk) 02:12, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Move dab over redirect per nom. My searches for "sumut" -wikipedia indicate absolutely no primary topic here, in order on the first three pages I got hits fora Greenland tour provider, Sada Sumut F.C., the Indonesian province/its government, Bank Sumut, a power station in Indonesia, a college for health workers (I think), the album (current target, but the first hit was the second last on page two), a teacher training college, Sumut Natural Park (Oman), an alternative spelling of wikt:summat, a couple of books related to (I think) the province and then some results where the subject wasn't immediately clear. Thryduulf (talk) 08:32, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Just notified of this discussion at the disambiguation talk page. If we're looking to move it not via the WP:RM forum, let the discussion stay for a week. Jay 💬 13:46, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
The Acolyte (upcoming TV series)
Senior Bush & friends
Dumb dubyah
Live Photo
- Live Photo → Crispin Gurholt (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The Live Photo (iOS) meaning mentioned in the hatnote seems to be the prevalent one. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:06, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: Seems to be? Do you have something to substantiate that? Perhaps in Olso or Berlin it's the other way around? No justifiable reason to delete. --Hammersoft (talk) 18:57, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- Who suggested deletion? 1234qwer1234qwer4 14:39, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- You did. By saying this should point somewhere else, you are essentially advocating for deleting what it is now in favor of another. --Hammersoft (talk) 20:57, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- I didn't say this should point somewhere else, it might as well be disambiguated. The current meaning will not be deleted, it will stay with the addition of another one. 1234qwer1234qwer4 10:15, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- You did. By saying this should point somewhere else, you are essentially advocating for deleting what it is now in favor of another. --Hammersoft (talk) 20:57, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- Who suggested deletion? 1234qwer1234qwer4 14:39, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate At the very least, there's no primary topic here. The artist is almost certainly not primary. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 21:46, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- Assuming no primary topic, we can hatnote. --Hammersoft (talk) 20:57, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- No. 1234qwer1234qwer4 10:12, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, and we're back to proving what is primary and not, without supposition. --Hammersoft (talk) 12:27, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- No. 1234qwer1234qwer4 10:12, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Assuming no primary topic, we can hatnote. --Hammersoft (talk) 20:57, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget my searches indicate that the iOS feature is by far and away the primary topic - only two of the hits on the first five pages of search results were not about that topic, the other two were about equivalents on Android. Thryduulf (talk) 12:23, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
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Cianwood Island
Cianwood City (Cianwood Island)
A trip down mammary lane
Germs
User:TalkSubject/Joe Biden
Draft:Joe Biden
Not a {{R from move}}, created last month. Questionable utility ... and I thought our previous consensus about similar redirects was to delete them, but looks like WP:RDRAFT has been updated recently? We are now creating redirects from the "Draft:" namespace to the article namespace? Steel1943 (talk) 16:55, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - We always create and keep redirects from draft space to article space. One reason is so that an editor who has a link to the draft and wants to view or edit it will find the article after the draft is accepted. When a draft is accepted, a redirect to article space is always created, and is exempt from six-month expiration, and so is kept. There are sometimes good-faith requests to delete drafts because there is already an article. They are instead speedily redirected to the article. So, yes, there are redirects from draft space to article space. Robert McClenon (talk) 20:05, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- "
We always create and keep redirects from draft space to article space.
" No we don't, which is why I nominated this redirect in the first place since pages in the "Draft:" space created as redirects to the article space have traditionally been deleted at WP:RFD. In addition, none of what you said has anything to do with WP:RDRAFT, considering the redirect was created about a month ago, and has always been a redirect. (The redirect is not a {{R from move}}.) Steel1943 (talk) 21:15, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- "
- Delete contra Robert McClenon because this was never a draft. Keeping it would lead to confusion that there has been a draft on the subject, which it seems Robert fell for. -- Tavix 14:22, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Tavix: For what it's worth, apparently, the section which WP:RDRAFT targets was recently updated in a way (I'm assuming WP:BOLDly) which would have validated a "keep" for this redirect. However, this redirect was created prior to that addition, and ... since I wasn't sure what caused that addition and I do not necessarily agree with it, I reverted the change pending explanation from the editor who wrote/added the wording. (It seemed like a change that was major enough to need consensus for such a change.) Steel1943 (talk) 18:00, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- I argue that a redirect created in draftspace is not a draft, thus would not validate a keep either way. -- Tavix 18:18, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- That's fair: Seems the addition to WP:RDRAFT may have been intended for drafts converted to redirects, not pages in the "Draft:" namespace initially created as redirects to mainspace. (I suppose I should ping Godsy at this point so they can better understand why I reverted their addition.) Steel1943 (talk) 18:26, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. All of the following types of redirects from draftspace to mainspace should generally be kept imo:
- From drafts moved to mainspace
- From drafts merged with a mainspace article
- From drafts merged with another draft that was later moved or merged to mainspace
- From drafts that duplicate an existing mainspace article
- From the title of a draft that was moved within draftspace before being merged or moved to mainspace
- From titles that were never drafts but at which a draft that duplicates an existing mainspace article might reasonably be created.
- I see this as a completely harmless redirect that is an example of my final bullet. I don't know why someone would expect we don't already have an article on Joe Biden but given this redirect has been created and we definitely don't need a draft at this title, deletion seems both pointy and pointless. Thryduulf (talk) 09:00, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. All of the following types of redirects from draftspace to mainspace should generally be kept imo:
- That's fair: Seems the addition to WP:RDRAFT may have been intended for drafts converted to redirects, not pages in the "Draft:" namespace initially created as redirects to mainspace. (I suppose I should ping Godsy at this point so they can better understand why I reverted their addition.) Steel1943 (talk) 18:26, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- I argue that a redirect created in draftspace is not a draft, thus would not validate a keep either way. -- Tavix 18:18, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Tavix: For what it's worth, apparently, the section which WP:RDRAFT targets was recently updated in a way (I'm assuming WP:BOLDly) which would have validated a "keep" for this redirect. However, this redirect was created prior to that addition, and ... since I wasn't sure what caused that addition and I do not necessarily agree with it, I reverted the change pending explanation from the editor who wrote/added the wording. (It seemed like a change that was major enough to need consensus for such a change.) Steel1943 (talk) 18:00, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
Sunny (upcoming TV series)
Heartless Angel
- Heartless Angel → Sephiroth (Final Fantasy) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
a recurring attack for sephiroth in a lot of his appearances since his debut... but also for kefka. if both appear in a playable or boss form in any given game, heartless angel tends to go to whoever pops up first, which is usually kefka. if you want to be technical, sephiroth gets it more often overall because he gets more appearances, but results seem to associate it equally with both (give or take sephiroth being mentioned more often overall). even then, heartless angel isn't mentioned in either of their articles. if not deleted, i don't know if it should be kept there or retargeted to kefka, to final fantasy#gameplay, or to recurring elements in the final fantasy series#gameplay, because it'd be hard to cram an unsourced mention (or worse, a mention with a guide as the source) into those otherwise good or featured articles cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 16:16, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment - Soooo... the move gets a "kind of" mention in Kefka's article, as "Fallen Angel", although the actual Woolsey translation rendered it in game as "Fallen One" on the SNES (as can be confirmed by looking up a playthrough on youtube). This is the move that got commentary from a reliable source, and was worth the mention in the article. Now, I believe you're probably right that it's been updated in newer versions/releases of the game to Heartless Angel, as the Final Fantasy fandom wiki uses that term, but it doesn't seem to have garnered any commentary in reliable sources. Google, on the other hand, shows overwhelming preference to linking the term with Sephiroth instead of Kefka, likely due to the relative popularity of FFVII over FFVI... except that most if not all of these hits I'm finding are not from WP:RS. Which leaves us in the awkward position where there's clear analysis that would be interesting to discuss... that we can't use because none of it has gone through editorial publishing processes. I can't decide whether that means we should delete the redirect because we don't really have information on exactly it under that name, redirect to Kefka because the thing this redirect refers to IS directly named and described there... except under a different name (which is even incorrect, despite being published in a WP:RS!), or to keep the redirect because usage online clearly prefers Sephiroth as the WP:PTOPIC even though we don't and probably can't mention it there! Fieari (talk) 02:26, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- The fact that the Kefka article mentioned "Fallen Angel" as the name of the move bothered me enough that I added an endnote with the correction, and a mention to the renaming of it to Heartless Angel. Not sure if this is the best way to go about it, but surely the primary source material can be used just for a correction of this sort. Fieari (talk) 03:17, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- at this point, i'd say nuke it until a reliable source decides to cover the attack (and actually get the name right)
- also yeah, i did say results preferred sephiroth, because ff7 is the only final fantasy game people can remember the existence of for more than 15 seconds. coverage of final fantasy elements kind of sucks tbh cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:14, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Honestly, I say delete the redirect. Kefka and Sephiroth are weirdly similar, especially with the fallen angel theming and imagery, and it's just not worth it to debate who 'gets' a redirect that sees maybe ten hits a year - especially with the lack of reliable sources (which, let's face it, isn't likely to change anytime soon). I could support retargeting to recurring elements in the final fantasy series#gameplay, but in that case I'd want to see another section on that page for recurring moves (Fallen One/Heartless Angel, Meteor, Bad Breath, etc.) and I just don't know if they're significant enough to have that kind of coverage. I mean, even Bahamut only gets a mention in the design section, despite his presence as a summon and/or plot-relevant character since the very first game. Atma/Ultima, Odin, and even Omega don't get a mention at all, so it's hard to reconcile that with keeping one weirdly-translated attack that two very famous villains use. NekoKatsun (nyaa) 20:00, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
Големата екскурзија
Jabar
There are Many Disambiguation Links in the Word "Jabar" on Jabar (disambiguation). So for me this should not be special. Like the case of West Kalimantan where I made the word redirect Kalbar, but it was deleted because it was not only in one article. Baqotun0023 (talk) 12:12, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Just notified of this discussion at the current target and disambiguation talk pages. If we're looking to move it not via the WP:RM forum, the discussion can stay for a week. Jay 💬 14:03, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
Măluț River
Completely unmentioned on the target page. With a bit of digging I found ro:Râul Măluț which just says "The Măluț River is a watercourse, a left tributary of the Talna River in Satu Mare County, Romania.". It's not the only tributary and nothing seems to indicate it is a particularly significant one so simply adding it to the article would seem a bit misleading? Thryduulf (talk) 11:55, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Also bundle Măluţ River. Looks exactly the same but there is a tiny difference in diacritic. Also the non-diacritic Malut River. Jay 💬 13:06, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
Malut
- Malut → Braniștea, Bistrița-Năsăud (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not sure that a variant spelling for a village with 536 inhabitants (which redirects to the commune's article) is the primary topic, given that Malut is also a commonly used shortening for North Maluku (Maluku Utara), an Indonesian province with more than a million inhabitants. Malut (disambiguation), which is currently a primary-and-one-other dab, could be moved to the base name instead. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 11:10, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- make dab primary per nom. Most hits relate to Category:Malut United FC players (I'll add the team's article to the dab page). There is also Măluț River but see separate nomination of that. Thryduulf (talk) 11:47, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- I modified Malut (disambiguation) to remove the primary. Jay 💬 13:58, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
Pokemon generations 5
- Pokemon generations 5 → Pokémon (video game series)#Fifth generation (2010–2013) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
implausible pluralization? if kept, i'll be retargeting to the gen 5 games regardless of result cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 16:45, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- Don't delete Seems plausible. Readers might see the "5" and think generation should be pluralized. Ca 02:33, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
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- @Cogsan: Which is the gen 5 games target you're referring to? @Ca: Are you supporting cogsan with the new target, or are you supporting the current? Jay 💬 04:57, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- i'll go with bw cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:38, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- What is "bw"? Jay 💬 13:50, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- black and white, the first gen 5 games cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 16:05, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- What is "bw"? Jay 💬 13:50, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- i'll go with bw cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:38, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
Guillermo Vilas: Settling the Score
- Guillermo Vilas: Settling the Score → Lists of Netflix original films (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not sure what to do about this one. The subject exists (per third party searches) and is linked at List of Netflix original films (2020) in the list of film released that year. But ... the fact that this title is a redirect and not an article seems to validate WP:REDYES deletion. However, the subject of this redirect is mentioned twice in the biographical article about its subject, Guillermo Vilas: Once in the last paragraph of the article's top section, and once in the last paragraph of Guillermo Vilas#ATP ranking No. 1 controversy. I am not sure if either of these targets are viable retargeting options for this redirect, or if the redirect should be deleted to promote the creation of an article (though my preference here is deletion.) Steel1943 (talk) 21:37, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Steel1943: I am skeptical of the value of red links in prompting article creation. I think it's better to have a red link than no link at all, where an article can potentially be written, but better to have a redirect than a red link where the article is really unlikely to actually be written. The ultimate end question is what best serves the reader looking for information on the subject. BD2412 T 23:06, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- @BD2412: Fair enough. "WP:REDLINK" Might be another guideline and/or essay excerpt that I need to add to my "questionable utility" list. I'm just ... not sure if the current setup is adequate since the subject of this redirect has article potential, and I do not believe I've seen any other cases where a redirect representing a biographical media (book, film, etc.) redirects to the human subject of the biography rather than having an article about itself or being a redirect that targets a section in another article identifying and explaining itself. Steel1943 (talk) 19:06, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- I think there are cases where it makes sense, where the subject is discrete and the likely topic of a writeable article, and cases where a redirect is more defensible. BD2412 T 19:32, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- @BD2412: Fair enough. "WP:REDLINK" Might be another guideline and/or essay excerpt that I need to add to my "questionable utility" list. I'm just ... not sure if the current setup is adequate since the subject of this redirect has article potential, and I do not believe I've seen any other cases where a redirect representing a biographical media (book, film, etc.) redirects to the human subject of the biography rather than having an article about itself or being a redirect that targets a section in another article identifying and explaining itself. Steel1943 (talk) 19:06, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator comment: To clarify on this, my stance is delete and weak retarget to Guillermo Vilas since "keep" is definitely invalid. Steel1943 (talk) 17:52, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom. Search results are sufficient. Jay 💬 05:03, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
"Fax (hair)" and "Fax (head hair)"
- Fax (hair) → Hair (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Fax (head hair) → Hair (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The word "fax" is mentioned nowhere in the target article, leaving it unclear what these redirects are meant to refer to and/or define. The only other article on Wikipedia I can find that mentions such terms in context is John the Baptist, but with the way the term "fax" is used in that article pertaining to "hair", it makes it seem as though these nominated redirects are some sort of suffix. Steel1943 (talk) 22:39, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:RFOR, as Middle English might reasonably be considered a "foreign language". The word may be familiar to modern readers through Shadowfax, but the Wiktionary link from Fax (disambiguation) will cover this usage adequately. Tevildo (talk) 09:53, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep I have added an etymology section to the page on Hair so it is now in the target article. Fax is attestated in modern English, not only Middle English, even if its usage has since become rare. Ingwina (talk) 10:02, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- In that case, my stance (I am the nominator) is changing to retarget Fax (hair) to Hair#Etymology but still delete Fax (head hair) since the "Etymology" section does not specify anything about "head" or "head hair". Steel1943 (talk) 19:20, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- This is from the page "The now broadly obsolete word "fax" refers specifically to head hair".
- I feel like if fax means hair, the word should redirect to the whole page - is there precedent for redirecting to the specific section mentioning the word if the word refers to the wider article? I don't have too strong views about this bit though - it just depends on the nuance of wikipedia policy to me! Ingwina (talk) 08:41, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Ingwina: The reason why I'm suggesting for at least Fax (hair) to target Hair#Etymology is the section directly exposing what "fax" means in the context of the subject of the article. In this case, keeping the target as Hair with no section redirect would be if the word was immediately established to be an alternative used in present day, which it seems this word may not be. Either way, that section seems to best explain why this term redirects to any part of the Hair article's subject. Steel1943 (talk) 19:01, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Sure :) I'm very relaxed about it. Worst comes to worst they scroll up. I don't think it's a big problem! Ingwina (talk) 20:22, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Ingwina: The reason why I'm suggesting for at least Fax (hair) to target Hair#Etymology is the section directly exposing what "fax" means in the context of the subject of the article. In this case, keeping the target as Hair with no section redirect would be if the word was immediately established to be an alternative used in present day, which it seems this word may not be. Either way, that section seems to best explain why this term redirects to any part of the Hair article's subject. Steel1943 (talk) 19:01, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- In that case, my stance (I am the nominator) is changing to retarget Fax (hair) to Hair#Etymology but still delete Fax (head hair) since the "Etymology" section does not specify anything about "head" or "head hair". Steel1943 (talk) 19:20, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Refine the first to Hair#Etymology. Fax (head hair) is not needed since we have Fax (hair). Refine or delete, I'm not particular either way. Jay 💬 05:10, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
Paris Olympics
Stetson Bennett's final game
హిరోషిమా పీస్ మెమోరియల్ మ్యూజియం
Bruce Robinson (civil servant)
- Bruce Robinson (civil servant) → Executive Office (Northern Ireland) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
There is no mention of Bruce Robinson at the target article. -- Tavix 20:04, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Weak retarget to Head of the Northern Ireland Civil Service as a {{R to list entry}}. Wikiblame is giving gateway timeouts so I can't see if he was ever mentioned at the target (and if so why he was removed) but the list is the only place I've found he is currently mentioned. Thryduulf (talk) 20:29, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Weak retarget per Thryduulf. Jay 💬 05:13, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
SO(32)
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Magik (film)
- Magik (film) → Benedict Cumberbatch (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Magik (2015 film) → Benedict Cumberbatch (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Situation I haven't run into here: This was a BLAR to an article that does not currently mention the subject, but restoring the article would go against WP:NFF, which means there isn't a snowball's chance in Hell that the article would survive AfD. I think the best approach is restore article but draftify, which is the better way to incubate something in development hell anyways. (Normally I wouldn't take something to RfD just to !vote restore, since anyone can do that, but if I were to unilaterally restore and draftify I feel like that would be backdoor deletion of the redirect.) -- Tamzin (they|xe) 00:56, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Restore/Draftify per nom. You make a good case for it, and I appreciate the reasoning for going through the RfD process. Fieari (talk) 01:22, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Although back in 2018 and 2019 it was restored twice so I think it probably should be restored and sent to AFD per WP:BLA and if it is desired to disambiguate (if the 2024 one is different) then the edit history should be moved to Magik (2018 film) and redirected to Magik (disambiguation) per WP:INCDAB. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:21, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Bundling the related redirect Magik (2015 film). Hyphenation Expert (talk) 04:09, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment - Well, this is really two separate issues. The draft(s) can be restored and draftified, if desired. What needs to be determined here is: Are these appropriate titles to point (i.e redirect) to targets in the mainspace? — GodsyCONT) 18:13, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete both per WP:NFF as the nom points out. This looks like a film that was shelved a long time ago. Unless there has been any recent updates there is no point in draftifying it because it'll just be deleted six months down the road. -- Tavix 20:12, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Well we can't predict now whether there will be updates in the next six months. But even if there aren't, having deleted history be at a draftspace title is helpful for if the film does get made years from now, letting a future editor know that they can have it undeleted. And if that doesn't happen and it does just get G13'd and never undeleted, then we're no worse off. -- Tamzin (they|xe) 06:03, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Given how long ago we're talking, I feel rather confident that there will be no updates in the next six months. Even if I'm wrong, I would rather deleted history be in mainspace rather than draftspace. The edit history would be less 'hidden' there because casual editors aren't as familiar with draftspace. -- Tavix 14:17, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Well we can't predict now whether there will be updates in the next six months. But even if there aren't, having deleted history be at a draftspace title is helpful for if the film does get made years from now, letting a future editor know that they can have it undeleted. And if that doesn't happen and it does just get G13'd and never undeleted, then we're no worse off. -- Tamzin (they|xe) 06:03, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
KBCT-FM
Bionic Bunny, et al.
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WhyOnEarthWouldIWantToContributeToaWiki
- WhyOnEarthWouldIWantToContributeToaWiki → Wikipedia:Why to contribute (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not recently created so doesn't fall under R3, but seems entirely implausible that someone would ever actually type this into their search bar. EggRoll97 02:51, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
Delete. Worth noting that despite its CamelCase name, it's less than a year old. Some historical cross-namespace redirects are kept, but new ones are discouraged. jlwoodwa (talk) 03:05, 26 July 2024 (UTC)- Retracted due to new evidence below. jlwoodwa (talk) 04:27, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Restore history and keep there is a lot of deleted history here, with the earliest dating back to 2002, however the earliest history is now at Wikipedia:Why on Earth would I want to contribute to a wiki after history merging. However, this title was speedily deleted under G6, apparently unprompted (the last activity on the page was two years previously), by RHaworth in 2019. The rationale given was "created in the wrong namespace" but that is incorrect since it was originally created before namespaces existed (RHaworth was later desysopped, in part due to misuse of speedy deletion). This is getting a lot of his - over 200 so far this year even with none recorded for - so it's clearly still providing a useful function. Thryduulf (talk) 10:38, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Restore history, keep, mark as historical. As per Thryduulf, this is a restoration of an old camelcase redirect that existed before namespaces was a thing. Let history remain preserved. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 11:17, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Restore history and keep per above. I'm not too sure how it would be marked historical though. Maybe it could be a soft redirect, or maybe {{R from historical name}} can be repurposed? Probably out of the scope of RFD. mwwv ∫edits 16:24, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- The rcat is {{R with old history}}. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:30, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Remedy as described above. — GodsyCONT) 21:45, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as historical with a note about the Wikipedia:Why on Earth would I want to contribute to a wiki histmerge. jlwoodwa (talk) 04:31, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Move without redirect to Wikipedia:WhyOnEarthWouldIWantToContributeToaWiki to get it out of the mainspace. No opinion otherwise about the edit history. Steel1943 (talk) 21:30, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- It this were unused I could support that, but given the evidence of quite substantial use I have to oppose. Thryduulf (talk) 07:55, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. As the original creator of this redirect, I might as well say that I originally created this (and perhaps a few others) because I was scrolling through the list of the first 100 pages and I noticed that a few old CamelCase pages did not exist, and so I sought to fill those in. ✶Antrotherkus✶ 06:51, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Antrotherkus: Just so you know, WP:DRV is better than recreation in cases like this. It's not a problem if you didn't know about it, though. jlwoodwa (talk) 22:28, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
F. Fitzgerald
- F. Fitzgerald → F. Scott Fitzgerald (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Delete. Or redirect to FitzGerald (surname). jnestorius 02:35, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Someone entering this title is probably looking for F. Scott Fitzgerald, but the omission doesn't seem to have affinity (AFAICT he was never referred to as "F. Fitzgerald"). If you search for "F. Fitzgerald", F. Scott Fitzgerald is the first result, so the redirect doesn't have much navigational value either. jlwoodwa (talk) 06:11, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Kablammo (talk) 09:25, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Very clearly the primary topic, and there are hatnotes to others who might be searched for. Thryduulf (talk) 10:40, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Very clearly not the primary topic in Ireland, where the name FitzGerald originates. There is currently no hatnote for F. Fitzgerald on the F. Scott Fitzgerald article. One would need to add F. Fitzgerald (disambiguation) as a redirect to Fitzgerald (surname)#F in order to pick up Fern Fitzgerald and Frances FitzGerald (disambiguation). I would oppose any such hatnote as it would clutter the article and invite the inference that "F. Fitzgerald" is a reasonably common way to refer to "F. Scott Fitzgerald" as opposed to a very rare way. jnestorius 21:58, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Thruduulf. It does not lack affinity, by the way, as excluding a middle name is a reasonable thing to do in many cases. — GodsyCONT) 21:41, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- I'm confused. Isn't "this modification could just as well apply to a vast number of other titles" the definition of "lacks affinity"? jlwoodwa (talk) 04:42, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Jlwoodwa: Affinity applies to things like a period at the end of a title, being in quotes, etc. In other words, an error that could apply to almost absolutely any title. A title without a middle name only applies to names, and furthermore only names including a middle name. It is always reasonable to leave out a middle name for a redirect, as long as there is no ambiguity in what's covered (or there is a primary topic as in this case). I would support that every single time. I would not support every single title having a redirect from that title in quotes or with a full stop at the end and so forth. Affinity is in regard to much broader variants, not specific ones like this. This situation clearly does not apply to every title (or a vastly broad enough swath of titles). Even if it did, it would still be appropriate all the time, rendering affinity double moot. — GodsyCONT) 09:20, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- I'm confused. Isn't "this modification could just as well apply to a vast number of other titles" the definition of "lacks affinity"? jlwoodwa (talk) 04:42, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Does seem to be occasionally used in product listings and non-RS. If there were usage of the term to refer to anyone else, that low-quality usage wouldn't be weighted very strongly, but the only search results I see are spurious ones about John F. Fitzgerald. (The sources still write out the entirety of "John F. Fitzgerald"; Google just includes them because the substring matches.) Limited usage trumps no usage, so keep. -- Tamzin (they|xe) 22:18, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Autogenerated listings and poorly copyedited self-publishing? I don't think is persuasive evidence that real humans are using the term other than as a slip. The term is too ambiguous to prioritise autocorrecting a slip. jnestorius 22:04, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Are there other instances of anyone else being called "F. Fitzgerald"? -- Tamzin (they|xe) 02:00, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- "Ms F. Fitzgerald", references to Frances Fitzgerald (politician) in Dáil proceedings jnestorius 15:58, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- Are there other instances of anyone else being called "F. Fitzgerald"? -- Tamzin (they|xe) 02:00, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Autogenerated listings and poorly copyedited self-publishing? I don't think is persuasive evidence that real humans are using the term other than as a slip. The term is too ambiguous to prioritise autocorrecting a slip. jnestorius 22:04, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- I have added Fionn Fitzgerald (born 1990), Irish football player, to the surname page. BD2412 T 21:58, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
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Stun ray
- Stun ray → Weapons in science fiction (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The subject of the redirect is not mentioned in the target article, leaving it unclear what subject this redirect is meant to define. From a preliminary search of Wikipedia, it seems this redirect is mentioned nowhere. Steel1943 (talk) 21:21, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Weak retarget to stun gun, which mentions the current target. Hesitant because 'stun weapons' are not really described at that target. Might be better to return this to red for now. — GodsyCONT) 21:56, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - I'm legitimately befuddled that this isn't mentioned and discussed in detail at the target article, given how much a staple it is in sci-fi. Making a character sleep without actually hurting them is just such a USEFUL thing for a writer to be able to do, that even in non-scifi works you get things like that one punch that harmlessly KOs you, or chloroform, or a sleeping drug or whatever. In sci-fi, they definitely use stun guns all the time, from Star Wars to Star Trek and beyond. It's a trope for a reason. Normally, when I feel like article creation should be encouraged I !vote delete to redlink it, but here, I don't think it deserves its own article at all... I just think it should be included in this one. Err... not that I'm volunteering to write it though. Not sure what to do in this situation. Fieari (talk) 23:15, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Raygun - it's a scifi weapon that shoots rays, that mentions stunning:
A wide range of non-lethal functions as determined by the requirements of the story: for instance, they may stun, paralyze or knock down a target, much like modern electroshock weapons.
. BugGhost🦗👻 12:26, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
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Jerry Temporary
Andy youre a star
Quail, quail, quarry
"Joe Biden approval rating" and others
Aeris dies
Biometal,Mega man ZX
Live Metal
Ciel (video game character)
Golem(Mega Man Zero)
List of characters in the Mega Man Battle Network seres
MEga Man X6
Bikers for Trump
Theoretical high pixel count images
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FinalMethod
- FinalMethod → Method (computer programming) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at the target with or without a space. Internet and Google Scholar results did not turn up anything illuminating. Delete unless a justification can be provided. signed, Rosguill 19:48, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment It's likely that Method (computer programming) § Finalizers is arguably a close enough mention. See Final (Java) § Final methods for Java-specific context (it's kind of in some other languages). But the missing space makes it iffier. Skynxnex (talk) 20:00, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Also bundle Final method here, or weak retarget it to Final (Java)#Final methods. Jay 💬 05:33, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
Port Royal, Richmond County, Nova Scotia
- Port Royal, Richmond County, Nova Scotia → Isle Madame (Nova Scotia) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
It is not clear why this redirects here. "Port Royal" itself is ambiguous, and there's no mention of "Port Royal" in the article. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 19:38, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- There is such a place (not sure if linking google maps like that works), it just doesn't have an article at present. It had been a stub before being redirected and the corresponding mention of it in Isle Madame (Nova Scotia) was removed a few years ago. I've no idea if the place is notable in any way. older ≠ wiser 20:28, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
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- It's certainly not notable enough to warrant a proper article. About 15 years ago, somebody created an article for it but it's no more than a hamlet on Isle Madame, NS. PKT(alk) 15:38, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Restore stub: I believe it is legally recognized and thus meets WP:NPLACE. An article may be warranted. C F A 💬 20:17, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- Restore stub. If this is to be deleted, the discussion should happen at AfD. -- asilvering (talk) 02:30, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
Florence and Ivan Cameron, and Wilfred Johnson
- Ivan Cameron → David Cameron#Personal life (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Florence Rose Endellion Cameron → David Cameron#Family (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Wilfred Lawrie Nicholas Johnson → Boris Johnson#Relationships (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Delete per previous post Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:49, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- Pinging @DeFacto from previous Rfd. Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:51, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
Parafasciolopsis fasciolaemorpha
big rigs redirects with no space
Degi dialect
- Degi dialect → Okinoerabu dialect cluster (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned in any capacity at the target. Unclear how/why this redirect would make sense. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:39, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- All of my recent mass redirects of Ryukyuan languages come from the supplementary metadata of UniCog (unicog_meta_v1.xlsx) and Nakamoto (1981:459-463) (図説琉球語辞典). Degi is a subarea of Okinoerabu (though information is very obscure; but see here for a postal code number list of Okinoerabu which includes Degi). Chuterix (talk) 21:46, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
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Kernel service
Digimon World Re:Digitize
- Digimon World Re:Digitize → Digimon World Re:Digitize (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
that's a completely different type of colon. not sure who would write the title in english, switch to a japanese keyboard setting to add that specific colon and nothing else, and then back to a latin one to write the rest cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:40, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as implausible mixed-script redirect. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 13:16, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - I'm an EFL teacher to native Japanese speakers and see my students do this kind of thing all the time. Random "full-width" punctuation and spaces everywhere when they try writing in English. No comment as to whether or not that makes it keepable, but just needed to say... yes, they do this. No, I don't know why, no matter how many times I tell them not to. Fieari (talk) 04:51, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- On reflection, coming back to add: I do know why they do this. Japanese keyboards have a button to switch between hiragana/kanji, katakana, and romaji modes, as well as some other modes as well. Japanese users are very familiar with switching between modes multiple times within a single sentence in order to type the characters they need. So they are typing in romaji mode to type the less familiar English characters/words, but then they suddenly come across a character they are used to much more, the colon! So they switch back to kana input to put in the familiar character before switching back to romaji mode to continue typing the unfamiliar parts. As I said, it happens A LOT despite my best efforts to curtail it ("Just keep it on romaji while in English class!") Fieari (talk) 07:06, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- this is almost as cursed as turning caps lock on and off for each individual capital letter. still, i don't think it's plausible to do that with an originally japanese game on english wikipedia, but that's a possible wrench in the plan cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 15:58, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- On reflection, coming back to add: I do know why they do this. Japanese keyboards have a button to switch between hiragana/kanji, katakana, and romaji modes, as well as some other modes as well. Japanese users are very familiar with switching between modes multiple times within a single sentence in order to type the characters they need. So they are typing in romaji mode to type the less familiar English characters/words, but then they suddenly come across a character they are used to much more, the colon! So they switch back to kana input to put in the familiar character before switching back to romaji mode to continue typing the unfamiliar parts. As I said, it happens A LOT despite my best efforts to curtail it ("Just keep it on romaji while in English class!") Fieari (talk) 07:06, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
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- I think Fieari presented a good argument on why Japanese speakers might use this redirect. Since redirects have low maintanance burden and the subject is a Japanese game, keep. Ca 02:46, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep given the explanation given by Fieari. Given this is close, but not identical to WP:RFOREIGN. And given this game has a strong affinity to Japanese and the Japaneses JSP cover, for example, has the title in English also, if it's not uncommon for people to mix the scripts, no reason to delete given how cheap redirects are. Skynxnex (talk) 20:40, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: If this is kept, it should probably be listed at WP:MIXEDSCRIPT as an "exception to the rule". jlwoodwa (talk) 23:59, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
malformed digimon redirects
Eli Kowaz
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1.6
Sweden incident
TrumPAC
- TrumPAC → Donald Trump 2016 presidential campaign (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This redirect is not mentioned in the target article, leaving the connection between the redirect and the target unclear. However, it seems a topic by the name of this redirect has some sort of connection to its target: Searching for this word on third-party search engines seems to return results for a political action committee for Donald Trump that looks as though it was active only during the 2016 presidential campaign season. Steel1943 (talk) 20:49, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
Trump campaign controversies
- Trump campaign controversies → Donald Trump 2016 presidential campaign#Controversies (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The redirect is not exclusive to the target. (There were controversies in all 3 of Donald Trump's presidential campaigns since 2016. [Not sure about the 2000 one.]) I would suspect there's a place to retargeting this redirect, sort of acting as a disambiguation page, but I'm currently not seeing it. Maybe this should be a WP:BROADCONCEPT? Steel1943 (talk) 20:39, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
Support for President Donald Trump by white Americans
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Support for Donald Trump
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Ideological neutrality of the state
- Ideological neutrality of the state → Ideology (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The phrase "neutrality of the state" is not mentioned in the target article, leaving it unclear what in the target article the redirect is meant to define. Steel1943 (talk) 20:05, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
Rivet media attention on Donald Trump
- Rivet media attention on Donald Trump → Trumpism (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The phrase "Rivet media attention" is mentioned in the target article, but it doesn't seem mentioned in a way to validate searching this phrase in any form as a way to arrive at the target article. Otherwise, this phrase is probably vague since it may refer to other topics related to Donald Trump. Steel1943 (talk) 19:54, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete This reads like a segment from a sensational news article. This is not a plausible search term. Ca 16:09, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
Trump's politics
MAGA tourist
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Former president(s) of the United States
List of nearest free floating planetary mass objects
- List of nearest free floating planetary mass objects → Rogue planet#List (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Unusable and unsearchable WP:XY redirect. Also, the redirect target doesn't contain a list of the nearest free floating planetary mass objects. 21 Andromedae (talk) 18:13, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- A list by distance could be created at the target. Otherwise I agree this should be deleted. SevenSpheres (talk) 18:29, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
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Super Mario Wii 2: Galaxy Adventure Together
- Super Mario Wii 2: Galaxy Adventure Together → Super Mario Galaxy 2 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Super Mario Galaxy 2 is not known by this name. The article has only had this title for 16 minutes before being moved back. Mia Mahey (talk) 16:36, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. No mention of this title in article. Never released as this. Andrzejbanas (talk) 18:18, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - It is a proper title for the game in South Korea based on a few searches. Probably still a delete, though. --Super Goku V (talk) 03:35, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. This is the official Korean name for the game, it is also listed as so on the Mario Wiki. This could be added to the Wikipedia page as well. BigManBigChange (talk) 07:34, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- wp:rlang applies here. same reason a korean redirect for a kirby game got deleted 10 days ago. if a source is eventually found, it could potentially be added as a piece of info in the development section, but otherwise, nah. the same rationale applies to the nomination just below this one. delete cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:18, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment The odd title is the result of last-minute changes brought due to the Korean Intelletual Property Office determinination that the original title conflicted with multiple pre-existing products. Strangely I can't find any source that covers this. Ca 09:20, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep I thought about it for a while, and I say we keep for the Korean-English bilinguals who may not have realized this game was published under a different name in Korea. The reasoning behind WP:RLANG is that readers would be unlikely to search up topics with non-English search terms if the topic is unaffined to the language.
- However, the Korean title is a simple English transliteration of
- Super Mario Wii 2: Galaxy Adventure Together. "슈퍼 마리오 Wii 갤럭시 어드벤처" contains no Korean words and simply spells out the English title. This may lead readers to think the name is same in English releases too, just not in Hangul. Ca 13:45, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Ca's reasoning; this isn't the sort of foreign language redirect we avoid. It's the English translation of the Korean title of the game, which happened to be different from the name in most other places. Elli (talk | contribs) 23:38, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
Kangxi Radicals
- Kangxi Radicals → Kangxi Radicals (Unicode block) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Either Kangxi Radicals (Unicode block) sjhould be moved here, or it should point to Kangxi radical (where Kangxi radicals points). –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 07:58, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Kangxi radicals. There is no reason why either different capitalisations or singular/plural should lead to different places. Thryduulf (talk) 12:51, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- Not necessarily. See WP:DIFFCAPS. Also, Gods is the plural of God, but it redirects to Deity because the "God" article is limited to monotheism, which rejects the idea of gods in the plural. Nyttend (talk) 19:48, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- In general that's true - different capitalisations and pluralisations do sometimes appropriately lead to different places, however I was referring to this specific redirect (although I now see I wasn't clear about that): Kangxi radical, Kangxi Radical, Kangxi radicals and Kangxi Radicals should all lead to the same target. Thryduulf (talk) 00:01, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Not necessarily. See WP:DIFFCAPS. Also, Gods is the plural of God, but it redirects to Deity because the "God" article is limited to monotheism, which rejects the idea of gods in the plural. Nyttend (talk) 19:48, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
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Best Year Ever
- Best Year Ever → Best Week Ever (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The page title could also refer to the SpongeBob 20th anniversary celebration known as "Best Year Ever". Retarget to SpongeBob SquarePants#Twentieth anniversary or disambiguate? 1033Forest (talk) 03:44, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- Disambig. Unsurprisingly this is a very common title for references, but in addition to the current target and the SpongeBob Squarepants targets I've found I Love...#Best Year Ever… (More4), Amelia's Best Year Ever (Amelia's Notebooks#Elementary school), and a Doctor Who episode (Doctor Who: The Eighth Doctor Adventures#Series 4 (2022)), none of which seem primary. It wouldn't surprise me if there are more as this is not an easy thing to search for (which also means search results will be extremely unhelpful so we definitely should not delete this). Thryduulf (talk) 13:00, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete I really see no use in keeping this. Intrisit (talk) 10:11, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
Imperial Royalty
- Imperial Royalty → Imperial Majesty (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This term does not appear in the target article. Bgsu98 (Talk) 02:58, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- I guess Royalty and Majesty are somewhat synonymous. Josethewikier (talk) 02:59, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per above, since both words are synonymous. CycloneYoris 04:03, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. The words are not exact synonyms, and, more imporatntly, "Imperial Majesty" is a title, but "Imperial Royalty" isn't. Emperors can referred to as "His Imperial Majesty", but no ruler has ever been called "His Imperial Royalty". The redirect as it stands is misleading. If it's to be kept, Emperor would be a better target. Tevildo (talk) 17:57, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - Imperial and Royal, Imperial–royal, Imperial and Royal Highness, Imperial and Royal Majesty, are just a small selection of targets where this could reasonably point. Unless it can be established that this term is actually used in this form for one or more topics we cover, this should likely be deleted as vague. — GodsyCONT) 21:54, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to King-Emperor. They're not synonymous; in the context of monarchy, "imperial" refers to emperors/empresses, and "royalty" only to kings/queens, a lesser dignity. This article is general, not country-specific like "Imperial-royal" or "Imperial and Royal", and the redirect title is about a concept, not about a title like "Imperial and Royal Highness" or "Imperial and Royal Majesty". Nyttend (talk) 19:54, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget per Nyttend. All the other proposed targets are specific to a particular context, whereas King-Emperor is a broad concept article. Rosbif73 (talk) 11:32, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete it looks like the first Google hit for the term is a Pomerian dog breeder, which wasn't exactly on my bingo card. The other results seem to be mostly the kind of keyword synonym spam people use for SEO. There seems to be the occasional usage in historical contexts, e.g. an old history book or museum listing. I think they're using it to emphasize that these are imperial royals, e.g. emperors and not kings, but it doesn't seem to be a term of art. In any case, serious use of the term is rare and doesn't not appear to be a synonym for Imperial Majesty or King-Emperor. Rusalkii (talk) 20:22, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
Invasion of Mexico
- Invasion of Mexico → Mexican–American War (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Overly broad term; no evidence that it is linked only to this specific war. Bgsu98 (Talk) 02:47, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. If there are other wars this term might describe, this one is overwhelming likely to be the one intended. The others can be listed in a disambiguation page linked on a hat note. Shankar Sivarajan (talk) 03:25, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep or disambig. Other things referred to by this term according to my searches include United States occupation of Veracruz, Spanish conquest of the Aztec Empire (redirect from Spanish conquest of Mexico), Pastry War and Second French intervention in Mexico. If there is a primary topic then it is the current target but I'm not completely convinced there is. Thryduulf (talk) 08:29, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Disambig. The various wars listed by Thryduulf are perfect fuel for creating a dab page; while the Mexican-American war should probably be the first war listed on the page, it's not primary enough to be directly redirected to. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 21:40, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate per Lunamann; obviously Mexico has been invaded several times. If I didn't know better, I'd expect this to cover the reign of Maximilian. Nyttend (talk) 19:56, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- That was the invasion that came to my mind first, but I was also a French major. A disambiguation page would be totally appropriate. Bgsu98 (Talk) 20:01, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Disambig or keep. Primary topic of a quick google search does seem to be the Mexican-American War by a fairly wide margin, but I think a disambig page would be helpful here given that it is a generic term for something that has occurred several times (I also found Candelaria border incursion of 1919, in addition to Thryduulf's listed pages). Funnily enough, most of the first page of google results that isn't the current target is a hypothetical modern American invasion of Mexico, which we (very reasonably) don't have a page for but does get a one-sentence callout at Mexico–United_States_relations#Biden_administration. Rusalkii (talk) 19:07, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
Teemo
Not mentioned; delete unless a suitable target can be found. Queen of Hearts 17:48, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Before Arcane, one of the main "mascots" of League. Useful if someone wants to know where the naming of Gothus Teemo comes from for an example in wider culture of just last week. (Note that Teemo probably could be mentioned, but as a Featured Article, the League article is maintained pretty strictly, so it might be arguably under-inclusive in the name of keeping the highest level of sourcing.) SnowFire (talk) 22:55, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- Turn into disambiguation page now that G. teemo has an article. SnowFire (talk) 20:28, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Disagree with this. Per WP:2DABS a redirect/hat note would be preferable. Bensci54 (talk) 12:22, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep Could probably merit a small sentence-long mention based on this article regarding League's impact on popular culture. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 10:28, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep given its use on Gothus teemo. Wouldn't be against it being mentioned on the main article, given that the crab is the first species to be named after a League of Legends character, although that's probably to be discussed on the talk page. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 16:05, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support disambig per SnowFire. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 13:36, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Chaotic Enby: Why vote twice in favour in the same RFD request?! Intrisit (talk) 10:11, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry if it wasn't clear, it was to indicate I supported the two options (keeping the redirect, or converting it to a disambiguation page). Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 13:41, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Chaotic Enby: Why vote twice in favour in the same RFD request?! Intrisit (talk) 10:11, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
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Sonic Wiild Fire
- Sonic Wiild Fire → Sonic and the Secret Rings (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
either an implausible misspelling or an implausible pun. i don't know which outcome is worse, but the term doesn't seem to see much (if any) use in the context of sonic, with or without a space cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 14:35, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment/Weak Keep - Article has mention of "Sonic Wild Fire" as the game's original working title, and a single doubling of a character is a potentially plausible typo, so I don't see a need to go out of our way to delete this thing, but I'll grant that searching the original working title to begin with is a rare proposition, so it's not like I feel strongly about this one. (Entirely possible the redirect creator was making a Wii system pun) Fieari (talk) 06:11, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep: per WP:CHEAP. The game was previously named Sonic Wild Fire so the target makes sense. I see no reason to delete. C F A 💬 21:17, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Sonic Wild Fire exists, and it does not seem as though the misspelling in the nominated redirect has wide-use, if any. Might as well scrap this thing. Steel1943 (talk) 16:16, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per Steel. It was created in 2006, and the properly titled redirect was created less than 3 months later. No information on whether "Wii" was a pun or a typo. Jay 💬 17:31, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
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Chhota Bheem 2
- Chhota Bheem 2 → Chhota Bheem and the Throne of Bali (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Chhota Bheem 3 → Chhota Bheem (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Chhota Bheem 4 → Chhota Bheem: Kung Fu Dhamaka (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
All redirects were created on the same day by the same creator as a chronological search aid for theatrical films in order of release for the series. Apart from animated films, Chhota Bheem also has a live action film and is a television series. Lack of "film" in the redirect titles was a factor in the deletion of Chhota Bheem 1 and Chhota Bheem 5 at the recently closed RfD WP:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 25#Chhota Bheem 1. Chhota Bheem 3 redirects back to the parent article that has no listed chronology. I would recommend deletion consistent with the already deleted ones. Jay 💬 22:20, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- As I mentioned in the linked RfD, the lack of 'film' in the title wasn't my issue with Chhota Bheem 1 and Chhota Bheem 5-- the issue I had was that the redirect target was incorrect, pointing to Chhota Bheem and the Curse of Damyaan (2012 film) instead of the actual first and fifth films: Chhota Bheem Aur Krishna and Chhota Bheem: Journey to Petra. (You may notice that both of those redirect to the Chhota Bheem page itself-- that's because we don't have information on those films.)By that logic:
- Chhota Bheem 2 should redirect to Chhota Bheem and Ganesh in the Amazing Odyssey. Retarget appropriately.
- Chhota Bheem 3 should redirect to Chhota Bheem Aur Krishna in Pataliputra, a page that does not exist. Delete.
- Chhota Bheem 4 should redirect to Bheem vs Aliens, which itself is a redirect to Chhota Bheem-- we don't have a page on this movie. Delete.
- 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 03:41, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Delete all per nom. M S Hassan (talk) 04:15, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
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Tone (color)
- Tone (color) → Lightness (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Tone (color theory) → Tint, shade and tone (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
These two redirects should point to the same article. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:40, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Tone is an ambiguous term? There are separate articles about color and color theory – and color science! – and colorimetry and color appearance model! In English, "tone" has many meanings; the applicable meaning here is " The shade or quality of a colour." (disambiguation of an ambiguous term by a definition which uses more ambiguous terms). Is there really such a thing as color quality (quality (color)?? – wbm1058 (talk) 10:02, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 17:00, 8 July 2024 (UTC)- Target both to Tint, shade and tone. The Lightness article has four mentions of the word Tone according to ctrl-f: the first is a link to Tint, shade and tone that pretty much rephrases that article's title ("Tints, shades, and tones"), the second is a See Also link that also goes to Tint, shade and tone, the third is a third link to Tint, shade and tone, this time as part of the Color Topics template, and the fourth is a link to Pantone that's also in the Color Topics template. From this we can easily deduce that the information someone looking for when they search Tone (color) is *not* on the Lightness page itself, and is instead on the Tint, Shade and Tone page. Retarget as appropriate. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 17:25, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget Tone (color theory) to Color theory#Tints and shades, while altering the section heading and including a brief mention of tone. Delete Tone (color) as vague, unless a strong and unambiguous target can be presented (unmentioned at color). — GodsyCONT) 16:46, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget both to Tint, shade and tone per Lunamann. If someone wants some other meaning of tone in relation to colour they can find it from that article. Thryduulf (talk) 12:51, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
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Raymoo
- Raymoo → List of Touhou Project characters#Reimu Hakurei (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
raymoo hackery is a name generally only seen in shitposts, and i'd honestly be surprised if anyone not nose deep on every touhou rabbit hole knew about it. fittingly, not mentioned in the target, implausible as an actual search (unless you're me), and google gave me nothing reliable cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:03, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Tentative Keep and tag as meme. It's plausible that someone finds one of said shitposts, doesn't know how the original name is spelled, and searches "raymoo" to find info on Reimu. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 22:53, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Tentative Keep. I personally believe that it is a genuine misspelling or respelling, but you would probably be hard-pressed to find a reliable source that mentions it being a meme or shitpost. Honestly, I don't even remember making this redirect in 2012, but I doubt that "Raymoo Hackery" ever crossed my mind since we would be discussing a "Raymoo Hackery" redirect as well. Regardless, the outcome doesn't really matter to me, so do what you may. — Nameless 13:09, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- in your defense, it's funny cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:18, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Not mentioned at target. * Pppery * it has begun... 23:56, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom. I doubt Wikipedia would be the first place a person searching for info on Reimu would turn to. --Un assiolo (talk) 22:33, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: per nom. 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂 • [𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺] 05:14, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
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Electric Turbo
- Electric Turbo → Porsche Taycan (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The Porsche Taycan 'Turbo' models don't actually have a turbocharger, it's just a namesake for a higher-performance model of a car. In that sense, it's kinda misleading. I did a google search, and 'electric turbo' doesn't seem to be a common nickname for the Taycan Turbo models either. Now, looking at retarget options, there does exist electric supercharger (I know technically there's no such thing as an "electric turbo" but that's what {{R from incorrect name}} is for), but having a look at that article, there also exists electrically-assisted turbocharger, so I'm not sure where to retarget it to. — AP 499D25 (talk) 06:27, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Disambig between electrically-assisted turbocharger and electric supercharger. The term seems to be used for both. Thryduulf (talk) 09:25, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to electrically assisted turbocharger - most logical destination for someone searching the term. --Sable232 (talk) 14:44, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Disambiguate the term can also refer to electric-motor-assist power boost (ie. hybrid vehicle with electric assist drive mode, to add power to the gasoline engine's power output) as "turbo" can just refer to a power boost. -- 64.229.90.32 (talk) 07:55, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
Retarget to electrically assisted turbocharger per Sable.I tried drafting a dab, but could not. Electric supercharger has electrically assisted turbocharger as a section, so I do not know if non-turbocharger superchargers are known as Turbo too. Jay 💬 05:55, 28 June 2024 (UTC)- Struck in favour of the below. I don't know if "Electric Turbo" is used to refer to even electrically-assisted turbocharger. Jay 💬 08:29, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete at this capitalisation, which infers a proper noun. Electric turbo is red. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 19:09, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per Shhhnotsoloud. * Pppery * it has begun... 23:25, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- Revisit by the nominator: I would agree with deletion of this particular redirect, recommended by the voters above. The capitalised 'T' does make it sound more like a brand name than a noun. I ran a trademark search (e.g. [36]), and it's not registered anywhere. — AP 499D25 (talk) 05:21, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- I'm still in favour of disambiguation. The term is used in the real world for multiple encyclopaedic things - disambiguation exists to deal with that exact scenario. It can be moved to the lowercase title or a redirect created from that capitalisation, whichever is preferred, as long as people using this search term don't find a red link that's what matters. Thryduulf (talk) 19:00, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- You may draft one, if you see it feasible. As I mentioned, I tried, and could not come up for your two suggested entries. Jay 💬 21:17, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment @Thryduulf: Why vote twice in favour in the same RFD request? Intrisit (talk) 10:11, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- I didn't "vote twice". My second comment was responding to discussion that happened after I left my first comment, highlighting that I was aware of that discussion but explaining why it hadn't changed my mind. Thryduulf (talk) 10:29, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment @Thryduulf: Why vote twice in favour in the same RFD request? Intrisit (talk) 10:11, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
Delete for now As much as I see Thryduulf as a statement to keep this title, I agree/side with Jay, Pppery, Shhhnotsoloud and per WP:TNT that this needs an overhaul for acceptance here on WP. Intrisit (talk) 10:11, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
Cunty
2009 presidential election
Red Caesar
- Red Caesar → Dictatorship (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Caesar is mentioned in the target article, but not Red Caesar. – MrPersonHumanGuy (talk) 21:34, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- The creation summary cites this Philadelphia Enquirer article which makes the connection to dictatorship explicit, but it's too general a target to be useful. The only mention of the term on Wikipedia is at Talk:Claremont Institute#Promotion of "Red Caesar" ideology where, citing an article in The Guardian dated four days prior to the Philadelphia Inquirer one (1 and 5 October 2023 respectively), an IP editor asked "Should we add the fact that the Claremont Institute has been promoting a "Red Caesar" ideology (i.e., a ruler who would nullify the U.S.'s traditional democratic norms)?" but got no reply. Both articles cite the Claremont Institute as the origin of the term and ideal. Given the number of search results the term gets we should probably have some content about it, but unless and until we do the redirect is not helpful so delete until some content is written. Thryduulf (talk) 00:12, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - @Thryduulf: Content already present at Caesarism#21st century (including a namedrop of the aforementioned institute) could probably be easily expanded to include this term. — GodsyCONT) 10:30, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- I'd support a retarget there if it is expanded to include a mention but not otherwise. Thryduulf (talk) 11:20, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris 09:02, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete I see no use in keeping this here any longer. Intrisit (talk) 10:11, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
Empire of Death (Doctor Who novel)
- Empire of Death (Doctor Who novel) → Past Doctor Adventures#List of Past Doctor Adventures (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Move history to correct disambiguation at Empire of Death (Bishop novel). Per WP:BOOKDAB we disambiguate by author not series. See Category:Novels by Peter Darvill-Evans as one example of many. --woodensuperman 08:27, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. This is a perfectly normal {{R from other disambiguation}}. We don't require readers to know our naming conventions before being able to find the article they want. In this case even if they do know that books are generally disambiguated by author they could use this search term if they don't know who wrote it. Thryduulf (talk) 12:13, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- So why do you actually object? Currently, the redirect Empire of Death (Doctor Who novel) is sitting in multiple categories, but really it should be the correctly disambiguated Empire of Death (Bishop novel) in these categories per WP:CONSISTENT. As there is a page history behind the redirected article, it would make sense for the article to be moved, rather than just de-populating the categories from one redirect and re-populating from another. --woodensuperman 12:40, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- What I am objecting to is deletion of a redirect that is useful to readers. If you actually just want to swap the redirects then that's OK, but I admit to not understanding the point. Thryduulf (talk) 13:29, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not advocating removal of either redirect, both are valid. Just need to move the history to the correctly disambiguated one, and make sure the correctly disambiguated one is the one populating the categories. Should have been simple maintenance, but another editor objected for no apparent reason. --woodensuperman 13:35, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- What I am objecting to is deletion of a redirect that is useful to readers. If you actually just want to swap the redirects then that's OK, but I admit to not understanding the point. Thryduulf (talk) 13:29, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- So why do you actually object? Currently, the redirect Empire of Death (Doctor Who novel) is sitting in multiple categories, but really it should be the correctly disambiguated Empire of Death (Bishop novel) in these categories per WP:CONSISTENT. As there is a page history behind the redirected article, it would make sense for the article to be moved, rather than just de-populating the categories from one redirect and re-populating from another. --woodensuperman 12:40, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep the history at the current location. This is a book that originates from a television series, and thus conforms across multiple naming conventions. Per WP:NCEPISODE, which primarily focuses on episode and character articles,
Where the title is the same as an episode, character, or other element from the show, disambiguate further using Article title (Show Title episode/character/element).
As per the example given, this covers all other elements; i.e. just how Serenity (Firefly episode) and Serenity (Firefly vessel) are disambiguated from each other using the same programme name, as are Empire of Death (Doctor Who episode) and Empire of Death (Doctor Who novel). Given that the article also doesn't actually exist due to the AFD related to it, note that the AFD related to the Doctor Who disambiguation, and thus the relevant history should remain at the Doctor Who disambiguation.
-- Alex_21 TALK 07:54, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- This is a book, not a TV episode, therefore we follow the naming conventions at WP:NCBOOKS. Simple as that. --woodensuperman 10:32, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- It is media from and related to a television series, thus it crosses multiple naming conventions; per the lead of NCTV, it covers the
article title for any topic related to television
. Ta. -- Alex_21 TALK 22:57, 25 July 2024 (UTC)- So where is the specific part of that guideline that covers naming conventions for TV related books? I think you'll find it's still WP:NCBOOKS. --woodensuperman 18:41, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- I have argued my position, and will not go in our textbook circular discussions. We'll await the consensus of this discussion. Cheers. -- Alex_21 TALK 23:40, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- So where is the specific part of that guideline that covers naming conventions for TV related books? I think you'll find it's still WP:NCBOOKS. --woodensuperman 18:41, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- It is media from and related to a television series, thus it crosses multiple naming conventions; per the lead of NCTV, it covers the
Lee Min-ho (singer)
- Lee Min-ho (singer) → Lee Min-ho (disambiguation) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Currently redirects to the dab page because two people named Lee Min-ho are singers: one is the member of Stray Kids Lee Know and the other is a more prominent actor Lee Min-ho. Which do you think is a more suitable target, Lee Know or the K-drama actor? ScarletViolet 💬 📝 11:48, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as is: Judging by the pageviews, Lee Min-ho is nearly 6 times more visited than Lee Know. However, it seems that Lee Min-ho is more known for being an actor than a singer, while Lee Know is primarily known for his K-Pop singing/dancing. Most readers would type Lee Min-ho (actor) instead of (singer). However, Lee Know is better known by his stage name than his real name. I think there is too much factors at play here to accurate judge the reader's intention, or WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. It shouldn't be deleted per Wikipedia:INCOMPDAB, which says to redirect to the more general disamb page if there is no primary topic. Ca 15:12, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as is The standard for partial disamsbiguation is extremely high and this doesn't meet it. * Pppery * it has begun... 15:51, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as is per above. I don't think the standard for partial disambiguation should be as high as it is, but even by my standards there is no primary topic here. Thryduulf (talk) 17:34, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- The base name is a singer so shouldn't it redirect there if the South Korean singer has been deemed the primary topic for the base name? If there is no primary topic the DAB should be moved to the base name. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:31, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting due to Crouch, Swale's observation.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris 07:34, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Move disambiguation page to Lee Min-ho. Crouch, Swale is right. Since other editors agree there is no primary topic, the base name should be the disambiguation page and Lee Min-ho (singer) should be retargeted to Lee Min-ho as ambiguous. C F A 💬 15:00, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think other editors are arguing that the title "Lee Min-ho" has no primary topic. Judging by the pageviews, and the fact that Lee Know are known better for his screen name make me to believe that the Lee Min-ho the actor is primary topic for the title "Lee Min-ho". The nominator has said
other is a more prominent actor Lee Min-ho
. What I think ambiguous in terms of primary topic is the title "Lee Min-ho" with (singer) attached to it, for reasons I mentioned above. Ca 15:07, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think other editors are arguing that the title "Lee Min-ho" has no primary topic. Judging by the pageviews, and the fact that Lee Know are known better for his screen name make me to believe that the Lee Min-ho the actor is primary topic for the title "Lee Min-ho". The nominator has said
Draft:San Diego Clippers (NBA)
Mesopotamian language
Joe Biden's uncle who got eaten by cannibals
- Joe Biden's uncle who got eaten by cannibals → Family of Joe Biden (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention of his uncle being eaten by cannibals at the target. * Pppery * it has begun... 23:07, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- I added a sentence about the coverage of the cannibal business to the family article. pbp 17:36, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Amazingly to me this isn't just vandalism - Joe Biden's Uncle (Probably) Wasn't Eaten by Cannibals - but it isn't mentioned, and as far as I can tell, has never been mentioned at the target article or anywhere else on Wikipedia. It is mentioned at q:Joe Biden#April 2024 but I don't think someone using this search term is looking for the quote but rather information about Biden's uncle (Ambrose J. Finnegan Jr.) and they won't find that at Wikiquote, or indeed more than a sentence at Family of Joe Biden#Maternal. Thryduulf (talk) 23:44, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per Thryduulf. Thought for sure this was an obvious hoax/attack page, but no, it was a real thing. There is no mention of this on Wikipedia, though. C F A 💬 23:52, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- I added a sentence about the coverage of the cannibal business to the family article. pbp 03:23, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete both the redirect and the mention. WP:ONEWAY. We don't need to cover every single conspiracy theory. 142.113.140.146 (talk) 05:02, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- I added a sentence about the coverage of the cannibal business to the family article. pbp 03:23, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep The idea of Joe Biden's uncle being eaten by cannibals (or not) has received significant enough media coverage to justify a redirect. pbp 00:03, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- No amount of coverage justifies misleading people into thinking we have relevant content when we don't. The amount of coverage might justify adding content somewhere relevant, at which point we can consider the redirect, but unless and until that happens the redirect is harmful. Thryduulf (talk) 01:44, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- I added a sentence about the coverage of the cannibal business to the family article. pbp 03:23, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- No amount of coverage justifies misleading people into thinking we have relevant content when we don't. The amount of coverage might justify adding content somewhere relevant, at which point we can consider the redirect, but unless and until that happens the redirect is harmful. Thryduulf (talk) 01:44, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. WP:Patent nonsense. WWGB (talk) 01:55, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- @WWGB although it really does look like nonsense at first glance, it actually isn't. See the links in my and pbp's comments above. Thryduulf (talk) 02:35, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete for now. I don't think Joe Biden has any uncles. 88.235.215.238 (talk) 11:50, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Ambrose Biden was a real person... pbp 12:32, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - it sounds ridiculous, it probably is ridiculous, but it was a thing that Biden actually asserted multiple times. If someone has seen a clip of him saying it and wanted to find out more about it, searching "Joe Biden's uncle who got eaten by cannibals" is a pretty reasonable way of trying to find out more information about it. Now that it's included in the target article the redirect seems like a good one to me BugGhost🦗👻 12:39, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as it has significant media coverage. 🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 14:29, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per above discussion. Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:48, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep but refine to Family of Joe Biden#Maternal. One of the silliest titles for a redirect that is not the result of vandalism (which makes it a good candidate for my list), but the significant amount of media coverage probably justifies Purplebackpack89's short addition. Dsuke1998AEOS (talk) 14:07, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
The Wolf Man (2018 film)
"Wolfman", "Wolf man", and "Wolf-man"
Nick Demase
Ruvaush
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 July 31#Ruvaush
Assassination threats against Donald Trump
AAoDT
Sadalpheretz
Toad Town
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 2#Toad Town
Girl Toad
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 2#Girl Toad
Mr. K (film)
Autoblog
Target page uses "auto blog" (with the space) once in the lead, unsourced (source in the sentence verifies "splog" but does not use "auto". Seems like this redirect (without the space) should be going to the publication mentioned in the hatnote, and perhaps some changes should be made to the spam blog page (or at least another source found for use of the term). QuietHere (talk | contributions) 14:07, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- I don't object to deleting the redirect. It's been in place for years. As for the target page, it's using a lot of the terminology incorrectly and needs a lot of work. However, the usual "reliable sources" aren't reliable with respect to SEO terminology because there are no definitive sources of information on that terminology. An "auto blog" is not necessarily a spam blog. Not all spam blogs are auto blogs. Virtually no one in the industry uses "splog" and it was never a very popular term. It was used primarily here on Wikipedia. The word is found mostly in non-SEO glossaries and a few Web hosting companies' sites. They're either copying the Wikipedia definition or the original Wired article that introduced the term. I think this is why people like me mostly just watch the SEO pages for vandalism. They are at best borderline acceptable for Wikipedia inclusion. Michael Martinez (talk) 14:16, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: I don't see any reliable sources using the term. It should also be removed from the lead of the target. C F A 💬 20:09, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- @CFA and Michael Martinez: did either of you consider the retargeting option I mentioned in my nomination? QuietHere (talk | contributions) 03:24, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, that is a good idea. Must've missed it the first time. I change my vote to retarget to Weblogs, Inc.#Autoblog and remove the mention from Spam blog. I imagine this would be the primary topic for "Autoblog" even if it was occasionally used to refer to spam blogs. C F A 💬 03:45, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- @CFA and Michael Martinez: did either of you consider the retargeting option I mentioned in my nomination? QuietHere (talk | contributions) 03:24, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget per nom. Jay 💬 17:03, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
Neo-newtonian
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 July 30#Neo-newtonian
Peter Selvaratnam
Wiimake
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 July 30#Wiimake
Unfallen (2017 film)
Game deck
Not mentioned in the target article, leaving the connection between the target article and the redirect unclear. Per the edit history of the redirect, seems the intent of this term was to correlate with the subject at Handheld game console. However, this term has been WP:SEO'ed on third party search engines to apparently establish that this phrase exclusively refers to Steam Deck. (This redirect is a {{R with history}}.) Steel1943 (talk) 21:57, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to Deck-building game or maybe just Playing card (which is where Deck of cards also goes), or Card game. Googling "game deck" (including quotes) supports this. Steam deck doesn't refer to itself as a "game deck" (google results for "game deck" (no quotes) showing Steam Decks are just because the the Steam Deck plays/allows purchase of games. BugGhost🦗👻 10:10, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
Video game demographics
- Video game demographics → Video game#Demographics (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The section where this redirect targets is not currently in the target article. The target article does mention the word "demographics" 4 times, but it does not seem as though there is a proper location/section within the article to target this redirect. Also, leaving the redirect to target the base article title Video game could be unhelpful since readers would have to hunt down in various places what they are trying to find, and even then, they may not find what they are looking for. I'm thinking this redirect may be a WP:REDLINK deletion candidate. Steel1943 (talk) 21:43, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
Videogame type
Electronic entertainment
- Electronic entertainment → Video game (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The concept is not exclusive to its target. First exceptions that come to mind are Television and Film. Steel1943 (talk) 21:35, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - Outline of entertainment#Electronic entertainment may be a viable target (but the sub-list badly needs revised; e.g. arcade games are not listed but generalized toys are). — GodsyCONT) 06:16, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
Game trading
- Game trading → Video game (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not exclusive to Video game. Could refer to any subtopic of Game with a physical (or heck, some virtual/digital in today's world) representation. Steel1943 (talk) 21:32, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as vague. Actually the first thing that comes to mind are trading card games --Lenticel 00:13, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
Computer and video game distinction
Home computer game
- Home computer game → PC game (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Home computer games → PC game (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not sure if these redirects should be retained at their current target or be retargeted to Video game. Per the result of Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 May 5#Computer game, Computer game was retargeted away from PC game and to Video game. Considering the current states of the articles Home computer and Personal computer ("PC" in the current target), it does not seem as though the usage of the phrase "home computer" exclusively refers to "personal computer". Steel1943 (talk) 21:11, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- I think the target works with the significant home computer game history on the PC game article and is not comparable to the computer game redirect result. A disambiguation hatnote was added to the video game article by me, maybe add something similar to PC game? IgelRM (talk) 08:24, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
Multiplayer Online Adventure Game
- Multiplayer Online Adventure Game → Multiplayer video game (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- MOAG → Multiplayer video game (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The word "adventure" is nowhere in the target article, leaving it unclear what this redirect is meant to refer or define. Steel1943 (talk) 20:51, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. (Also bundled in 'MOAG'.) I can't find any evidence online of usage. Seemingly just the creator's personal invention/modification of 'MOG'/multiplayer online game. Hyphenation Expert (talk) 00:11, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Tagged as {{R with history}}. Jay 💬 18:00, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
Online multi-player gamers
- Online multi-player gamers → Game#Multiplayer games (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This redirect seems vague/unclear, specifically since the redirect uses the word "gamers" instead of "games", as well as the word "online". Between several topics including the current target, Multiplayer video game, Massively multiplayer online game, Gamer and/or subtopics, amongst others, it does not seem clear where this redirect should target, if anywhere. Steel1943 (talk) 20:36, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
Land 2
Priestess
- Priestess → Priest (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Female priest → Ordination of women (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Re-target to Ordination of women. This is for consistency with Female priest, as agreed upon at Talk:Priestess_(disambiguation)#Requested_move_25_August_2023. Discussion of the other redirect occurred at Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2023_September_15#Female_priest. There are concerns about the appropriateness of the current target to house a section for the target of this redirect. See Talk:Priest#Priestesses. 174.92.25.207 (talk) 19:59, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. A priestess is a female priest, therefore the topic is clearly the covered by the article at priest. I've never heard the term used in connection with the origination of women, and would be frankly rather WP:ASTONISHed if the redirect went there. — Amakuru (talk) 20:43, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- It's ordination, not origination. jlwoodwa (talk) 20:54, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- I nominated the other redirect Female priest in case we want to change it to Priest for consistency.
- @Amakuru: You "never heard the term ... the origination of women, and ... WP:ASTONISHed"?
FYI, I created this RfD while dealing with Draft:Priestess, and related articles' history might be useful. 174.92.25.207 (talk) 21:09, 22 July 2024 (UTC)Keep per Shhhnotsoloud - if someone prepends "female" to this then the topic is most likely to refer to ordination of women
— User:Amakuru 15:08, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- Comment I might support a split of Ordination of women, with some of it being split off to Priestess and the rest moved to Ordination of women in Christianity. These appear to be 2 separate notable concepts that don't have to be combined. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 12:12, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you. That is what I've been attempting to accurately do.
- Personal bias disclosed: I use the title. And it is legally valid in my region.
- Whilst I am a minority to use it in my particular faith tradition, I know many other women in ministry of different faiths, who also sincerely use it for official purposes. As well
- As historically. Any woman in many countries, that worked as a ceremony lead in any kind of temple, often was called a Priestess. Priestess Noel Ann (talk) 18:54, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- In favour of making the https://en.m.wikipedia.org/key/Draft:Priestess its own page, linked to Ordination of women.
- Priestess Noel Ann (talk) 14:51, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
"Super Mario Bros. 35"
Assassination of Donald Trump
- Assassination of Donald Trump → Attempted assassination of Donald Trump (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This has twice been deleted as an attack page, once by Liz and once by Isabelle Belato. While it does impute a motive to the gunman, it also strikes me as a plausible redirect. Hence my taking it here for further discussion as to a correct outcome. If deletion is decided to be appropriate I would suggest the page be salted. Barkeep49 (talk) 19:09, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: Plausible search term redirect. C F A 💬 19:15, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- It's a blatant WP:G10 violation. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 19:16, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- "Blatant" is quite the stretch here. It is a plausible search term. Who is it targeting as an attack page? C F A 💬 19:21, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- It meets this criterion as it is inherently negative and misleading. Redirects implying the death or assassination of a living person can have serious reputational impacts. In the case of a high-profile individual like Donald Trump, such implications can be considered defamatory and harmful. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 19:26, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- "Blatant" is quite the stretch here. It is a plausible search term. Who is it targeting as an attack page? C F A 💬 19:21, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- It's a blatant WP:G10 violation. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 19:16, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete and WP:SALT per WP:G10. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 19:15, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- I don't see who this disparages, at least in any way that the actual title of the page it redirects to does. Indeed, it grants the perpetrator a success that the directed page doesn't. -- Nat Gertler (talk) 19:18, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Hence it disparages the target, Donald Trump. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 19:20, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not seeing how that is a disparagement. An inaccuracy, yes, but it says nothing about his character, and if followed, the situation is quickly revealed. -- Nat Gertler (talk) 19:24, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Even if the redirect does not disparage character, its misleading nature and potential to cause harm align with the reasons for which similar pages have been deleted. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 19:27, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not seeing how that is a disparagement. An inaccuracy, yes, but it says nothing about his character, and if followed, the situation is quickly revealed. -- Nat Gertler (talk) 19:24, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Hence it disparages the target, Donald Trump. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 19:20, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Neveselbert who is the living person being attacked? Can you explain a bit further how they're being attacked? I'm entirely willing to admit I might be missing something (and indeed did a sanity check before declining and bringing it here given that two admins I respect had already deleted it as G10). Barkeep49 (talk) 19:21, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- We have a responsibility to present accurate and neutral information. A title like this fails to meet these standards by presenting a false and sensational version of events. Two respected administrators have already deemed the redirect a violation, indicating a consensus that it constitutes an attack page. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 19:30, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- I am also someone who regularly patrols and deletes G10s and so knowing what the community consensus was felt like an appropriate step to take. For me, it seems like WP:RNEUTRAL would allow this title to me if it wasn't a BLP violation. So far it's not clear how Trump is harmed by someone saying he was assassination any more than Obama is harmed by the listed example around his being a Muslim in our redirect guideline. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 19:58, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Even if not a direct attack, implying false events about living persons can contribute to defamation and misinformation. The potential harm is in the misinformation and the sensational nature of the title. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 20:48, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- You lost me. What misinformation? and what sensational title? The way the redirect works is that the article Attempted assassination of Donald Trump would pop up. Is there any misinformation in that article? Is the title of that article sensational? The Mountain of Eden (talk) 21:27, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- It suggests that an assassination occurred, which is not true, creating an initial impression that can confuse readers before they even reach the accurate target article. This misinformation arises from the misleading nature of the redirect itself, causing unnecessary alarm. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 23:03, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- This is a big exaggeration. It is not going to confuse or alarm anyone. If they visit the redirect, they will be sent to the appropriate page which clarifies what actually happened. C F A 💬 23:18, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- People might see the redirect title in search results or links without visiting the page, leading to the spread of the misinformation that his assassination took place. The mere existence of such a redirect title can propagate false information. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 23:39, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- This is a big exaggeration. It is not going to confuse or alarm anyone. If they visit the redirect, they will be sent to the appropriate page which clarifies what actually happened. C F A 💬 23:18, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- It suggests that an assassination occurred, which is not true, creating an initial impression that can confuse readers before they even reach the accurate target article. This misinformation arises from the misleading nature of the redirect itself, causing unnecessary alarm. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 23:03, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- You lost me. What misinformation? and what sensational title? The way the redirect works is that the article Attempted assassination of Donald Trump would pop up. Is there any misinformation in that article? Is the title of that article sensational? The Mountain of Eden (talk) 21:27, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Even if not a direct attack, implying false events about living persons can contribute to defamation and misinformation. The potential harm is in the misinformation and the sensational nature of the title. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 20:48, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- I am also someone who regularly patrols and deletes G10s and so knowing what the community consensus was felt like an appropriate step to take. For me, it seems like WP:RNEUTRAL would allow this title to me if it wasn't a BLP violation. So far it's not clear how Trump is harmed by someone saying he was assassination any more than Obama is harmed by the listed example around his being a Muslim in our redirect guideline. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 19:58, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- We have a responsibility to present accurate and neutral information. A title like this fails to meet these standards by presenting a false and sensational version of events. Two respected administrators have already deemed the redirect a violation, indicating a consensus that it constitutes an attack page. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 19:30, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- I don't see who this disparages, at least in any way that the actual title of the page it redirects to does. Indeed, it grants the perpetrator a success that the directed page doesn't. -- Nat Gertler (talk) 19:18, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- I don't see how this title is a G10 any more than its target's is. —Cryptic 19:18, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- He was not assassinated. It's no different to having a Death of Donald Trump redirect. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 19:19, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- It is different. Where would Death of Donald Trump redirect to? Assassination of Donald Trump simply eliminates a word and brings you to the accurate page. He was very nearly assassinated. If anything, it's better to have this redirect to clarify any confusion about what happened. C F A 💬 19:29, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- The search function can achieve that without the use of a fictional redirect. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 19:32, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- It is different. Where would Death of Donald Trump redirect to? Assassination of Donald Trump simply eliminates a word and brings you to the accurate page. He was very nearly assassinated. If anything, it's better to have this redirect to clarify any confusion about what happened. C F A 💬 19:29, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- He was not assassinated. It's no different to having a Death of Donald Trump redirect. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 19:19, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - it's a shortened version of the the target page. The fact that the attemptted assassination was not successful does not make it an invalid redirect. I think it's in compliance with WP:SHORT.
The Mountain of Eden (talk) 19:22, 22 July 2024 (UTC)The Mountain of Eden (talk) 19:34, 22 July 2024 (UTC) - I would say Delete as "Assassination of Donald Trump" would imply an actual assassination; But I could also got for Keep with caveat to mark the redirect with {{R from non-neutral name}} →AzaToth 19:58, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- It's not non-neutral, it's just wrong. —Alalch E. 21:55, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. A clear and obvious term under which someone might search for this event. — Amakuru (talk) 20:44, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - I don't think it falls under G10 (Assassinate Donald Trump would be a blatant G10 violation, not sure about this title), but it is very misleading and inaccurate, does not seem to fall under WP:RPURPOSE, and does appear to fail WP:R#DELETE #2... as Neveselbert already said, it is as plausible of a search term for the event in question as Killing of Donald Trump or Death of Donald Trump... he was not assassinated, no one that has heard anything about the event is going to think he was assassinated, thus no one is likely to be searching for the Assassination of Donald Trump... and I think I also agree with it being SALTed, until (if) it is ever a true statement, at which point we would obviously need to create a new article using this title... - Adolphus79 (talk) 21:06, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Not an attack page. Valid member of Category:Redirects from incorrect names. Falls under WP:PURPOSE: Serve content to readers matching their query. We know what topic they want to read an article on, so we serve them that article. That is the purpose. They misidenfied the nature of the thing or used imprecise words to refer to the thing—they land at the correctly titled article about the thing where they can get knowledge. What else is the purpose?—Alalch E. 21:54, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- About WP:R#D2: That's for redirects that can cause confusion in the scenario that the wrong idea about what something is persists or is reinforced after reading the title of the page you land on and its first sentence as well, at least. Here, there is no such confusion, because if someone thinks that Trump was killed (esoteric scenario) they will be told in the first sentence that he survived, and "Attempted assassination" is clear enough in itself. If someone was to use imprecise words, failing to distinguish between an assassination and an attempted assassination, while knowing that Trump was not killed in the event (the actual, real, scenario), there would be no confusion to begin with. So that reason to delete a redirect does not apply. It's for more ambiguous cases where the redirect title denotes an incorrect idea that can plausibly get reinforced after arriving at the page, because the start of the page does not directly contradict and dispel the idea. —Alalch E. 22:44, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, very plausible search term, not at all an attack page unless I'm missing some article history in the deleted versions. I don't think people will always slide in "attempted" when searching for events. We have the 2024 Bolivian coup redirect as a recent example. CMD (talk) 01:53, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as a plausible search term. To get things out of the way, it did not meet G10 as it does not disparage Donald Trump, nor is it defamatory, so I don't understand how it was deleted twice by different administrators as that. Also, to imply that this title is somehow equivalent to "Attempted of Donald Trump" is highly inappropriate – that title would not make grammatical sense and would not be a plausible search term. (As a full disclosure, I found out about the G10s from an off-wiki discussion; I was not asked to vote one way or the other and I wasn't selectively notified). Sdrqaz (talk) 03:58, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, obviously plausible abbreviation of a search term. Same with Trump assassination. Hyphenation Expert (talk) 09:46, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Also noting the Reagan assassination RfD result: "Keep". Hyphenation Expert (talk) 15:45, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Very clearly a plausible search term and not even close to being a G10 candidate and I'm shocked that two experienced administrators would think otherwise. In addition to the points made above it's plausible for a non-native speaker not to realise that "assassination" refers specifically to an event that resulted in the targetted person's death rather than an attempt whether successful or otherwise. Thryduulf (talk) 13:02, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep agree with Thryduulf its not a G10 and that people might not now that the intended victim survived so while its arguably inaccurate its not completely as it was still an attempt. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:37, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. 1) It's ghoulish and harassing. 2) Trump and the unsuccessful assassination attempt are too well-known for this to be a plausible search term. 3) It's also superfluous. If someone does search for it, they'll get this result on WP and on Google Attempted assassination of Donald Trump as the top search result. Space4Time3Continuum2x🖖 17:41, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- From WP:REDIRECT: "
Redirects aid navigation and searching by allowing a page to be reached under alternative titles.
" The redirect would therefore eliminate this unneeded search result. The Mountain of Eden (talk) 19:37, 23 July 2024 (UTC) - And who exactly does this redirect harass? The Mountain of Eden (talk) 19:39, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Trump, being declared dead. He's sued for less, not that I expect him to be reading WP redirects or WP. Alternative titles would be "feline" and "cat" but only Schrodinger's cat can be both alive and dead. "Assassination" is not another term for "attempted assassination", it's another term for killing or murder. Space4Time3Continuum2x🖖 20:47, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- I have to admit, your response made me laugh. I can't imagine the indivuduals listed in the article List of prematurely reported obituaries having felt harassed for making the list. The Mountain of Eden (talk) 21:23, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Most of the people on the list are dead now, so they're past feeling anything, and I wouldn't worry about complaints from people who faked their own deaths, such as the fugitive sex offender under 'A'. Maybe I should switch my comment to "keep" since Trump's description of the aftermath has a distinct biblical Easter vibe (
When I rose surrounded by Secret Service, the crowd was confused because they thought I was dead. And there was great, great sorrow
) — nah. Space4Time3Continuum2x🖖 12:21, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Most of the people on the list are dead now, so they're past feeling anything, and I wouldn't worry about complaints from people who faked their own deaths, such as the fugitive sex offender under 'A'. Maybe I should switch my comment to "keep" since Trump's description of the aftermath has a distinct biblical Easter vibe (
- I have to admit, your response made me laugh. I can't imagine the indivuduals listed in the article List of prematurely reported obituaries having felt harassed for making the list. The Mountain of Eden (talk) 21:23, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Trump, being declared dead. He's sued for less, not that I expect him to be reading WP redirects or WP. Alternative titles would be "feline" and "cat" but only Schrodinger's cat can be both alive and dead. "Assassination" is not another term for "attempted assassination", it's another term for killing or murder. Space4Time3Continuum2x🖖 20:47, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- From WP:REDIRECT: "
- Keep, this search term is actually more likely than with "attempted" in front --FMSky (talk) 21:31, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - plausible search term. I don't see this as eligible for G10 and I don't agree that the existence of the redirect means, in any way, that Wikipedia is saying the assassination was successful. For those who think there was an "assassination of Donald Trump," the redirect to the article about the attempted assassination will educate them. Misleading and inaccurate redirect titles that redirect the reader to accurate articles are helpful. It's just like "Trump assassination" or other variations. Levivich (talk) 03:59, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Looks as though we have another candidate for deletion. Space4Time3Continuum2x🖖 12:23, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- If you think it should be deleted then nominate it, but I will recommend keeping that for exactly the same reasons as I am recommending keeping this one - it's useful and not at harmful. Thryduulf (talk) 16:48, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Looks as though we have another candidate for deletion. Space4Time3Continuum2x🖖 12:23, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep I deliberately searched this, expecting a redirect, because I didn't want to bother adding "attempted". A redirect can be inaccurate (e.g. any {{r from misspelling}} and still be a useful search term Mach61 15:58, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep for the reasoning from @CFA, @Amakuru, @Thryduulf, @Hyphenation Expert, and probably many others. Coulomb1 (talk) 21:47, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. This is indeed an incorrect title. But {{r from incorrect name}} does exist, and it exists precisely for the sorts of situations where a reasonable search term is factually incorrect. I have myself searched this in the searchbar, expecting it to come to the page on the attempted assassination, and was brought here as a result; the redirect is clearly useful. I also do not see how this is an attack page. I simply do not think it can reasonably read to
disparage, threaten, intimidate, or harass
any particular person—the application of the {{r from incorrect name}} tag makes this all quite clear—and the usefulness for search renders the idea that the redirectserve no other purpose
than disparagement, threat, intimidation, or harassment to be untenable. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 01:29, 27 July 2024 (UTC) - Delete and salt per Adolphus, unless we have precedent for creating similar redirects for failed assassination attempts. Jay 💬 18:19, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- Reagan assassination→Attempted assassination of Ronald Reagan (RFD) was mentioned above. There's also Assassination of Theodore Roosevelt→Attempted assassination of Theodore Roosevelt, Assassination of Mustafa Al-Kadhimi→Attempted assassination of Mustafa Al-Kadhimi, Assassination of Brett Kavanaugh→Brett Kavanaugh assassination plot, and Assassination of hitler→Assassination attempts on Adolf Hitler. —Cryptic 18:49, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for finding these. They are not precedents, they bad redirects and may be deleted as well. Assassination of Theodore Roosevelt was created last year, and the poorly capitalized Assassination of hitler was created some months back by a user now blocked. Jay 💬 05:50, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Reagan assassination→Attempted assassination of Ronald Reagan (RFD) was mentioned above. There's also Assassination of Theodore Roosevelt→Attempted assassination of Theodore Roosevelt, Assassination of Mustafa Al-Kadhimi→Attempted assassination of Mustafa Al-Kadhimi, Assassination of Brett Kavanaugh→Brett Kavanaugh assassination plot, and Assassination of hitler→Assassination attempts on Adolf Hitler. —Cryptic 18:49, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
Sącz dialect
- Sącz dialect → Sącz Lachs (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not found at target article. Bgsu98 (Talk) 19:08, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete and speedy. This whole region is very complicated dialectally and in terms of terminology, and so things had to change. Vininn126 (talk) 19:11, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
Lebanese Forces Cross
Calls for Joe Biden to suspend his 2024 United States presidential campaign
Vocal minority
Varsity (upcoming film)
- Varsity (upcoming film) → Prime Target (TV series) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
I have no idea what the idea is behind this redirect but in my opinion it is useless The Banner talk 16:55, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- I created Varsity (upcoming film), someone else separately created Prime Target (TV series). It is my understanding that these are for the same production, and Prime Target is the correct title for broadcast. Hildreth gazzard (talk) 17:03, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep but move to Varsity (TV series) since the subject is not a film per se, and the word "upcoming" is unnecessary IMO; also mention that "Varsity" was the original title of the series before production began. CycloneYoris 01:25, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Move to Varsity (TV series) per Cyclone. 88.235.215.238 (talk) 18:36, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
Power flower
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North West Leicestershire by-election, 2010
- North West Leicestershire by-election, 2010 → David Taylor (North West Leicestershire MP) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Never happened. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 22:50, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- Weak refine to the "Standing down" section where it gets explained the most. There are a few hits dotted around the web as a by-election was expected. Thryduulf (talk) 23:16, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- In which case it should be renamed Planned North West Leicestershire by-election, 2010, without leaving a redirect. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 18:41, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- If this were an article I could support moving but only retaining a redirect, as a redirect I can only oppose. The current title is the plausible search term, given that's how UK by-election articles are titled. Thryduulf (talk) 08:00, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- It's not at all plausible, it's a fictional event. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 04:21, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Not it's not fictional. It was an expected event that ended up not happening because it turned out to be a rare exception to the norm of by-elections happening within ~four months of a vacancy arising. Given that norm and the rarity of exceptions, it is very plausible for someone seeing the MP for North West Leicestershire died in late December 2009 to expect there to have been a by-election in the constituency in the first quarter of 2010. Thryduulf (talk) 10:42, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, it is ultimately fictional, as it never happened and can never happen, as it's no longer 2010. Like I said, the redirect can be moved to serve the same purpose. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 17:07, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Not it's not fictional. It was an expected event that ended up not happening because it turned out to be a rare exception to the norm of by-elections happening within ~four months of a vacancy arising. Given that norm and the rarity of exceptions, it is very plausible for someone seeing the MP for North West Leicestershire died in late December 2009 to expect there to have been a by-election in the constituency in the first quarter of 2010. Thryduulf (talk) 10:42, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- It's not at all plausible, it's a fictional event. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 04:21, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- If this were an article I could support moving but only retaining a redirect, as a redirect I can only oppose. The current title is the plausible search term, given that's how UK by-election articles are titled. Thryduulf (talk) 08:00, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- In which case it should be renamed Planned North West Leicestershire by-election, 2010, without leaving a redirect. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 18:41, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- Did the preparations for the by-election actually start? The Banner talk 11:19, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- AIUI formal preparations can only start once the writ for the election has been issued (which it never was), but it is very likely that at least some informal ones were. Given that those same preparations would have just become preparations for the general election when that was called, and most of them wouldn't have been newsworthy I'm not sure how you'd go about ascertaining, especially at this distance. Thryduulf (talk) 16:59, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- The by-election should have been within four months after vacating the seat, if I read it correct. That would bring the by-election to the end of April 2010 (roughly). That makes it more than likely that the by-election was effectively cancelled due to the upcoming general election. So in my opinion, it makes sense to retarget to 2010 United Kingdom general election The Banner talk 18:07, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- AIUI formal preparations can only start once the writ for the election has been issued (which it never was), but it is very likely that at least some informal ones were. Given that those same preparations would have just become preparations for the general election when that was called, and most of them wouldn't have been newsworthy I'm not sure how you'd go about ascertaining, especially at this distance. Thryduulf (talk) 16:59, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
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Mystic Ruins
- Mystic Ruins → Sonic Chronicles: The Dark Brotherhood#Plot (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
either vague, or more closely associated with sonic adventure cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 14:20, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete. I was surprised to see this term has a clear primary topic - Sonic Adventure. Normally that would result in a recommendation to retarget, but the phrase is not mentioned in that article or anywhere else in article space (other than two passing mentions that would not make a good target). Thryduulf (talk) 13:10, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- This used to be an article. Tagged as {{R with history}}. Jay 💬 18:31, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
Template:Simbad link
Active worlds in the Solar System
- Active worlds in the Solar System → Volcano#Volcanoes on other celestial bodies (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
not the biggest volcano nerd out there, so sorry in advance for any uninformed claims, but from reading the target and other related articles, there seem to be no other celestial bodies that meet the criteria of being a "world", currently having volcanic activity, and being in the solar system, though mercury is a strong "maybe". on another note, i'm not entirely sure "active world" is a term used to refer to volcanic activity, and the creator of the redirect (who seems to have made it as an essay) seemed to have also been referring to geysers, and counting moons as "worlds". for results. wikipedia gave me an mmo (shoutouts to hitomi fujiko), google gave me assorted apps and brands, and wiktionary gave me nothing. unless there's a detail i'm missing or this is a scientific term that refers to celestial bodies with volcanic activity, i'll vote for deletion cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 17:07, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- on this note, i should mention "volcanically active worlds", a redirect that specifies the type of activity it refers to and does not specify the location. jury's still out on the definition of world though, but it's a step in the right direction cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 17:16, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- Is there a better redirect at this time as is this not a redirect with potential.?
- Jury is out on definition of volcano as noted in the article itself and presumably meaning of world. Planet and moon are more accurate terms. Many "worlds" are active in some way as they are above absolute zero and may have internal or external entropy sources that disturb their surface however that is defined. Someone could get a good article out of this so my vote is to retain in hope someone will do the job, unless there is a better redirect. ChaseKiwi (talk) 17:56, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- drifting into personal opinion territory by now, but wouldn't returning to red be better for that? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 18:05, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- I think "Active worlds" is too ambiguous to justify keeping "Active worlds in the Solar System" as a redirect to Volcano#Volcanoes on other celestial bodies. I also have not found any other suitable redirect targets because the problem is the lack of meaning in the redirect's title rather than a problem with any targets of the redirect. I recommend delete. GeoWriter (talk) 11:49, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- drifting into personal opinion territory by now, but wouldn't returning to red be better for that? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 18:05, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
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- The term is despite limited google results not novel, see this graphic which seems to go beyond volcanoes, "volcanically active world in our solar system" is also used. This abstract refers to "active worlds" as anything "geophysically" active. The current redirect does seem to not encompass the full scope, but it's also not the most strictly defined term. Perhaps Lists of geological features of the Solar System may be better, but deleting it may also be an option. CMD (talk) 03:53, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
Vice President Vance
Scared Silly
- Scared Silly → Ronald McDonald (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
normally a little vague, but as a name, it seems more primarily associated with an open season movie cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 16:03, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Weak DABify - This is the title of the first episode of The Wacky Adventures of Ronald McDonald, and also for the movie Open Season: Scared Silly. I'm uncertain if the Open Season movie is the WP:PTOPIC for the phrase "Scared Silly" specifically, and google shows that it's the title of more things as well, such as a children's novel by Elizabeth Eulberg (no wiki-page), a picture book by Marc Brown (author) (very famous author), a stage play by Peter Bloedel (probably not notable), and likely many more... as this is a common English expression as well! Google does show the movie a bit more prominently than the other entries, mind you, so the PTOPIC argument can certainly be made, but that's why my DABify !vote is weak. Although I will say, if a PTOPIC is established, a disambiguation page should probably be made alongside it and hatnoted. Fieari (talk) 06:28, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
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Paper Bowser
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FX (African TV channel)
The Economic Times (India)
All-Star Batman and Robin
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Bullitt (album)
Leica MD-2
Republican blue
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Safe state
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Apple reinvents the phone.
- Apple reinvents the phone. → IPhone (1st generation) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Unlikely search term. This appears to be the official slogan of the iPhone. Mia Mahey (talk) 05:01, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as {{r from slogan}}. — GodsyCONT) 10:21, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete for trailing full stop. From Search, the slogan (or rather press release headline) appears to have been "Apple Reinvents the Phone with iPhone". Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 19:23, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Strong keep, as this is the product's slogan. Even if "Apple Reinvents the Phone with iPhone" is the full phrase, strictly speaking, "Apple reinvents the phone" is the concise form which became arguably more popular, and which also gets many search hits. As can be seen from the edit summary, the user who requested the deletion has withdrawn the application anyway.--Maxeto0910 (talk) 13:42, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Apple reinvents the phone may be their slogan and therefore a viable redirect, but Apple reinvents the phone. is not. --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 20:32, 23 July 2024 (UTC)- Among the main purposes of a redirect is that users who can't remember something's name exactly can still find it nonetheless when they type something similar in Wikipedia's search bar. That's also why likely or frequent misspellings are allowed as redirects. Therefore, I see no problem in having a period here since users may assume that this slogan ends with a period since it's a complete sentence. Maxeto0910 (talk) 18:34, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Apple reinvents the phone may be their slogan and therefore a viable redirect, but Apple reinvents the phone. is not. --Ahecht (TALK
- Keep as slogans are valid encyclopedic entries for historically interested people. We usually link to the corresponding product or company, tagging the redirect with
{{R from slogan}}
, unless the slogan became so commonly known that we have a dedicated article about it. (Not an iPhone fan at all, but anyway.) --Matthiaspaul (talk) 17:34, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per Shhhnotsoloud. --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 20:32, 23 July 2024 (UTC) - Weak delete The slogan is unnecessarily long and clearly promotional. Instead something like Phones by Apple Inc. might be useful. IgelRM (talk) 13:02, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- It's not the full slogan, there's the malformed period at the end, it includes the company name (so at best only marginally useful for "hey, I remember that slogan, but not what it's about, let's ask Wikipedia"), and it's not targeted at "an article or section of an article about the slogan" like {{R from slogan}} says it is. Too many things wrong here. Search is sufficient; it'll find the mention in IPhone (1st generation)'s infobox without this redirect's help. Delete. —Cryptic 16:21, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- I explained why I don't think it's a problem that the slogan is not the exact official one and includes a period.
- Also, I don't see it as a problem that the redirect includes the name of the company of the product since there are many iPhone models and the slogan could potentially apply to many of them. Maxeto0910 (talk) 18:39, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- This may be a case of WP:CITOGENESIS as a similar term "iPhone Apple reinvents the phone." was added to the target in 2011, and then changed to the redirect term under discussion in 2012 by 66.121.52.2. Later, external websites may have picked it up. Fix the slogan at the Infobox or keep the redirect. Jay 💬 18:56, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- Exactly. And since the slogan in the shortened, unofficial form has arguably gained more media coverage and popularity (probably because it is more concise), the redirect should be kept. Nonetheless, the slogan in the infobox should be corrected to the arguably less popular full version and get a redirect as well, simply because it's the official one. Maxeto0910 (talk) 21:47, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
Donald Kettl
Unreal engine
- Unreal engine → Unreal Engine (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Draft:Vengeance Engine → Unreal Engine#Unreal Engine 2 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Unreal Engine (game engine) → Unreal Engine (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- UnrealEngine → Unreal Engine (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Unreal technology → Unreal Engine (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Unreal Engine Technology → Unreal Engine (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Unreal Engine technology → Unreal Engine (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Unrealscript → Unreal Engine#UnrealScript (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
we should probably delete most of the other ones at https://en.wikipedia.org/key/Special:WhatLinksHere?target=Unreal+Engine&namespace=&hidetrans=1&hidelinks=1
but I will open a rfd for them later — Preceding unsigned comment added by J2UDY7r00CRjH (talk • contribs) 17:41, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Tagged every single one of these redirects since they weren't tagged by the nom. CycloneYoris 22:18, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- @J2UDY7r00CRjH: Why? These all appear to be entirely typical redirects. Tollens (talk) 18:10, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- None of these redirects are used. "Unreal Engine Technology" is not a typical redirect. Neither is Draft:Vengeance Engine, which makes no sense at all. We should use WP:COMMONNAME, not Unreal Engine technology or Unreal Engine Technology. We should not use misspelled links links like "Unreal engine" or UnrealEngine. "Unreal Engine (game engine)" does not make any sense as there is no other unreal engine to disambiguate it with. It also leads to editors actually using this awful redirects. For example see: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mare_Nostrum_(video_game)&diff=prev&oldid=1235798234 which was using [[Unreal Engine technology#Unreal Engine 2.5|Unreal Engine 2.5]] instead of just [[Unreal Engine 2.5]](Unreal Engine 2.5). why should we support this kind of usage? What benefit is there to having all these inaccurate redirects? J2UDY7r00CRjH (talk) 18:21, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- Looking at WP:RFD#DELETE, some of these fall under "The redirect might cause confusion." Specifically Unreal Engine Technology, Unreal Engine technology and Unreal technology which are not WP:COMMONNAME and are not terms I have seen any RS or Unreal Engine itself use to describe Unreal Engine. Additionally Draft:Vengeance Engine is misleading at best as it is not a real engine. UnrealEngine is also misleading as one might think that is how it is spelled, and to a lesser extent Unreal engine as well. J2UDY7r00CRjH (talk) 18:28, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- Just as further proof that these redirects are confusing people, I found this wikilink in https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_banned_video_games_by_country&oldid=1235709794:
- >a court found that [[Silicon Knights]] had plagiarized [[Epic Games]]' proprietary [[Unreal Engine|Unreal engine]].
- If editors are purposefully changing Unreal Engine to Unreal engine (incorrect), then we should definitely not support that usage with a redirect as it will further this inaccurate usage. J2UDY7r00CRjH (talk) 19:11, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- Another example: https://en.wikipedia.org/key/X-Men_Origins:_Wolverine_(video_game)
- The game was developed primarily by [[Raven Software]] through the use of [[Unreal Engine#Unreal Engine 3|Unreal Engine technology]].
- permalink https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=X-Men_Origins:_Wolverine_(video_game)&oldid=1223802693
- I think these examples show that these links are confusing to editors and we should not use them as per commonname. J2UDY7r00CRjH (talk) 21:15, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- Looking at WP:RFD#DELETE, some of these fall under "The redirect might cause confusion." Specifically Unreal Engine Technology, Unreal Engine technology and Unreal technology which are not WP:COMMONNAME and are not terms I have seen any RS or Unreal Engine itself use to describe Unreal Engine. Additionally Draft:Vengeance Engine is misleading at best as it is not a real engine. UnrealEngine is also misleading as one might think that is how it is spelled, and to a lesser extent Unreal engine as well. J2UDY7r00CRjH (talk) 18:28, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- None of these redirects are used. "Unreal Engine Technology" is not a typical redirect. Neither is Draft:Vengeance Engine, which makes no sense at all. We should use WP:COMMONNAME, not Unreal Engine technology or Unreal Engine Technology. We should not use misspelled links links like "Unreal engine" or UnrealEngine. "Unreal Engine (game engine)" does not make any sense as there is no other unreal engine to disambiguate it with. It also leads to editors actually using this awful redirects. For example see: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mare_Nostrum_(video_game)&diff=prev&oldid=1235798234 which was using [[Unreal Engine technology#Unreal Engine 2.5|Unreal Engine 2.5]] instead of just [[Unreal Engine 2.5]](Unreal Engine 2.5). why should we support this kind of usage? What benefit is there to having all these inaccurate redirects? J2UDY7r00CRjH (talk) 18:21, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep UnrealEngine, Unreal engine, and Unrealscript. These are common mistakes in editing (WP:RKEEP point 2). They are also common mistakes or shortcuts in searching (point 3) and in navigating by typing URLs (which should be mentioned in point 3 but isn't). Jruderman (talk) 01:35, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: I want to emphasize that WP:RKEEP point 2 considers the prevention of red links to be a net benefit. J2UDY7r00CRjH, if you're concerned about the effects on typo longevity, I suggest categorizing the redirects, then working in other venues to leverage certain rcats such as
{{R from misspelling}}
for making encyclopedia-wide improvements. See e.g. this feature request and this archived bot request. Jruderman (talk) 01:35, 22 July 2024 (UTC) - Comment: Unrealscript and Draft:Vengeance Engine are actually redirects to sections of pages. I have updated the nomination above to show the full targets. Jruderman (talk) 01:35, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: On Unreal Engine (game engine), I added
{{R from unnecessary disambiguation}}
. There are over 30,000 such redirects, so I suspect this isn't a reason for deletion by itself. Jruderman (talk) 01:35, 22 July 2024 (UTC) - @J2UDY7r00CRjH: I'd encourage you to have a look at WP:RPURPOSE. You've made a pretty convincing argument for keeping several of these redirects here above. WP:CNAME applies to articles themselves, not redirects, and the fact that people are using several of these terms, even if they are incorrect, is reason to keep the redirects as they are useful, not to delete them. I see four groups in the list presented:
- Unreal engine, UnrealEngine, and Unrealscript are strong keeps. They are either alternative capitalizations or reasonable typos that will help in linking, and very much core reasons in WP:RPURPOSE.
- Unreal technology, Unreal Engine Technology, Unreal Engine technology are plausible search terms, and are good candidates to keep.
- Unreal Engine (game engine) is an unlikely search term given the paranthetical disambiguation, but I'm not sure we should delete it as per Jruderman's third comment. I'll withhold judgement here.
- Draft:Vengeance Engine should be deleted, it's a cross namespace redirect. It should be noted that the articlespace version is a redirect to Irrational Games. A Google search says that the Vengeance Engine is a derivative of UE2 that was created by Irrational. If for some reason we are keep it, I would suggest a retarget to the Unreal Engine 2 article specifically.
- I would suggest to the closer that a new RfD be held on Vengeance Engine to discuss if that redirect be retargeted to Unreal Engine#Unreal Engine 2 or to Unreal Engine 2 should the draftspace redirect be deleted as a result of this discussion. Then again, NOTBURO. Hamtechperson 02:25, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- This is my first time in the redirects forum and you're right, being a new contributor, I'm not familiar with a lot of the rules. In fact, I initially just blanked these pages and asked someone to delete the page in the comment history, which I now understand is not allowed. Reading these rules, I take issue with some of them. I wouldn't call any of these alternative capitalizations: they are typos. And I don't see why we should make redirects for every typo. That implies that every page should have a redirect with various capitalizations of the entry name. If nobody is using these redirects then I don't see a need for them to fix non existing typos. In any case I think it is better to have a redlink than have a typo because 1. someone will see the red link and fix it 2. Some people will see the blue link with a typo and think it is correct. This is in line with the reasoning given here: "The redirect might cause confusion." Also, I disagree that Unreal technology, Unreal Engine Technology, and Unreal Engine technology are plausible search terms. Looking at Google Trends, it doesn't seem anyone is using these search terms. I'm not aware of any such term being used by reliable sources or unreal itself or really anyone at all using it. I certainly don't see why we need a redirect for a misspelling of a possible search term for this page. J2UDY7r00CRjH (talk) 03:00, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- To get a sense of which variants are usually considered redirect-worthy and which aren't, you can check the examples in WP:RTYPO and WP:RCAPS. Jruderman (talk) 03:55, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- The line between
{{R from alternative capitalization}}
and{{R from incorrect capitalization}}
can be blurry sometimes. In "Epic Games' proprietary Unreal engine", perhaps the author is treating "Unreal" as a name and "engine" as a generic noun. But the distinction doesn't really matter at RfD because the reasons for having the redirect are similar: helping users reach the article they intend to reach. Jruderman (talk) 04:10, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- This is my first time in the redirects forum and you're right, being a new contributor, I'm not familiar with a lot of the rules. In fact, I initially just blanked these pages and asked someone to delete the page in the comment history, which I now understand is not allowed. Reading these rules, I take issue with some of them. I wouldn't call any of these alternative capitalizations: they are typos. And I don't see why we should make redirects for every typo. That implies that every page should have a redirect with various capitalizations of the entry name. If nobody is using these redirects then I don't see a need for them to fix non existing typos. In any case I think it is better to have a redlink than have a typo because 1. someone will see the red link and fix it 2. Some people will see the blue link with a typo and think it is correct. This is in line with the reasoning given here: "The redirect might cause confusion." Also, I disagree that Unreal technology, Unreal Engine Technology, and Unreal Engine technology are plausible search terms. Looking at Google Trends, it doesn't seem anyone is using these search terms. I'm not aware of any such term being used by reliable sources or unreal itself or really anyone at all using it. I certainly don't see why we need a redirect for a misspelling of a possible search term for this page. J2UDY7r00CRjH (talk) 03:00, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Meh on Draft:Vengeance Engine as drafts aren't indexed by search engines and it isn't in mainspace, don't care either way (side note: Vengeance Engine and Vengeance engine currently go different places which certainly shouldn't be the case), as well as Unreal Engine (game engine) as typically redirects from unnecessary disambiguation pages have a base title that could reasonably refer to more than one thing but the redirect certainly isn't harmful. Keep the rest as either alternative capitalizations or reasonable search terms. Tollens (talk) 04:29, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Good gods we have a mess with Vengeance Engine, don't we? Three redirects including the draftspace one, all of which go to different (and yet still plausible) targets. I think we need to have a separate discussion about how to clean it up, but I think I'll wait until this RfD is closed, at least as concerns the draftspace redirect. A read over the Vengeance engine target, Ghost Story Games, indicates that it's a continuation/successor to the Irrational Games target of Vengeance Engine, plus we have the section at Unreal Engine#Unreal Engine 2 and the split article Unreal Engine 2 all as candidates. Hamtechperson 17:41, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep all besides Draft:Vengeance Engine which is just a maintenance cleanup thing. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 12:42, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Draft:Vengeance Engine per WP:RDRAFT; though it was not moved, it was pointed to a section where it is/was covered. No benefit is derived from getting rid of it. Neutral on the rest. This seems headed towards trainwreck territory. — GodsyCONT) 06:33, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
Template:Footer Olympic Champions C-1 Slalom
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 July 29#Template:Footer Olympic Champions C-1 Slalom
Tax cuts for the rich
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 July 29#Tax cuts for the rich
Spend more money on public education
Roman Palestine (disambiguation)
Flesh engine
Sharp Willcom D4
- Sharp Willcom D4 → Ultra-mobile PC (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Article was blanked and redirected, but target does not seem to mention this. 1234qwer1234qwer4 15:17, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Revert and send to AfD per WP:BLAR. Thryduulf (talk) 18:04, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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- Create anchor for Sharp or Sharp Wilclcom D4 at Comparison of netbooks#Specifications, unlink and retarget. Jay 💬 15:30, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
Shadow Mario
Washington, Maryland
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 July 28#Washington, Maryland
"Fax (hair)" and "Fax (head hair)"
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 July 27#"Fax (hair)" and "Fax (head hair)"
Mario Circuit
Bolsover (borough)
- Bolsover (borough) → Bolsover District (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Delete, neither the current non-metropolitan district at Bolsover District nor the previous district Bolsover Urban District hold/have held borough status. Yes Google searches in quotes for "Bolsover Borough Council" will return results but the same is the case for "Braintree Borough Council" and "Harlow Borough Council". This is different to Chesterfield (borough) and Chesterfield Borough Council that go to Borough of Chesterfield that does have borough status along with the previous district Municipal Borough of Chesterfield. Its normal for districts that have borough status to have redirects from "Foo (district)" but not redirects for "Foo (borough)" when the district doesn't have borough status. Yes there are links to the redirect but they can be changed to the correct target and it appears to only have been at this title for a few weeks in 2004 when it was corrected and moved. Crouch, Swale (talk) 21:31, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- Simply the result of an error I made briefly over a little over 20 years ago. Seems entirely reasonable to delete. Morwen (talk) 00:10, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Given the internet hits for "Bolover borough" and "Borough of Bolsover" this is a common enough error to merit a {{R from incorrect name}} redirect. See e.g page 11 of this PDF where the local Conservative Party calls it "Borough of Bolsover". We educate people making this sort of mistake by taking them to the content they are looking for that explains the correct situation rather than making them jump through hoops to find it. Thryduulf (talk) 08:04, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as an attested error that someone might search. The existence of the redirect will correct them effectively enough. Fieari (talk) 00:14, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Guillermo Vilas: Settling the Score
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 July 27#Guillermo Vilas: Settling the Score
Bigflo & Oli: Hip Hop Frenzy
- Bigflo & Oli: Hip Hop Frenzy → Lists of Netflix original films (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not sure what to do about this one. The subject exists (per third party searches) and is linked at List of Netflix original films (2020) in the list of film released that year. But ... the fact that this title is a redirect and not an article seems to validate WP:REDYES deletion. In addition, the article for the group mentioned in the title of his redirect, Bigflo & Oli, seems to make no mention or reference of the subject of this redirect anywhere in that article. Steel1943 (talk) 21:35, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Jay 💬 17:02, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
Running with Sherman (film)
- Running with Sherman (film) → Lists of Netflix original films (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Yet another story which Netflix bought the rights in 2019 to create a film, but nothing came out of it since. The base title Running with Sherman is a redirect that targets Christopher McDougall#Works (after I retargeted it last month), the article about the author of the "Running with Sherman" story, but that article contains no information about a film adaptation of the "Running with Sherman" story. Steel1943 (talk) 21:28, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Jay 💬 17:04, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
Lady Business (film)
- Lady Business (film) → Lists of Netflix original films (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Seems this was a story which Netflix bought the rights in 2019 with the intent to make a film, but it does not seem as though the film ever went into production. Also, it seems the film was to star Brie Larson; online searches for the "Lady Business" turn up nothing at the present time 5 years later ... well, while also distinguishing that the "Lady Business" film is a subject separate from Unicorn Store. Steel1943 (talk) 20:41, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. If anyone else thinks this feels familiar, you're probably (like me) thinking of Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 11#Lady Business, which turns out to be unrelated, although if this is to become an article the parenthetical will not be needed. Thryduulf (talk) 11:02, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Jay 💬 17:12, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
VSTA
AlphaDeltaNationalFraternity
Return to the Palace
Pokemon generations 5
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 July 27#Pokemon generations 5
Misty Williams
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 July 28#Misty Williams
Brock Harrison
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 1#Brock Harrison
PKMN R
Cianwood Island
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 July 27#Cianwood Island
Cianwood City (Cianwood Island)
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 July 27#Cianwood City (Cianwood Island)
PKMN SS
HeartSilver and GoldSoul
Pokémon DuskGold and DawnSilver
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 July 28#Pokémon DuskGold and DawnSilver
Galar
200 (song)
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 July 28#200 (song)
M-Block
Pokémon incident
- Pokémon incident → Dennō Senshi Porygon (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
extremely vague. requires that "pokémon" and "incident" be defined in a way that somehow narrows it down to only this particular episode of the anime generation that also featured jynx and hypno, while excluding every other controversy the franchise has seen cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 16:42, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- should mention that i would favor retargeting it to an article or section of an article detailing most controversies, no such thing exists (yet). the closest i found was pokémon episodes removed from rotation, but even then, that's only for the anime cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 16:48, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as far too vague. When seeing the title I assumed it was some sort of (political) scandal or other real-world incident related to Pokémon in some way. A politician making a gaffe and exposing their ignorance while trying to appear to be a "man of the people" or something like that would have been my first guess. Thryduulf (talk) 17:30, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- isn't that the plot of swsh cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 17:33, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- I wouldn't have a clue! I've never watched, read or played Pokémon. Thryduulf (talk) 20:53, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- isn't that the plot of swsh cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 17:33, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - contrary to the above (and a whiny fan base) this is by far the most consequential incident related to the series. This actually ahead real world implications, that reliable sources wrote articles about. Sergecross73 msg me 23:54, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as WP:PTOPIC. This incident was/is overwhelmingly more impactful than any other. Fieari (talk) 00:12, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Any further thoughts?
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- Weak delete - It certainly was a "pokémon incident", probably the biggest one, but it doesn't really go by the name "pokémon incident". Googling "pokémon incident" does lead to lots of reference to this event, but also to other unrelated events. It could also reasonably relate to Pokémon Go to the polls, which is pretty much exactly the hypothetical poltician gaffe scenario that @Thryduulf: dreamt up (see this and this for more details). BugGhost🦗👻 12:05, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- Maybe a disambiguation between:
- But I'm not sure if there's enough traffic to Pokémon incident to warrant this disambiguation. BugGhost🦗👻 12:12, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- at this point, i'm gonna change my vote to a strong listify (preferrably with a different name), since there's also the 80 quadrillion times the franchise was accused of being satanic, and the 0 times it was accused of being satanic because of giratina cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 14:53, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- Weak delete per the ambiguity of this redirect caused by the existence of a list of incidents at Pokémon Go#Criticism and incidents. Not saying the current target is not notable, but it's not the only notable "incident" related to Pokémon. Steel1943 (talk) 15:37, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
Biographies of living persons
- Biographies of living persons → Biography (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This should be a CNR to WP:BLP. All of the 304 links to this redirect are in reference to the Wikipedia policy, rather than the Biography article. It seems unlikely that anyone searching for this would be looking for the encyclopedic article, especially considering the term is never mentioned. It was retarted to Biography from a CNR in 2009. C F A 💬 18:34, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: I suppose this could also be retargeted to an encyclopedia article about Wikipedia, like Wikipedia#Policies_and_content, Vandalism on Wikipedia, or List of Wikipedia controversies (Wikipedia Seigenthaler biography incident), though a project redirect would make the most sense in my eyes. C F A 💬 18:47, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget (or add encyclopaedic content) This is a very high profile policy that does get referenced frequently off-site so I'm surprised we don't have some encyclopaedic content about it that could host a hatnote to the policy, although finding sources will be tricky due to the large number of Wikipedia mirrors and many other sites that have policies/guidelines with the same title. If we don't have encyclopaedic content then a cross-namespace redirect is the way to go - this is something that needs to be very easy to find, particularly by prospective editors and article subjects who shouldn't have to learn about namespaces first. Thryduulf (talk) 20:50, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- I was wondering if there would be enough coverage to write a separate article on the policy. I found it surprising that even the Policies and content section in the main Wikipedia article only briefly mentioned the policy (in reference to the Wikipedia Seigenthaler biography incident). If someone is willing to do that and they can find enough coverage, then that (with a hatnote) would be my preferred outcome over retargeting. C F A 💬 21:09, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- Its not really a Wikipedia specific term but all Google results are for the policy. Maybe it should be kept as with a link on the DAB page to the BLP policy as well as the current MOS page. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:23, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- That's what I was considering doing before listing it here, but I decided against it. Do you really think anyone typing "Biographies of living persons" into the search bar is looking for Biography? It is obviously directly referencing the policy and the term isn't even mentioned in the article. C F A 💬 03:48, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete promotes incorrect linkage, and making a CNR would not be for readership content. -- 65.92.247.96 (talk) 03:46, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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- Delete per WP:RETURNTORED. There's no way BLP isn't notable and we should really have some encyclopedic content about it. Nickps (talk) 19:39, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete unless an alternative article space target is found. Biographies are about people, but not all biographies are about living people. (And, morbidly enough, all biographies in existence today will eventually all not be about living people...) Steel1943 (talk) 22:56, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I notified WT:WPWP of this discussion Nickps (talk) 22:42, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- I searched around a bit, and I do not think there is enough in the way of external sources covering this to support an article. Perhaps an article could be written on Wikipedia policies and guidelines, with a section on BLP. BD2412 T 23:04, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. There's no justification for a WP:CNR: "most newly created cross-namespace redirects from the main (article) namespace to the Wikipedia (project) namespace should be deleted, ... very old ones might retain their value for extra-Wikipedia links" (not inter-Wikipedia links). Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 10:00, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- Note the key word there is "most" not "all" - there are exceptions and this is one of them per my comments above. Thryduulf (talk) 11:18, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
Skeltal
that's the "doot" meme. doesn't seem like a plausible misspelling of "skeletal" otherwise, as e is just close enough to t where it'd be hard to forget to type one letter cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 18:09, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: per WP:CHEAP. C F A 💬 19:02, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- Skeltal is a variant name of a popular internet meme [37]. Our article on skeleton lack information about this meme, neither do any other article. The intro of WP:REDIRECT, a guideline says
Redirects are used to help people arrive more quickly at the page they want to read
. A generic article about skeletons are not what readers would want to see when they are searching about a meme. Ca 05:41, 12 July 2024 (UTC)- It seems pretty obscure. I doubt there's enough coverage to write an article on it, but I suppose someone could try. I imagine most people searching "Skeltal" on Wikipedia are looking for "Skeletal," which is also a redirect to Skeleton. C F A 💬 15:01, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- Skeltal is a variant name of a popular internet meme [37]. Our article on skeleton lack information about this meme, neither do any other article. The intro of WP:REDIRECT, a guideline says
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris 10:34, 19 July 2024 (UTC)- Keep - it's a phonetic mispelling of "skeletal" that's only one letter removed. No harm in keeping it. BugGhost🦗👻 17:20, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
One PIece
that's an uppercase i cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 17:54, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: per WP:CHEAP. C F A 💬 19:02, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Implausible misspelling. Our search function automatically handles different capitalizations. I tend to agree that effort of listing redirects with minor errors can be used elsewhere, but we might as well delete them as they are listed to reduce maintance work for useless redirects. Ca 05:47, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- WEak keep per sticky shift key typo error, a very plausible sort of error you see in online forums all the time. -- 65.92.247.96 (talk) 08:40, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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- Delete. Highly unlikely someone is going to capitalize the "i" in "Piece" but not the "n" in "One". In addition, this redirect should not be linked in articles. Also, if this redirect is deleted, trying to search "One PIece" in Wikipedia's search function will return One Piece. Deletion of this redirect seems to have more benefits than harm. Steel1943 (talk) 22:53, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per Steel. This is not a redirect from a page move from a typo. We don't know what made Amidamaru89 create this redirect in 2007, but it had a good run for an year in 2002-23. Jay 💬 15:50, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
Suiattle tribe
Heartless Angel
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 July 27#Heartless Angel
Magical underwear
User:Carlinal/Favorite quality articles
Kit 2
Stun ray
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 July 25#Stun ray
Jerry Temporary
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 July 25#Jerry Temporary
VF2
Andy youre a star
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 July 25#Andy youre a star
Distribution Center Management System
Bigrigs
Super Smash Bros. 6
- Super Smash Bros. 6 → Super Smash Bros. Ultimate (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- SSB 6 → Super Smash Bros. Ultimate (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- SSB6 → Super Smash Bros. Ultimate (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned in the target. No information about a video game named Super Smash Bros. 6 exists in the target article or in Super Smash Bros. Mia Mahey (talk) 22:30, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- delete as wrong. ultimate is the 5st installment cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 22:45, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Cogsan see below. Some call it the sixth. Not arguing that's correct, but it's plausible at least. Sergecross73 msg me 23:04, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- that's if you ignore the fact that smash for 3ds and that other console are both commonly referred to as "sm4sh", and clumped together as two different flavors of the same installment by pretty much everyone less pedantic than me. ironically, nintendo considers them to be separate, but even the article reduces that to note c, accompanied by "but who cares about those guys, most sources say they're both smash 4" cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:25, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- None of that changes that its a plausible search term, with sourcing and notes to clear up confusion. Again, I'm not saying its the sixth title. I'm not arguing anyone should think that. I'm saying its a plausible redirect because some people think that, and some sources outline it. Sergecross73 msg me 13:19, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- that's if you ignore the fact that smash for 3ds and that other console are both commonly referred to as "sm4sh", and clumped together as two different flavors of the same installment by pretty much everyone less pedantic than me. ironically, nintendo considers them to be separate, but even the article reduces that to note c, accompanied by "but who cares about those guys, most sources say they're both smash 4" cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:25, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Cogsan see below. Some call it the sixth. Not arguing that's correct, but it's plausible at least. Sergecross73 msg me 23:04, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - it is the sixth entry in the Smash Bros if you consider the 3DS and Wii versions separate games, which some developers/sources do. Sergecross73 msg me 23:02, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- The target does not state that it is the sixth entry in the series instead of the fifth. This redirect will be misleading when a sixth Super Smash Bros. game is released. Mia Mahey (talk) 23:27, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- A reliably sourced mention of how some consider it the sixth entry could be very easily implemented. Additionally, there's no need to right now future-proof the article for a future game that hasn't even been announced to exist yet. Sergecross73 msg me 23:51, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- People searching for Super Smash Bros. 6 are most likely looking for information on a successor of Super Smash Bros. Ultimate. No information on such game exists in the target article, or for that matter, anywhere on Wikipedia, so the redirect is harmful and should be deleted per WP:COSTLY. Mia Mahey (talk) 00:57, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- I strongly disagree with that notion. Why would people be searching for an unannounced game that currently isn't know to exist with this search term? And if someone was knowledgeable enough to use a relatively rare search term like "Smash Bros 6" in a search bar, they'd be knowledgeable enough to understand what Smash Bros Ultimate is. So your confusion scenario feels rather far fetched to me, I don't know what sort of person this would apply to. Doubly so since I've maintained the Ultimate page since its inception and thus has not been a common issue. Sergecross73 msg me 02:34, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Usually only major video games in a series are numbered, and Super Smash Bros. Ultimate is only the fifth major Super Smash Bros. game. If Super Smash Bros. 6 redirects to Super Smash Bros. Ultimate, on the basis of the 3DS and Wii U releases being treated as separate games, I think we should probably also have Mario Kart 9 redirect to Mario Kart 8#Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, which we don't and we shouldn't. Mia Mahey (talk) 04:51, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- by that logic, which one would be 5 anyway? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 13:11, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- This is irrelevant. There's never been any discussion or consensus that Mario Kart is handling it correctly either, so it's no standard to aspire to. It's just an WP:OSE-violating comparison. Sergecross73 msg me 13:17, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Usually only major video games in a series are numbered, and Super Smash Bros. Ultimate is only the fifth major Super Smash Bros. game. If Super Smash Bros. 6 redirects to Super Smash Bros. Ultimate, on the basis of the 3DS and Wii U releases being treated as separate games, I think we should probably also have Mario Kart 9 redirect to Mario Kart 8#Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, which we don't and we shouldn't. Mia Mahey (talk) 04:51, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- I strongly disagree with that notion. Why would people be searching for an unannounced game that currently isn't know to exist with this search term? And if someone was knowledgeable enough to use a relatively rare search term like "Smash Bros 6" in a search bar, they'd be knowledgeable enough to understand what Smash Bros Ultimate is. So your confusion scenario feels rather far fetched to me, I don't know what sort of person this would apply to. Doubly so since I've maintained the Ultimate page since its inception and thus has not been a common issue. Sergecross73 msg me 02:34, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- People searching for Super Smash Bros. 6 are most likely looking for information on a successor of Super Smash Bros. Ultimate. No information on such game exists in the target article, or for that matter, anywhere on Wikipedia, so the redirect is harmful and should be deleted per WP:COSTLY. Mia Mahey (talk) 00:57, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- A reliably sourced mention of how some consider it the sixth entry could be very easily implemented. Additionally, there's no need to right now future-proof the article for a future game that hasn't even been announced to exist yet. Sergecross73 msg me 23:51, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- The target does not state that it is the sixth entry in the series instead of the fifth. This redirect will be misleading when a sixth Super Smash Bros. game is released. Mia Mahey (talk) 23:27, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Super Smash Bros for 3DS and Super Smash Bros for Wii U are both Smash 4, and neither are Smash 5. They did release on separate days, with Wii U being released after 3DS, but they were released literally two months apart, were clearly developed together, and they have several methods of transferring data between the two platforms; it's highly probable that they only released separately due to delays. They also share a Wikipedia page, shared advertising space, pretty much everywhere you go they're talked about as one unit instead of two separate games-- much like, for example, Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Blue Rescue Team and Red Rescue Team, another instance of one game with two names on two different Nintendo consoles with different capabilities. (If you throw out the 'two different consoles' thing, pretty much any first-of-the-gen Pokemon game in the history of ever, from Pokemon Red and Blue all the way to Pokémon Scarlet and Violet are examples of this in action. (Like, what, are you saying that Pokémon Emerald is Pokemon 13 or something???) Because of this, Smash Ultimate is clearly Smash 5, and thus, Smash 6 would logically be the next entry of the series after Smash Ultimate, a game that does not exist. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 18:45, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- no, let's make it worse
- red + green (jp) > blue (jp) > stadium (jp) > yellow > red + blue (not jp) > hey you, pikachu > tcg (game boy) > snap > pinball > "stadium" (actually stadium 2) > gold + silver > dance! pikachu > puzzle challenge > puzzle league > "stadium 2" (actually stadium gold and silver) > crystal > pikachu's great surfing adventure > tcg 2 > crayon kids > party mini > zany cards > pinball mini > puzzle collection > tetris > breeder mini (wait what) > puzzle collection vol. 2 > race mini > catch the numbers > pichu bros. mini > togepi's great adventure > ruby + sapphire > box r&s > channel > pinball r&s > channel > pinball r&s > some hiragana and katakana education game > colosseum > firered + leafgreen > pico for everyone > emerald
- thus, emerald is the 46nd installment in the pokémon franchise, or the 14st mainline installment cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:20, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Is that jan Misali reference I'm seeing? :D Ca 01:09, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- a what cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:22, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- I'm getting into WP:NOTFORUM territory, but they published a video exploring a similar question but for Super Mario mainline series. Ca 06:38, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- oh, that one. my dumb brain forgot it wasn't from summoning salt. whoops cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 17:35, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- I'm getting into WP:NOTFORUM territory, but they published a video exploring a similar question but for Super Mario mainline series. Ca 06:38, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- a what cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:22, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- Again, you're both arguing what's "correct" instead of arguing what's plausible. Whether it's the correct numbering is irrelevant. Some people (not me) believe it to be true, and the alternative is a game that doesn't even exist. We don't need to future proof for scenarios that may not ever even happen. It can be easily and quickly fixed as things potentially change someday. Sergecross73 msg me 00:55, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Is that jan Misali reference I'm seeing? :D Ca 01:09, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to Super Smash Bros.#2015–2021: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate - only mention of "Smash Bros. 6" on Wikipedia is from that article, talking about a Bandai Namco recruitment page stating:
The recruitment page consisted of a listing for programmers for "Smash Bros. 6", which was expected to be released in 2015 for both the Wii U and Nintendo 3DS"
, which is likely why the redirect exists in the first place. It being mentioned there is just a happy coincidence though - the main reason why I am saying it should go to Super Smash Bros.#2015–2021: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate rather than Super Smash Bros. Ultimate directly is because the lengthy discussions above shows that there is ambiguity that SB6 would refer to Ultimate or some future/non-existent game, and Super Smash Bros.#2015–2021: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate is directly above a "Future" section, so this redirect would cover both bases. As an aside, I don't think the above discussions need to be continued - regardless of anyone's views, I think the outcome is obvious that there's no clear primary topic - we now just need to find the best way of disambiguating. BugGhost🪲👻 08:43, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
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- while this discussion goes nowhere, i should note ssb6 and ssb 6 also exist, and could be added here cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 19:05, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete the SSB redirects, Keep "Super Smash Bros. 6". From the above discussion, it appears that "Smash Bros. 6" has been used to refer to "Ultimate", and it's a plausible search term. The fact that it's wrong shouldn't be relevant - otherwise, we'd need to delete Me109. Tevildo (talk) 17:29, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Super Smash Bros. without a section redirect. Quite frankly, anything after the "4" designation is up for debate since some people consider the Wii U and 3DS versions "4" collectively, but others consider them "4" and "5" collectively. Let the readers try to figure out what the heck they are trying to find if searching these terms because we are not mind readers. Steel1943 (talk) 00:13, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- Would also support this BugGhost🦗👻 08:38, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
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2025 FIVB Men's Volleyball Nations League
- 2025 FIVB Men's Volleyball Nations League → FIVB Men's Volleyball Nations League (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mentioned at the target page and per WP:FUTURE. 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂 • [𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺] 04:56, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
Delete per nom. Better be recreated as an future article if reliable sources exist.Withdrawn. Ahri Boy (talk) 05:50, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - A draft is now pending review. Robert McClenon (talk) 04:12, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Refine to FIVB Men's Volleyball Nations League#Reform from 2025 while we wait for the draft to be approved. Jay 💬 14:24, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
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SportAccord
- SportAccord → Global Association of International Sports Federations (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Removal/deletion of current redirect as it creates misleading impression. The redirect page reflects the name of a separate organization with its own initiatives whereas the target page reflects another organization that is now dissolved. In the current target page there's even a proposal on the Talk page from someone addressing this confusion. There should be a separate page and information about the redirect page of SportAccord JennyAnderson 2 (talk) 14:38, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hard to say, maybe we can just rename that GAISF article again to be SportAccord? Notified both WP:SPORTS and WP:Switzerland. Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 03:22, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- It is hard, indeed. But I feel there would be value to having a separate SportAccord page as these are entirely different entities and it's tricky to combine them into one article efficiently as they have different structures, activities, missions. JennyAnderson 2 (talk) 09:27, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Indeed, that's why that SportAccord has its own Wikidata item just because of entirely different entities, but then it meets own notability for separating? Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 00:46, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- It is hard, indeed. But I feel there would be value to having a separate SportAccord page as these are entirely different entities and it's tricky to combine them into one article efficiently as they have different structures, activities, missions. JennyAnderson 2 (talk) 09:27, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep since it is mentioned at the target, so I honestly see no reason for deletion. This is clearly a plausible redirect, and a valid {{R from move}}. CycloneYoris 21:33, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 23:42, 5 July 2024 (UTC)- Delete Even though it seems there's a connection between the two pages and organizations, SportAccord seems to have very different initiatives and a strong user following from people who attend the SportAccord events so there will be a benefit to distinguishing clearly the two organizations.
- Thomson.janet101 (talk) 10:49, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment: I did some little digging into this.
- The website mentioned in GAISF infobox https://gaisf.sport currently redirects to https://sportaccord.sport However it only has links to some summits and does not mention of any list of member federations.
- Another website https://gaisf.org which is linked from some member federations' website (such as https://www.ilsf.org/about/recognition/gaisf/) says on its homepage "DISSOLUTION OF GAISF APPROVED AT EXTRAORDINARY GENERAL ASSEMBLY, RECORD ATTENDANCE OF MEMBERS, NEXT STEPS CLARIFIED". Opening the link takes us to [38] which explains the development in details including the role of SportAccord. Also, its history page says the following:
- 2003: GAISF in collaboration with the Association of Summer and Winter Olympic International Federations (ASOIF and AIOWF) launch the first SportAccord International Convention to answer a need from the IF’s which were looking to have a “one stop shop”, where they could all hold their annual meetings, be encouraged to network and share their knowledge.
- 2017: SportAccord is renamed GAISF (Global Association of International Sports Federations)
- 2022: Members approve dissolution of GAISF at Extraordinary General Assembly
- Honestly, I cannot construct a coherent history from this. If GAISF "launched" SportAccord, how did the latter also become "GAISF". Were there two bodies by the name of GAISF since 2017? If SportAccord was already remnamed in 2017, what is the SportAccord that functions currently? If someone knows more about this, it would be easier to make a decision. Thanks! —CX Zoom[he/him] 20:04, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- @CX Zoom Indeed, I sent an email to SportAccord's staff to clarify their details of member structure, maybe less possible to wait for their reply. Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 02:58, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Reply: Good point! I also did some digging and found a very helpful article that explains this confusion: [39]https://www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1049005/sportaccord-changes-name-to-global-association-of-international-sports-federations
- A quote from this link:
- "Adopting the Global Association of International Sports Federations name better represents the nature of the organisation and makes a clear distinction from the SportAccord Convention and any other commercial activities carried out under and on behalf of SportAccord/GAISF," GAISF said in a statement.
- Basically I think this shows why this current redirect is not accurate and SportAccord needs its own Wikipedia article - GAISF has always been a separate organization (which is now dissolved and doesn't exist) , whereas SportAccord Convention (now known as just SportAccord) is a separate thing too - a popular annual event with editions for over 20 years now. JennyAnderson 2 (talk) 15:04, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Given such response, I support re-write it as a sane article, if the potential contents meet the notability. Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 00:35, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Liuxinyu970226: Did you get any email response? —CX Zoom[he/him] 18:02, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- @CX Zoom Still nothing. Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 06:29, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Liuxinyu970226: Did you get any email response? —CX Zoom[he/him] 18:02, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
metal age
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Grand Duke of Hum redirects
- Sandalj Hranić, Grand Duke of Hum → Sandalj Hranić (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Vlatko Vukovic, Grand Duke of Hum → Vlatko Vuković (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Vlatko Vuković, Grand Duke of Hum → Vlatko Vuković (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Extension to bio's name in the article tile is misnomer in form of implausible noble title. ౪ Santa ౪ 01:59, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - Article leads specify that they are Grand Dukes (of Bosnia), and have holdings in Hum... heck, Vlatko is specified to be a Duke of Hum. Seems plausible to me that someone would mash the two facts together when searching for this person. A redirect doesn't have to be accurate, and mistakes and misunderstandings are perfectly acceptable reasons to have a redirect. The target is also unambiguous here. Doesn't really matter if there actually is a "Grand Duke" title for Hum or not. Fieari (talk) 23:27, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
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- A cursory Google Books search for "grand duke of hum" and "veliki vojvoda humski" don't turn up these people, but it does turn up some other people, Stjepan Vukčić Kosača, Miroslav, Vojislav. Santasa99 what is the actual significance of this title, if any? --Joy (talk) 23:03, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- Hi, guys! Duke of Hum exists as a title, Grand Duke of Hum does not/did not, and there is very clear record about every known/recorded local nobleman and how he used to title himself - so no mystery there. In case of Vlatko Vuković and Sandalj Hranić they did not use title Duke of Hum either, they always signed themselves or were mentioned in charters as Grand Duke of Bosnia only. Many other local noblemen, even of lesser status than Vuković, Hranić, and later Vukčić (all members of Kosača clan) wore the Duke of Hum title - such as Sankovićs, Nikolićs, Vlatkovićs, etc. - simply there was no such title as Grand Duke of Hum, there was only Grand Duke of Bosnia as a title. Of all Kosača members, only Stjepan Vukčić wore both titles, the Duke of Hum and Grand Duke of Bosnia, and also Knez of Drina and of Primorje, and he almost always used full title. There was also nobility from earlier periods, but as far as I know nobility in pre-Bosnian medieval state era mostly wore title of knez (knyaz/prince) and župan. In short, title Grand Duke of Hum never existed. ౪ Santa ౪ 00:17, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry, I should have said from Early Middle Ages instead of pre-Bosnian state. ౪ Santa ౪ 00:24, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- You can see every single recorded title in Konkordancijski rjecnik cirilskih povelja srednjovjekovne Bosne. ౪ Santa ౪ 00:51, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- Hi, guys! Duke of Hum exists as a title, Grand Duke of Hum does not/did not, and there is very clear record about every known/recorded local nobleman and how he used to title himself - so no mystery there. In case of Vlatko Vuković and Sandalj Hranić they did not use title Duke of Hum either, they always signed themselves or were mentioned in charters as Grand Duke of Bosnia only. Many other local noblemen, even of lesser status than Vuković, Hranić, and later Vukčić (all members of Kosača clan) wore the Duke of Hum title - such as Sankovićs, Nikolićs, Vlatkovićs, etc. - simply there was no such title as Grand Duke of Hum, there was only Grand Duke of Bosnia as a title. Of all Kosača members, only Stjepan Vukčić wore both titles, the Duke of Hum and Grand Duke of Bosnia, and also Knez of Drina and of Primorje, and he almost always used full title. There was also nobility from earlier periods, but as far as I know nobility in pre-Bosnian medieval state era mostly wore title of knez (knyaz/prince) and župan. In short, title Grand Duke of Hum never existed. ౪ Santa ౪ 00:17, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 14:57, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
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Double dual
- Double dual → Dual space#Injection into the double-dual (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Bidual → Strong dual space#Bidual (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
These should probably point at the same target. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:20, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- These are similar, but there's an important difference: the double dual is purely algebraic and completely general (basic linear algebra), while the bidual requires a topology and is much more specific, namely in functional analysis. They should reference and linked to each other as related and confusingly similar, but distinct.
- —Nils von Barth (nbarth) (talk) 18:27, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. It seems that "bidual" and "double dual" are used synonymously, although I have never heard of "double dual". However, there are two notions of biduals corresponding to two notions of duals: the algebraic dual formed by the linear forms and the topological dual formed by the continuous linear forms. So, I suggest to transform Bidual into a dab page with two entries and to redirect Double dual there. The entries could be labeled "in linear algebra" (for the present target of bidual) and "of a topological vector space" (for the present target of double dual). D.Lazard (talk) 18:53, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- Note that these terms can occur in many notions of duality, see e.g. also Dual_cone_and_polar_cone#Properties. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:49, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- This is a further reason fora dab page. D.Lazard (talk) 20:19, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- A disambiguation page seems in order, given the multiple meanings of "double dual". I've drafted one at [40], linking to Bidual, and added a link from (the target of) Bidual back to Double dual at [41]. WDYT?
- I've heard the term "Double dual" used widely in linear algebra, group theory, etc., but this is the first I've heard of "Bidual", and it seems specific to the Topological Vector Spaces (though used specifically for normed spaces, Locally convex topological vector space, etc.). A quick check of Wikipedia and Google agrees.
- If someone more familiar with biduals wants to expand that to a dab too, no objections, but given the distinct uses, "double dual" and "bidual" aren't generally used synonymously and shouldn't be merged, despite the similar meaning ("dual of dual, in some context"). Notably algebraic duals or Pontryagin duality don't generally use the term "bidual".
- —Nils von Barth (nbarth) (talk) 05:27, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- At the very least "bidual" is still ambiguous between a subset of the meanings of "double dual". 1234qwer1234qwer4 14:41, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- This is a further reason fora dab page. D.Lazard (talk) 20:19, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- I’ve now drafted a dab at Bidual too, linking to the Topological Vector Space uses.
- —Nils von Barth (nbarth) (talk) 21:39, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Note that these terms can occur in many notions of duality, see e.g. also Dual_cone_and_polar_cone#Properties. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:49, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Instead of a relist, I was looking to close this. @1234qwer1234qwer4 and D.Lazard: what do you think of the two drafted disambiguation pages? Jay 💬 11:30, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- They seem fine if one takes only into account the links that have been provided before. However, none of the drafts link to Duality (mathematics)#Dual objects, were a general concept is defined, called there bidual, that includes as special instances all examples given in the two drafts. I do not know how to link it in either dab page without increasing confusion. So, I remains convinced that the best solution is to merge the dab pages with a primary meaning linking to Duality (mathematics)#Dual object. Again it seems that this is the best way to solve the terminology problem that the general concept called bidual has its most elementary instances called double dual. D.Lazard (talk) 13:22, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Sounds like there are two questions: whether to have a DAB page or a page section, and whether to have separate pages/sections for the two terms. If using DAB, it seems clearer to have separate ones, given different uses. However, given that this is a simple definition, best is probably to link both to a section that says "dual of dual, called bidual/double dual, examples", rather than DABs.
- Some text at Duality (mathematics) seems in order anyways; I'll try drafting something.
- —Nils von Barth (nbarth) (talk) 02:05, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- They seem fine if one takes only into account the links that have been provided before. However, none of the drafts link to Duality (mathematics)#Dual objects, were a general concept is defined, called there bidual, that includes as special instances all examples given in the two drafts. I do not know how to link it in either dab page without increasing confusion. So, I remains convinced that the best solution is to merge the dab pages with a primary meaning linking to Duality (mathematics)#Dual object. Again it seems that this is the best way to solve the terminology problem that the general concept called bidual has its most elementary instances called double dual. D.Lazard (talk) 13:22, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
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